Content Post Idle Thoughts: The "why do I feel so bad about a 23 pt. victory" edition.

[DaBruinz]

Haven’t seen snap counts, but did Barmore even play yesterday? I saw he was active, but never heard his name mentioned as a play maker?

Barmore only saw 33 defensive snap.. And he was triple-teamed on the Judon sack of Tannehill. Just because you didn't hear his name doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

 

[Bill Lee]

Guess I'm in a chatty mood and in love with the board's multi-quote feature today...

Seems relevant to point out that the difference was only 3 points at the half, and our D held TEN scoreless in the second half.

TEN got their 13 in the first half, nothing the rest of the way (!) and we got 2 TD and 2 FG in the second half.

Personally, I thought the 2nd half would be a lot like the 1st, low scoring and tight.

Because of that, I wasn't really relaxed till after the 2nd TD in the 2nd half with 4 minutes left in the game.

Stevenson is a far better pure runner than Harris, would love to see Stevenson more when we go heavy run

Agree. I guess the team is still a bit less confident in Stevenson in terms of pass protection and ball security, but hopefully he keeps earning playing time.

I am, to be honnest, not really looking forward to meet the Titans again in January with healthy Henry and AJ Brown, offense has to score TD on each drive and win out by outscouring them

Yeah, we are meeting them at a good time for us. They also play in an easy division. We will run into them again, IMO.

One, yesterday was a return to the 2-4 team's poor fundamentals - tackling and angles were as horrible as many have indicated. Lots of arm tackle tries and being out of position resorting to diving attempts.

Indeed. The whole idea is to contain their running game. Giving up long runs ending with TDs due to poor tackling will not end well.

t was almost by design because I think Belichick believed Tennessee could gash them all day long but it wouldn't kill the Patriots.

See above -- it works well as long as you can contain them, and you can score on their D faster than they can score on your O.

Tanny throwing to Hollister and Firkser? Not exactly scary!

True, but again, they spent a lot of draft capital on their OL, they were built for ground and pound.

I heard someone say it best. The fact that Jones is so accurate, his misses seem magnified in people's minds. Some of his off passes were bad like missing a wide open Henry, but overall he wasn't awful.

Yes, for awful, see Cam's stats from yesterday.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think the Pats will have around 48M next year, but have quite a number of FA as well, starting with JC.Jackson, Meyers, McCourty, Brown, Phillips, Hightower, White, etc. there are some players I would love to keep which will cost some money, but regarding a well needed NT, there are not so many FA available, I would go via Draft and go after Davis as he is a monster in the IDL and incredibly fast for a NT

Jakobi Meyers is a restricted free agent. And JC Jackson is getting the Franchise tag if a long term deal isn't done.

Not sure where you get that the Pats will have $48M next year. Unless the NFL has a windfall season, the league and NFLPA already agreed on a 208.2M cap for 2022. That gives the Pats only 22M in cap space. They're likely going to push money into 2023 and beyond because the cap is expected to jump significantly in 2023 due to the new TV Contracts.

Henry, Judon,, Jonnu and Mills are likely candidates for the Salary to Signing bonus conversion to free up space.

Extensions for Jonathan Jones, Wynn and Mason would also free up cap space.

 

[DaBruinz]

Where did you get that figure? Overthecap says $26 million:

New England Patriots Salary Cap | Over the Cap

New England Patriots salary cap, contracts, bonus money, dead money, and cap savings for every player

overthecap.com

Just a side note.. I believe that Dmac's cap number will accelerate because of the void years so it should be the full 6M. However, I have messaged @Miguel for confirmation.. If that is the case, the Pats would only have $22M, not $26. But, as I mentioned above, they could free up a lot of space.

 

[DaBruinz]

yeah not sure about it, because they say the salary cap will be 186M but the projection for 2022 is 208M and I think it will be more likely closer to the 208M than to the 186M, this year was a fluke because of the Covid season else we would be above 200M, so guess the league tries to catch up now and BB was calculating it in already during this years FA when he signed all of those free agents

NFL, NFLPA agree to $208.2M salary cap ceiling for 2022 season

The NFL and the NFLPA on Wednesday agreed to a $208.2 million salary cap ceiling for the 2022 season, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported.

www.nfl.com

Not sure what you are looking at, but for the 2022 season, OTC is using the 208.2, Top 51 AND the carryover already.. That's how they are getting the 26M in free cap space..

 

[WaterfallJumper]

That opening paragraph was pure poetry, @patfanken

I am a lot more sanguine about the win than you seem to be, however. It seemed like we were allowing them to run, and the only problem with the final total yardage was some sloppy tackling and uncalled holds. I don't think it's a given that Taylor runs all over us in the Indy matchup.

I go back and forth on what to expect against the Bills. I think we'll either get into a shootout, or win a grind-it-out kind of game. Regardless, I'm feeling confident than we win the division, and maybe even the conference.

 

[DaBruinz]

OTC says the 22 liabilities are 186million and the cap space is 26million, so that would give a 2002 cap number of 212million. In other words, the increase in the cap is already built in. (How I miss not having @Miguel on Patsfans!)

@Miguel is still here, though infrequently.. When you tag him, though, he gets a notification and almost always pops in to see why.

 

[Steve102]

By posting something from noted football philosopher Davon Godchaux when asked about giving up those 270 yards...

Thanks for this reminder. I was kinda concerned about the amount of rushing that Tennessee was able to do.

 

[reflexblue]

I was waiting breathlessly for this thread for Ken to explain why the pats couldn't stop the tits running game. Its seems even he was at a loss.

 

[masterbouncer]

Not sure what you are looking at, but for the 2022 season, OTC is using the 208.2, Top 51 AND the carryover already.. That's how they are getting the 26M in free cap space..

Yep you're right, they only have 20 something right now for next year, I mixed it up there

 

[Bill Lee]

I was waiting breathlessly for this thread for Ken to explain why the pats couldn't stop the tits running game. Its seems even he was at a loss.

It took them a while to get a feel for the game.

TEN did not score in the 2nd half, we scored 20.

 

[DaBruinz]

Between them Godchaux, Davis, Guy, Barmore and Wise had 176 snaps, which means that 3 of them will have been on the field per snap, on average. That doesn't look "light" to me. As for the idea of it being a sensible plan to stop ... Tanny throwing to Hollister and Firkser? Not exactly scary!

Wise plays DE/EDGE almost completely. Your interior rotation is Godchaux, Barmore, Guy, with a smattering of Davis. There were 60 defensive snaps. There was 149 snaps between the 4 of them.. That means there was only 29 snaps where there was more than 2 of them on the field. That's going LIGHT when you consider they spent most of the time in Nickel and Dime packages.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yep you're right, they only have 20 something right now for next year, I mixed it up there

Happens to the best of us.. @Miguel has corrected me on more than a few occasions.. And he used to keep a list on his Patscap website of all teh people who had sent in things to help him.

 

[reflexblue]

It took them a while to get a feel for the game.

TEN did not score in the 2nd half, we scored 20.

I use to Tape every game and watch it multiple times, so i'm going off my foggy memory. From what i do remember the titans still ran the ball well in the second half. They moved away from running when they started fall way behind.

 

[maust]

Thanks for this reminder. I was kinda concerned about the amount of rushing that Tennessee was able to do.

You're welcome

 

[captain stone]

Well.... then doesnt that mean they did a bad job?

Yes...Yes it does... We STILL need another/better Wide Body at DT.

Some of their alignments didn't help them either, e.g.: Barmore being the Only DT on the field during the Titties' TD run at the end of the first half... I mean, WTF?!?

On the other side of the LOS, No FB = No Gain... and it's beyond obvious now that the Rham >>> the Omen... Start the rookie, Bill.

 

[captain stone]

They knew they would run all day because we played a scheme that encouraged them to run.

Why in the world would Bill/Mayo/Stevie play a scheme to encourage the Titties to run, when all they had going for them was the run? That would be flat-out Stupid.

Result: 2 drives with more than 2 first downs, 13 points and 7 on a fluke play.
No they did a very good job.

No they did NOT do a "very good" job...at all.

 

[captain stone]

I tried to watch for Barmore as much as possible. Admittedly I did not see him as much as I thought I would but.....I did see 4 plays in particular...

One he almost got to the QB and just missed a sack
One he was locked onto an OL and pushing him backwards (good for a rookie against a top NFL lineman ?)
One was partly coming off his man and assisting to make a stop on a running play (late on in the game)
One was reaching up to bat a ball down but was unsuccessful

So, I think his snaps were down on "normal" but he still seemed to contribute well when on the field. I am sure some other posters with better knowledge and younger eyes may have a different take.

He was also the Only DT on the field during the Titties' TD run at the end of the first half.

 

[Scotty]

He was also the Only DT on the field during the Titties' TD run at the end of the first half.

I must have been resting my eyes for that one

 

[captain stone]

Yep, those were pretty inexplicable, but I did watch Tampa on my DVR and even the GOAT misses some.

Yeah I recall a couple of missed Brady-Gronk connections down the seam in the past, including at home... Still, that was a 4-point miss by Mac during a part of the game when 4 extra points looked like they might've been needed.

You should take note of how much draft capital TEN has spent on their OL. They are a very strong group, regardless of who the RB is. In turn this means they haven't put a lot of draft capital in other places and end up making FA moves like spending on an oft-injured Julio Jones.

Aside from Lewan-Saffold on the Left side, the rest of their OL isn't/wasn't very good right now... No excuse for the gashing the defense suffered on the ground, especially when considering that all the Titties had going for them on offense yesterday was their running game... and the defense Still couldn't stop them.