Joe Montana: Niners should've taken Mac Jones

[Pats1971]

But he also didn't say anything about Brady's quality of play. It was all about his longevity.

Yeah he diminished Brady's longevity by making an excuse that for some reason does not apply to any other player.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

All the top tier QB's were gone. Again Bill took the Qb that was there. I didnt say he was lucky, I am just saying it was not like Mac was considered a 5th rounder and Bill took him in the first. He literally did nothing and Mac was available at that spot. It was not like there were 3 or 4 available that he had to choose from. But yeah if Mac was gone, then he takes Mills maybe, does that mean it would not have been genius anymore becuase he didnt take Mac? I didnt say anything about Luck, although Brady was lucky because frankly he didnt even want to take a QB in 2000, but Bill took the guy that was there. All the QB's were gone, any of them could have easily taken Mac, would that mean Bill was no longer smart anymore because Mac was taken?

So Bill’s relationship with Nick Saban had nothing to do with Mac being drafted? or Barmore for that matter…got it.

It’s clear you’re not a Pats fan. You’re just sniping at Bill and Mac for whatever reason. At least be a man and become a Bucs fan like @amfootball or @carmelo15 have.

 

[amfootball]

But he also didn't say anything about Brady's quality of play. It was all about his longevity.

What difference does that make? When talking about his longevity how you can you not mention his style of play from the pocket, football IQ to get rid of the ball and avoid the bone crushing hits and his unprecedented physical regiment to care for his body? Those are all the primary reasons for his longevity more than the rules but Montana mentioned none of it because he was intentionally trying to discredit his longevity as just being a factor of the rules and not Brady himself. If he truly thought otherwise, he could have qualified it like you did but he didn't.

 

[libra957]

Mac is playing much better than all the other rookie Qbs by a significant margin.

 

[Wozzy]

All the top tier QB's were gone. Again Bill took the Qb that was there. I didnt say he was lucky, I am just saying it was not like Mac was considered a 5th rounder and Bill took him in the first. He literally did nothing and Mac was available at that spot. It was not like there were 3 or 4 available that he had to choose from. But yeah if Mac was gone, then he takes Mills maybe, does that mean it would not have been genius anymore becuase he didnt take Mac? I didnt say anything about Luck, although Brady was lucky because frankly he didnt even want to take a QB in 2000, but Bill took the guy that was there. All the QB's were gone, any of them could have easily taken Mac, would that mean Bill was no longer smart anymore because Mac was taken?

If there was a bad QB sitting there BB wouldn't have taken him. If the Bears had traded up for Mac instead I don't think Bill would have reached for Justin Fields. Again, I think he would have taken Barmore or another player at 15 and taken Davis Mills later.

Bill didn't take a QB just because he needed one, he took Mac. Moreover Mac was not this hot commodity, according to draftniks he had a weak arm, bad pro day, all his surrounding talent at Alabama is why he looked good etc... some had him going in the second round, luck had nothing to do with it. You don't take a bad QB at 15 just because you need a QB. Bill is really good at his job. Any of them could have taken Mac... they didn't.

 

[Pats1971]

So Bill’s relationship with Nick Saban had nothing to do with Mac being drafted? or Barmore for that matter…got it.

It’s clear you’re not a Pats fan. You’re just sniping at Bill and Mac for whatever reason. At least be a man and become a Bucs fan like @amfootball or @carmelo15 have.

If mac is drafted before it got down to the pats, would it matter what relationship Bill had? No. I am not doing ****, I am telling you what happened. Bill might have wanted Mac the whole entire time, that has nothing to do with what I said. I said him being able to get him when he did without having to trade up was lucky. Dude you cannot troll and say stupid **** on this board like you do and call anyone else out for being a pats fan or not. The pats and Bill were lucky that other teams did not take Mac and that he fell to 15 without them having to trade, yes, that was lucky. Bill didnt magically make it happen, it just happened.

 

[Pats1971]

If there was a bad QB sitting there BB wouldn't have taken him. If the Bears had traded up for Mac instead I don't think Bill would have reached for Justin Fields.

Again, I think he would have taken Barmore or another player at 15 and taken Davis Mills later. Bill didn't take a QB just because he needed one, he took Mac. Moreover Mac was not this hot commodity, according to draftniks he had a weak arm, bad pro day, all his surrounding talent at Alabama is why he looked good etc... luck had nothing to do with it. You don't take a bad QB at 15 just because you need a QB. Bill is really good at his job. Any of them could have taken Mac... they didn't.

Bill would not have reached for anyone, thats the point, there was no indicationt hat Bill was going to trade up and get Mac either. Mac was considered a first round graded QB. So yeah that is where he went, he was not some projected 7th rounder that nobody heard of that Bill grabbed. Yes any of them could have taken mac and they didnt, which is why Bill drafted him. Again those coaches chose, Bill didnt. He took Mac when he was there at 15. Just like most every pats fan on this board would have. Had the niners taken Mac, would Bill no longer be a genius becuase he didnt take mac? I am not sure he would have taken fields at 15, but he might have, but that was not a choice., He didnt pick Mac. The pats didnt have the first overall pick and Bill had to pick between 5 QB's. There was no choice made. mac was a first round graded QB that fit the pats system, it was not rocket science to take him there.

 

[Wozzy]

Again when someone says wow Brady has played better and longer than anyone and Joe's response is, yeah well the rules....why do the rules not affect anyone but Brady and why would you say that? It is for sure diminishing Brady by making an excuse for what he is doing.

Brees played almost as long as Brady, the rules definitely helped the both of them and Brees suffered some bad injuries in his first years in the league. Tom was not alone, QB's now will play significantly longer than those from the past... it ain't avocado ice cream.

 

[Wozzy]

Bill would not have reached for anyone, thats the point, there was no indicationt hat Bill was going to trade up and get Mac either. Mac was considered a first round graded QB. So yeah that is where he went, he was not some projected 7th rounder that nobody heard of that Bill grabbed. Yes any of them could have taken mac and they didnt, which is why Bill drafted him. Again those coaches chose, Bill didnt. He took Mac when he was there at 15. Just like most every pats fan on this board would have. Had the niners taken Mac, would Bill no longer be a genius becuase he didnt take mac? I am not sure he would have taken fields at 15, but he might have, but that was not a choice., He didnt pick Mac. The pats didnt have the first overall pick and Bill had to pick between 5 QB's. There was no choice made. mac was a first round graded QB that fit the pats system, it was not rocket science to take him there.

Bill gets slammed regularly for taking N'Keal Harry... when he takes Mac and Barmore back to back he was lucky... boy, he can't win.

 

[scott99]

Mac was the perfect pick for the Pats. He is like the perfect Patriot type QB. Smart, reads defenses well, quick release, extremely accurate, and always says and does the right thing, pretty much a perfect fit for “The Patriot Way”. He was also the most NFL ready of the 1st round QB draftees.

I think the 49ers selecting Lance wasn’t exactly the wrong decision for them. They have the time to let Lance learn the NFL game. They already had a QB in place that Lance had to beat out. He didn’t. So therefore they have time to let him learn. They were in a different situation than the Pats, who needed someone to come in and be competitive immediately. Not sure the Pats envisioned Mac would beat out Cam so quickly, but they needed someone who would be ready soon.

 

[Pats1971]

Brees played almost as long as Brady, the rules definitely helped the both of them and Brees suffered some bad injuries in his first years in the league. Tom was not alone, QB's now will play significantly longer than those from the past... it ain't avocado ice cream.

Show me how QB's play significantly longer. Show me. I keep reading this, someone show it.

 

[Wozzy]

Show me how QB's play significantly longer. Show me. I keep reading this, someone show it.

Let me peer into the future and find you some examples... did you have your coffee this morning?

QB's in the last decade have been protected more than those in prior decades... only here is that considered a revolutionary thought because (gasp) it might lessen Tom's significant achievements. Good grief...

 

[Pats1971]

Bill gets slammed regularly for taking N'Keal Harry... when he takes Mac and Barmore back to back he was lucky... boy, he can't win.

Ok? Bill had a pick of about 300 receivers. lol again, thats not the same comparison. I said nothing about baremore. I was talking about Mac. Bill didnt trade up and pick Mac over 5 other QB's. Mac fell to them, and he took him. It was probably the biggest no brainer in his entire draft history.

 

[Pats1971]

Let me peer into the future and find you some examples... did you have your coffee this morning?

Its already here. brady was drafted in 2000. Show me the list of QB's that played longer than any QB from the 80's and 90's. Brady is getting teh excuse, he was drafted in 2000 so show me all the others.

 

[amfootball]

Mac was the perfect pick for the Pats. He is like the perfect Patriot type QB. Smart, reads defenses well, quick release, extremely accurate, and always says and does the right thing, pretty much a perfect fit for “The Patriot Way”. He was also the most NFL ready of the 1st round QB draftees.

I think the 49ers selecting Lance wasn’t exactly the wrong decision for them. They have the time to let Lance learn the NFL game. They already had a QB in place that Lance had to beat out. He didn’t. So therefore they have time to let him learn. They were in a different situation than the Pats, who needed someone to come in and be competitive immediately. Not sure the Pats envisioned Mac would beat out Cam so quickly, but they needed someone who would be ready soon.

I agree with this. I do wonder though about how great Shanny's system really is. Jimmy seems to be the only one that can run it effectively.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I'm sure this will go over well with 49ers fans and 49ers media....

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[Wozzy]

Ok? Bill had a pick of about 300 receivers. lol again, thats not the same comparison. I said nothing about baremore. I was talking about Mac. Bill didnt trade up and pick Mac over 5 other QB's. Mac fell to them, and he took him. It was probably the biggest no brainer in his entire draft history.

Bill could have taken any QB available to him after Mac, he could have taken any player... he took Mac. A player many teams didn't think worthy of a first round grade. Now in hindsight it all seems so logical though.

 

[Pats1971]

I agree with this. I do wonder though about how great Shanny's system really is. Jimmy seems to be the only one that can run it effectively.

Yeah hard to tell. I think Mac would have been fine in it, but not sure the QB they took will be.

 

[amfootball]

Yeah hard to tell. I think Mac would have been fine in it, but not sure the QB they took will be.

My honest feeling is they didn't want to move on from Jimmy so they took a developmental guy. They really are a strange org.

 

[Pats1971]

Bill could have taken any QB available to him after Mac, he could have taken any player... he took Mac. A player many teams didn't think worthy of a first round grade. Now in hindsight it all seems so logical though.

Mac was higher on the board than any QB left. lol He drafted chalk. He didnt take a projected 6th rounder or anything, he took the guy that was slated at that spot. I mean was there any pats fans in the world or hell a media member who did not think Bill woudl take him at 15 if he was there? you act like it was some great shock or something. OMG Bill took the Qb that would fit best with the team's offense at the spot they had a draft pick. Who else was a first round projected QB that was left?