Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

[SHOWTIME15]

I'd give Bill one more year after this to turn the ship around...3 years post-Brady is plenty of time to build a winning program, especially now that you have the QB of the future.

 

[Bonzo]

We're not even a full year removed from Belichick getting 7 wins - going 7-8 with a qb who four times failed to muster even a hundred yards passing - with one of the most talent-deficient rosters I can remember. Forget the HOF, I would give him a Nobel Prize or something.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Poor guy

Okay but seriously.... even with the criticism, he'll still be a HOF, and people are still defending him and saying he's the GOAT coach.

He just has to not be too bad again next year.

Have a good draft.

Joe judge went 6-10 last 6ear after losing close games... and he's probably going to be fired this year despite having an excuse.

Many people are still defending Belichick in the media, so he's fine. There's people who still say he would have won a lot of rings with any good QB. So he's fine lol

 

[archstanton543]

We're not even a full year removed from Belichick getting 7 wins - going 7-8 with a qb who four times failed to muster even a hundred yards passing - with one of the most talent-deficient rosters I can remember. Forget the HOF, I would give him a Nobel Prize or something.

But who's responsible for the talent-deficient roster?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No matter whether you love Bill or hate him, its hard and sad to see his legacy get ripped to shreds like this. As the mediocrity continues it will only get worse.

Much like Tom Landry decades ago, Bill Belichick mystique is falling apart | Opinion

No coach in the modern era of pro sports was built by one person more than New England’s Bill Belichick.

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I must have missed the change in the definition of legacy.

 

[sb1]

Poor guy

Okay but seriously.... even with the criticism, he'll still be a HOF, and people are still defending him and saying he's the GOAT coach.

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

 

[yukon cornelius]

They're not going anywhere. Sports media has been a thing since gladiators were fighting in the Collesuem.

the death of the newspapers ushered in the end of journalism, though.....now we have "sports media" looking to gain hits and monetize their hot takes......sports radio was always a sh!thole, we had the talking heads on the dumb ESPN shows, but the rise of internet based "media" was the final torpedo that sunk the ship......there's still a few decent journalists out there, but for the most part the sports media field is a cesspool of narcissists chasing hits and likes......and they'll say and do whatever they need to in order to get them......

this team is trending in the right direction, the rebuild is happening...6-9 wins this year is probably where things will end up shaking out, although it really could have been 8-11 if things had shaken out differently (and still could, honestly, but there will need to be some big wins in the last 2/3 of the season).....next year should be all rights be a playoff year......the reports of BB's demise are greatly exaggerated

 

[RobertWeathers]

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

Not clear?

What is your criteria to determine which coach is to be considered GOAT?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

We're not even a full year removed from Belichick getting 7 wins - going 7-8 with a qb who four times failed to muster even a hundred yards passing - with one of the most talent-deficient rosters I can remember. Forget the HOF, I would give him a Nobel Prize or something.

Who assembled that talent deficient roster? If you’re giving credit to the coach, give criticism to the Gm who gave him that product

 

[slash83]

There isn’t a single coach in the league today that I would replace him with.

 

[VectorPrime]

In literally every sport eventually the game passes the greats by. It happens. It’s not some hot take. And Belichick obviously delegating stuff to staff who are only in the position due to nepotism doesn’t help.

 

[sb1]

Not clear?

What is your criteria to determine which coach is to be considered GOAT?

I don't know...other than rings I guess. But that's a team accomplishment. If BB decided to stay with the Jets years ago would he even have one ring?

I think you can make an argument for any one of the all time great coaches to be the greatest, including an argument for BB. But if you can do that then it's hard to say for sure that one guy is the greatest.

I'd like to think BB is GOAT but that's only because I'm a Pats fan. IMO saying Brady is GOAT QB is much more clear cut than saying BB is GOAT coach. I can't make any argument for any other QB over Brady. But I can for say, Lombardi over Bill. And vice versa. It's a tough one.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I don't know...other than rings I guess. But that's a team accomplishment. If BB decided to stay with the Jets years ago would he even have one ring?

I think you can make an argument for any one of the all time great coaches to be the greatest, including an argument for BB. But if you can do that then it's hard to say for sure that one guy is the greatest.

I'd like to think BB is GOAT but that's only because I'm a Pats fan. IMO saying Brady is GOAT QB is much more clear cut than saying BB is GOAT coach. I can't make any argument for any other QB over Brady. But I can for say, Lombardi over Bill. And vice versa. It's a tough one.

if ring's are a team accomplishment, then you agree that Brady has zero wins in his career, also?

 

[VectorPrime]

if ring's are a team accomplishment, then you agree that Brady has zero wins in his career, also?

Brady just won with another team and a coach who everyone considers to be a boob so try again.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

You know, it's funnny.

For years, watching the team, I've always felt like the other coaches we've gone up against were not bad. They were just held back by bad QB play. (Think Rex Ryan. If he had a better QB, they make and win a super bowl in 2009 or 2010, and he's still coaching).

As great as Bill is, it's easier to be good when you don't have to worry about the offense (which Bill has said himself). Brady:

Can audible out of a bad play at the line of scrimmage (something other coaches would have to do for their QBs, like McVay did with Goff in the Super Bowl)

Is clutch - so it's easier to have good clock management and late game decision making (Notice how Bill has been struggling with that recently)

Is incredibly consistent- Brady wouldn't randomly have 3-4 horrible games a year. (Look at Baker, Garopollo, Goff.) You don't have have make changes to get him going.

He's accurate, smart, good in the pocket, has great velocity on his throws etc. So that makes up for any flaws like personell flaws or even play design flaws (Josh McDaniels).

He is incredibly efficient game in and game out - one of the underrated things about Brady is his 3rd conversion rate and scoring rate off the other teams turnovers. Those two traits make it VERY convenient for a defense and head coach.

Would be a great locker room presence, so can buy in to Belichick's coaching style, which is not always friendly

Would come through in the playoffs time and time again


So overall, Belichick had a luxury with Brady. It made it so that Belichick didn't have to micromanage things the way other coaches have to. He could focus more on defense and special teams, he didn't have to nail the draft every year to keep the team afloat.

We have to great credit to guys Mike Shanahan, Tom Landry, Mike Holmgren, etc. Who were able to make deep playoff runs (and even Super Bowls!) with multiple QBs, and give them their best years.

Those guys also have innovative schemes that have elevated their teams.

 

[ashley]

Nothing that a few wins won't heal !!!!!!!!!

 

[ashley]

Who assembled that talent deficient roster? If you’re giving credit to the coach, give criticism to the Gm who gave him that product

Are you saying that BB isn't the GOAT GM? lol, we won't get involved in that discussion....Coach no argument, GM.? LOL

 

[sb1]

if ring's are a team accomplishment, then you agree that Brady has zero wins in his career, also?

Rings are a team accomplishment, not an individual accomplishment. QB and coach are part of the team. Belichick as HC has 6 rings, Brady has 7.

Rings on its own can't make a player or coach the greatest of all time.

 

[sb1]

So overall, Belichick had a luxury with Brady. It made it so that Belichick didn't have to micromanage things the way other coaches have to. He could focus more on defense and special teams, he didn't have to nail the draft every year to keep the team afloat.

Absolutely. BB had a built in advantage of the GOAT QB on his roster. Now that the advantage is gone, Bill has come back to the pack a bit.

So other than rings which are a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment - what is the clear argument that BB is absolutely better than every single other coach in the history of the league? I don't know.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't know...other than rings I guess. But that's a team accomplishment.

BB built AND coached the team.

So did Brown, Landry, Shula, Noll, Walsh and Lombardi.

I'm satisfied with BB being in that company.

If we want to quantify it and use SB or NFL championships as another qualifier then BB is GOAT.

If we want to use playoff wins, BB is GOAT

If we want to use regular season wins then it's Shula

Beauty is in the eye of he beholder.