What is BB's biggest mistake as head coach/GM of Patriots?

[rochrist]

Ray Lewis killed several guys.

 

[venecol]

He knew it wasn't allowed by the league. Let's be real. But there was no way that Belichick was going to know how much this would have snowballed. Teams have cheated and far worse than Spygate. There was so much jealousy and hatred for the Patriots that it spiraled into a national controversy.

It was definitely a mistake. But there was no way to know it would have turned into such an issue.

Belichick should've known, but he was too arrogant and pushed the envelope over the line. Given that he had a video tape collection larger than Kraft's oriental porn collection, he should've been more cautious. What ever happened to all those videos anyway? They were burnt you say?

 

[sb1]

He knew it wasn't allowed by the league. Let's be real. But there was no way that Belichick was going to know how much this would have snowballed. Teams have cheated and far worse than Spygate. There was so much jealousy and hatred for the Patriots that it spiraled into a national controversy.

It was definitely a mistake. But there was no way to know it would have turned into such an issue.

Right. He interpreted that rule and memo his own way - an interpretation which TBH was a stretch to me and it was laughable to think Goodell would ever accept it- but either way he should have checked with the league on that interpretation before going ahead with it.

Instead he decided to skip that and now he has a cheating scandal on his resume, and it put us fans through misery having to hear about it again and again and again and try to defend it. And it put the franchise in the league doghouse and it's still there today. Let's be honest, Deflategate doesn't happen if Spygate didn't, the Bengals taping gets a small fine and nothing else and we get to keep those draft picks.

That stands out to me as the biggest mistake of his career and it was a doozy and it was historically so. While I'm glad Kraft didn't fire him for that, I'm not sure if I could have shown that restraint.

 

[Kontradiction]

The OP wanted to drive a couple of ice picks into his nuts, I see. The train wreck that ensued afterward was a fun read, though.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ozzie Newsome and his one ring? Are you serious? What's next, Ted Thompson or John Schneider are better?

He was terrible since 2013. He forgot to sign Flacco going into the 2012 postseason. He's the very reason why these QBs now make 40 mil per or Kirk Cousins makes 28 per. Flacco had him over a barrel. It's a big reason why Baltimore has been masking their overrated teams and how they missed the postseason in 2015, 2016 and 2017. And, then he was fired over it. This is better than BB? Laughable.

Newsome can't hold BB's jock. No one can. Newsome is lucky BB got Kokinos an extra pick in the '96 draft for Ray Ray. I give him credit for drafting the great Ed Reed, though. And, if you want a GM who REALLY can't draft WRs, that was Ozzie Newsome. He was horrible. Torrey Smith was his best in his 15 years of being the GM.

How many dynasties has Ozzie built anyway?

Ozzie has 2 rings as GM and is absolutely one of the better GMs is NFL history.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

Belichick should've known, but he was too arrogant and pushed the envelope over the line. Given that he had a video tape collection larger than Kraft's oriental porn collection, he should've been more cautious. What ever happened to all those videos anyway? They were burnt you say?

I don't agree. No one could know the commissioner was hired to do what Goodell has done, including cheat during games to shape outcomes he wants. It's never been done in the NFL before, let alone anywhere in sports.

Remember the time in 2013 when he was really looking to cheat the team all year like in Carolina where Gronk was mauled, etc, when vs the Jets, Nick Folk missed a kick in OT and Chris Jones was called for that penalty when it wasn't a penalty? I laugh about how preposterous the cheating has been and how long it's been going on. It's like, how much more obvious can it get? We later learned Ryan threatened the ref for it, even though his own player did it earlier in the year vs NE and it wasn't called. Folk kicked again and NY won.

Then we see Dean Blandino on NFL.com being caught posting the rule, where it never mentioned it being a penalty on the line of scrimmage. You had to be standing on the "second level" which is how they showed it to teams in training camp that summer. Curran is the one who spotted their attempt to get the ruling on the field to match how Goodell cheated in the game. It's just unreal this behavior occurs and is allowed by the owners.

I don't understand how anyone can justify a commissioner behaving immorally, illegally and unethically for his job right in front of the NFL customer, but that's just me. I also can't think of one sports dynasty that was targeted to stop them from winning simply because they think it may hurt business long term. Not the Canandiens, Islanders, Oilers, Celtics, Lakers, Yankees, Red Wings, Blackhawks, you name it....Leagues WANT successful dynasties except for the NFL.

The NHL. NBA or MLB has no evidence of this kind of shaping of possible outcome$. Well, the NBA had some ref shenanigans but that didn't come from Stern. The NHL just fired a ref for a similar situation, but they don't back those people. They fire them.

As for BB, he didn't misunderstand the rule. Mangini left NE, Woody Johnson knew BB and Ernie have photographic memories and didn't want anything helping NE. It's also why he hired Manboobs who wasn't qualified. It simply weakened NE. BB knew exactly what it meant and I am sure was half flattered and half annoyed at how childish it is.

When one of the two NY owners tell Goodell to jump, he says "how high"?

This is ridiculous to put BB's greatness and success on him as a punishment.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

Ozzie has 2 rings as GM and is absolutely one of the better GMs is NFL history.

No. He was the GM starting in 2002. Was not the GM. It was George Kokinos. He was underling like Caserio with the ring in 2000.

Ozzie also says he owes his career to Belichick, but he's nowhere near BBs level.

1. BB



2. George Young (Colts, Dolphins, Giants)
3. John McVay (9ers)
4. Bobby Beathard (Dolphins, Skins, 90s Chargers SB run in '94)
5. Ron Wolf (70s Raiders and 90s Packers)

Ozzie might be back top 10, with Polian or someone like that. There is no one remotely close to BB because of 2 dynasties in the Cap Era. That's the difference.

BB being the coach AND GM is an advantage, no doubt, but why should he be penalized for it?

 

[venecol]

I don't agree. No one could know the commissioner was hired to do what Goodell has done, including cheat during games to shape outcomes he wants. It's never been done in the NFL before, let alone anywhere in sports.

Remember the time in 2013 when he was really looking to cheat the team all year like in Carolina where Gronk was mauled, etc, when vs the Jets, Nick Folk missed a kick in OT and Chris Jones was called for that penalty when it wasn't a penalty? I laugh about preposterous the cheating has been and how long it's been going on. It's like, how much more obvious can it get? We later learned Ryan threatened the ref for it, even though his own player did it earlier in the year vs NE and it wasn't called.

Folk kicked again and NY won. Then we see Dean Blandino on NFL.com being caught posting the rule, where it never mentioned it being a penalty on the line of scrimmage. You had to be standing on the "second level" which is how they showed it to teams in training camp that summer. Curran is the one who spotted their attempt to get the ruling on the field to match how Goodell cheated in the game. It's just unreal this behavior occurs and is allowed by the owners.

I don't understand how anyone can justify a commissioner behaving immorally, illegally and unethically for his job right in front of the NFL customer, but that's just me. I also can't think of one sports dynasty that was targeted to stop them from winning simply because they think it may hurt business long term. Not the Canandiens, Islanders, Oilers, Celtics, Lakers, Yankees, Red Wings, Blackhawks, you name it....Leagues WANT successful dynasties except for the NFL.

The NHL. NBA or MLB has no evidence of this kind of shaping of possible outcome$. Well, the NBA had some ref shenanigans but that didn't come from Stern. The NHL just fired a ref for a similar situation, but they don't back those people. They fire them.

As for BB, he didn't misunderstand the rule. Mangini left NE, Woody Johnson knew BB and Ernie have photographic memories and didn't want anything helping NE. It's also why he hired Manboobs who wasn't qualified. It simply weakened NE. BB knew exactly what it meant and I am sure was half flattered and half annoyed at how childish it is.

When one of the two NY owners tell Goodell to jump, he says "how high"?

This is ridiculous to put BB's greatness and success on him as a punishment.

Do you believe Trump and Biden know about the flying saucers but don't want to tell us?

 

[RobertWeathers]

No. He was the GM starting in 2002. Was not the GM. It was George Kokinos. He was underling like Caserio with the ring in 2000.

Ozzie also says he owes his career to Belichick, but he's nowhere near BBs level.

1. BB



2. George Young (Colts, Dolphins, Giants)
3. John McVay (9ers)
4. Bobby Beathard (Dolphins, Skins, 90s Chargers SB run in '94)
5. Ron Wolf (70s Raiders and 90s Packers)

Ozzie might be back top 10, with Polian or someone like that. There is no one remotely close to BB because of 2 dynasties in the Cap Era. That's the difference.

BB being the coach AND GM is an advantage, no doubt, but why should he be penalized for it?

He rolled up to Ozzie and who cares if he learned under BB. He won 2 SBs and pretty much put a contender out on the field almost every year.

BB is GOAT GM.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ozzie might be back top 10, with Polian or someone like that

Polian was doing really well with the Colts until the mid 2000's when things were unraveling year after year. Drafted plenty of duds and refused to sign anybody significant. It got really bad right before they finally canned him.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

Do you believe Trump and Biden know about the flying saucers but don't want to tell us?

I like facts and reality. Are you denying Curran saw what he saw and what I saw in real time on NFL.com with the Chris Jones "penalty" that wasn't a penalty.

It's kinda suspicious this huge game changing calls affect our team at the end of games or as TDs on the scoreboard, don't ya think? I don't recall these "events" when Rozelle or Tagliabue were commissioner.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

Polian was doing really well with the Colts until the mid 2000's when things were unraveling year after year. Drafted plenty of duds and refused to sign anybody significant. It got really bad right before they finally canned him.

And he's the most overrated. I've heard many in the media, namely Mike Greenberg, call him the greatest ever. The lack of facts and data to support that amongst other bizarre anti-Belichick angles, just boggles the mind. It's like they can't go further than saying "he's a great coach". Heck, I remember back in like 2015 ESPN did this top 10 coaches of all time and Belichick was 6th.

Hilarious stuff.

 

[50-yard-line]

GOAT coach yes, but there have been big mistakes, particularly in last 5 years

I DON'T CARE, I CAN'T STAND IT!


that is all.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

4th and 13 SB 42?

 

[NewEraWithMac]

He rolled up to Ozzie and who cares if he learned under BB. He won 2 SBs and pretty much put a contender out on the field almost every year.

BB is GOAT GM.

Again, he was not the GM until 2002, so he has just the 1 SB.

Once Ray Ray and Reed retired, they missed the playoffs numerous years in a row and was "reassigned"/fired. Baltimore has this odd media darling status and I can't quite figure out why. Horrible uniforms, team name, logo and colors and double murderer statue outside their stadium. It's just an odd thing.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Again, he was not the GM until 2002, so he has just the 1 SB.

Once Ray Ray and Reed retired, they missed the playoffs numerous years in a row and was "reassigned"/fired. Baltimore has this odd media darling status and I can't quite figure out why. Horrible uniforms, team name, logo and colors and double murderer statue outside their stadium. It's just an odd thing.

Again, he was. Kokinos was Assistant Dir Pro Personnel and reported to him.

http://www.ravenspr.com/coaches_personnel_bios/GEORGE_KOKINIS.pdf

Ozzie called the shots on the draft. Ozzie told Art Modell to fire him if he was not going to let him draft Ogden.

Ah so Ozzie is penalized for drafting HoF players and not replenishing the roster of HoF players? Really?

Good god.

 

[Redman443]

Not re signing Brady

 

[JMC00]

Ozzie has 2 rings as GM and is absolutely one of the better GMs is NFL history.

Who do you think Newsome learned from while making the transition from player to GM?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Who do you think Newsome learned from while making the transition from player to GM?

I was responding to the poster who said Ozzie sucked. He didn't suck.

My post has nothing to do with BB

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Not much to add here as most of these have been discussed at length. But if you want to put not resigning Brady as a mistake, how is trading Garropolo also a mistake?