PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Day 11 Training Camp Thread - Monday August 9th

[catent]

This stuff perplexes me.

'Cam will bring us to the promised land'

instead of: 'Cam struggled last season and may not be consistently good moving forward'
we get: 'Cam is bad and has no chance of being successful here'

I tend to think Mac is the better option to run the Patriots offense and will start most (if not all) of the season, but if Cam ends up playing for whatever reason, I'm gonna root for him and be optimistic enough to hope he plays well (despite his big time struggles last season).

Cam was bad, and the reasons outlined by the posters here (footwork, timing, accuracy, ability/willingness to identify the blitz, dictate OL assignments, making quick/decisive decisions throwing the ball, etc) are totally fair, explain his struggles last season and provides evidence for why we should be grounded in our expectations for Cam this season. In spite of that, though, I will root like hell for the guy anytime he's in a Patriots' uniform.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yeah, I’m just saying what I would like to see personally. I’m just some idiot on a fan forum, lol. Obviously the team will make a far more informed decision on the matter. I expect they know the extent of his injury well by now.

If Gilmore plays at a high level for 3 years I agree with signing a 3 year extension. I am an idiot on a fan forum too. Based on historical president, I doubt it happens. But if the money is only guaranteed for 2 years, that seems ok.

 

[PScottman]

“Don’t stop til you get enough”

I know that's a Michael Jackson song, but all I think about is Chris Tucker's Rush Hour karaoke version now.

 

[PScottman]

I read a couple reports this summer Meyers is really excelling in the slot so that could leave Bourne on the outside I suppose.

I'm curious if any attendees can confirm, but is Bourne running with the second unit more than the first? That's just a suspicion based on the snippets of data.

 

[PScottman]

I am an idiot on a fan forum too.

Raising my hand alongside all the other &^%#$@'s wearing Spaceball helmets around here.

 

[PScottman]

The most telling observation in there...that Cam was his "most successful" when throwing to his first read.

Just like against most NFL rookies - the opposing teams are going to scheme that away. If Cam does start the season...more single wing football, here come the Patriots!

 

[amfootball]

If Gilmore plays at a high level for 3 years I agree with signing a 3 year extension. I am an idiot on a fan forum too. Based on historical president, I doubt it happens. But if the money is only guaranteed for 2 years, that seems ok.

Me too. Guarantee 2 years. The guy is still a top corner assuming his quad is Ok.

 

[Clonamery]

Former NFL league MVP, has been to a Superbowl once before, former Heisman Winner, yeah I'll take my chances on him having a comeback and Bill is giving him first dibs.
Sorry that he doesn't look the part for you. But, for Boston I get it....

.

Cam shill.

 

[Pats2000]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

So you're saying Cam didn't throw he ball directly into the dirt at least once a game? No one is saying he didn't have crap to work with, but he was inaccurate and slow on his reads regardless of the offensive crap sandwich

 

[Pats2000]

This stuff perplexes me.

'Cam will bring us to the promised land'

instead of: 'Cam struggled last season and may not be consistently good moving forward'
we get: 'Cam is bad and has no chance of being successful here'

I tend to think Mac is the better option to run the Patriots offense and will start most (if not all) of the season, but if Cam ends up playing for whatever reason, I'm gonna root for him and be optimistic enough to hope he plays well (despite his big time struggles last season).

Cam was bad, and the reasons outlined by the posters here (footwork, timing, accuracy, ability/willingness to identify the blitz, dictate OL assignments, making quick/decisive decisions throwing the ball, etc) are totally fair, explain his struggles last season and provides evidence for why we should be grounded in our expectations for Cam this season. In spite of that, though, I will root like hell for the guy anytime he's in a Patriots' uniform.

I think everyone will root for him. I also think that everyone doesn't want to see the same cluster that was last year

 

[Triumph]

Wouldn't be surprised if he made the team over Folk.

Hes a choker.

Folk is way more accurate.

 

[Ring 6]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

No. He was the problem. Anyone with an objective opinion knows that.

 

[amfootball]

This stuff perplexes me.

'Cam will bring us to the promised land'

instead of: 'Cam struggled last season and may not be consistently good moving forward'
we get: 'Cam is bad and has no chance of being successful here'

I tend to think Mac is the better option to run the Patriots offense and will start most (if not all) of the season, but if Cam ends up playing for whatever reason, I'm gonna root for him and be optimistic enough to hope he plays well (despite his big time struggles last season).

Cam was bad, and the reasons outlined by the posters here (footwork, timing, accuracy, ability/willingness to identify the blitz, dictate OL assignments, making quick/decisive decisions throwing the ball, etc) are totally fair, explain his struggles last season and provides evidence for why we should be grounded in our expectations for Cam this season. In spite of that, though, I will root like hell for the guy anytime he's in a Patriots' uniform.

You should try to obsess less with how people express their fandom.

 

[Ring 6]

This stuff perplexes me.

'Cam will bring us to the promised land'

instead of: 'Cam struggled last season and may not be consistently good moving forward'
we get: 'Cam is bad and has no chance of being successful here'

I tend to think Mac is the better option to run the Patriots offense and will start most (if not all) of the season, but if Cam ends up playing for whatever reason, I'm gonna root for him and be optimistic enough to hope he plays well (despite his big time struggles last season).

Cam was bad, and the reasons outlined by the posters here (footwork, timing, accuracy, ability/willingness to identify the blitz, dictate OL assignments, making quick/decisive decisions throwing the ball, etc) are totally fair, explain his struggles last season and provides evidence for why we should be grounded in our expectations for Cam this season. In spite of that, though, I will root like hell for the guy anytime he's in a Patriots' uniform.

Nobody wants Newton to go out on the field and fail.
Assessing that he stinks isn’t rooting against him, no more than pretending he can magically start understanding how to process the game from the pocket after 10 years being realistic.

 

[jah]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

You heard it here first, if you think Cam sucks, you're a hipster.

 

[jah]

You should try to obsess less with how people express their fandom.

2 long paragraphs about football and this was your takeaway?

 

[Zuma]

 

[amfootball]

2 long paragraphs about football and this was your takeaway?

Yes. It's always the same with him. Tell everyone how he expresses his fandom is best and everyone should follow his example. Virtue signaling at its finest or should I say worst?

 

[Zuma]

Patriots Training Camp Observations: Mac Jones Efficient In Two-Minute

New England Patriots quarterback Mac Jones capped his 11th training camp practice with an efficient performance in a two-minute drill.

nesn.com

- For the second straight day, Wilkerson led all Patriots pass-catchers in targets during team drills, seeing three from Newton and three from Jones. The early-camp standout finished with just two catches, however, and dropped two passes.

- Matt Judon used a nice hesitation-to-speed move to blow past right tackle Trent Brown in 1-on-1s. Later, he and Wise — who had a 1-on-1 win against starting left tackle Isaiah Wynn — teamed up to snuff out a screen pass to tight end Troy Fumagalli.

- Linebacker Ja’Whaun Bentley stuffed Damien Harris and Michel on back-to-back snaps in 11-on-11s. New England’s run defense — a major weakness of last year’s team — has looked much-improved this summer.

- PLAYERS OF THE DAY: Defensive end Deatrich Wise and linebacker Josh Uche both flashed as pass rushers and run defenders, and Phillips continued to be a ball hawk in the secondary, finishing with an interception and a pass breakup (both against Smith). Phillips has been the MVP of training camp thus far.

 

[scott99]

It’s a shame that people here seem to have an agenda when it comes to Cam or Mac. I just want the Pats to win, I don’t care who’s at QB, just want wins. If you look at it logically, if Cam wins the starting job, and succeeds, it would be beneficial for the Pats in that, it gives Mac time to learn, and it helps Cam move on next season to earn his last decent contract elsewhere. It’s a similar similar situation to Smith and Mahomes in KC during Mahomes rookie season. If Cam earns the starting job and ****s the bed, then so be it, put Mac in there. I just wanna see the Pats in the playoffs again.