Cam Newton: "It's really put-up or shut-up time"

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This really isn’t hard. You argue Tom left because the Patriots didn’t have a team around him. Ok if you accept that fact, then what the Patriots did was use Brady’s $30 million which they cleared out last year, to restock this years team. Yes they would probably be better this year with Brady as QB, except they wouldn’t have been able to invest his salary in free agents so they would still be in more or less the same situation they were in two years ago.

Tom Brady or that same money for Nelson Algohor and Matt Judon (or last year, Devin McCourty and Joe Thuney.)

Tough call…hmmmm.

How do GMs sleep at night with tough decisions like this?

 

[Pats1971]

This really isn’t hard. You argue Tom left because the Patriots didn’t have a team around him. Ok if you accept that fact, then what the Patriots did was use Brady’s $30 million which they cleared out last year, to restock this years team. Yes they would probably be better this year with Brady as QB, except they wouldn’t have been able to invest his salary in free agents so they would still be in more or less the same situation they were in two years ago.

Well see here is the thing. YOu do not need to stack as much with Brady as you would for Cam. Brady isnt making 30 mil a year anyway, and frankly if he was that would be a bargain, if the goal is to just pay min money to QB's and try to win, then say goodbye to the pats ever winning much ever again.

 

[moosekill]

Well see here is the thing. YOu do not need to stack as much with Brady as you would for Cam. Brady isnt making 30 mil a year anyway, and frankly if he was that would be a bargain, if the goal is to just pay min money to QB's and try to win, then say goodbye to the pats ever winning much ever again

It is the same argument again and again. You don’t have a super bowl team 2 years ago or last year with Brady here. You probably don’t have a Super Bowl team here this year with Brady here. It isn’t a slight on Tom, it is a simple fact, the reasons have been discussed over and over. If we accept Brady left because the team wasn’t going to be competitive here, even with him playing, and we accept he has at most, what 2 more seasons playing? Would you rather have a marginal playoff team with a great qb for 2 more years or a really strong team with a young qb for 5.

 

[203Pat]

No we still wouldn’t have the supporting cast around Brady, as we saw two years ago, having an amazing Qb without a supporting cast means having a mediocre team. With a qb that has at most 3 years left. At some point Brady will be gone, could the Patriots have rebuilt in time to make this a super bowl caliber team? Not sure, but would Brady have stayed around for a couple years of rebuilding, no way.

Last year was a mediocre team. Two years ago we were a playoff team. We could have let Thuney walk and had enough money for Brady last year and likely still have been a playoff team.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Tom Brady or that same money for Nelson Algohor and Matt Judon (or last year, Devin McCourty and Joe Thuney.)

Tough call…hmmmm.

How do GMs sleep at night with tough decisions like this?

Judon is (presumedly) a building block for a team in a reset due to horrible drafting & questionable roster moves over a few years.

Brady is a soon to be 44 year old QB.

Last year was a mediocre team. Two years ago we were a playoff team. We could have let Thuney walk and had enough money for Brady last year and likely still have been a playoff team.

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The pats are now 10-6 coming off either a wildcard loss or divisional loss. Brady had another season of statistically mediocre play & is more fed up with his surroundings. Now what?

I know I’m in the minority but the mistakes made were the drafts, trading for Sanu, etc. Given a poor roster, I’m not sure letting Brady go and starting over was that egregious. I would have rather them bottom out and get a higher draft pick but hopefully Mac was their guy all along.

 

[203Pat]

Judon is (presumedly) a building block for a team in a reset due to horrible drafting & questionable roster moves over a few years.

Brady is a soon to be 44 year old QB.


Meyers
Byrd
Harry
Izzo
Harris/White

Wynn
Onwenu (R)
Andrews
Mason
Eluemunor

The pats are now 10-6 coming off either a wildcard loss or divisional loss. Brady had another season of statistically mediocre play & is more fed up with his surroundings. Now what?

I know I’m in the minority but the mistakes made were the drafts, trading for Sanu, etc. Given a poor roster, I’m not sure letting Brady go and starting over was that egregious. I would have rather them bottom out and get a higher draft pick but hopefully Mac was their guy all along.

So they go 10-6 lose in the playoffs and then come into 2021 with a decent amount of cap space (more if they restructure Hightower and extend Gilmore. QB is the toughest position to fill in all of sports. Why shove one out the door before you have to?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So they go 10-6 lose in the playoffs and then come into 2021 with a decent amount of cap space (more if they restructure Hightower and extend Gilmore. QB is the toughest position to fill in all of sports. Why shove one out the door before you have to?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It is the same argument again and again. You don’t have a super bowl team 2 years ago or last year with Brady here. You probably don’t have a Super Bowl team here this year with Brady here. It isn’t a slight on Tom, it is a simple fact, the reasons have been discussed over and over. If we accept Brady left because the team wasn’t going to be competitive here, even with him playing, and we accept he has at most, what 2 more seasons playing? Would you rather have a marginal playoff team with a great qb for 2 more years or a really strong team with a young qb for 5.

And yet the team used the money to sign veteran players that won’t be a part of their future and acquired zero draft picks.

This is why your attempt at revisionism is laughable.

The Patriots tried to be better in 2020 than they were in 2019. They fell on their face with Stidham.

 

[patsinthesnow]

So they go 10-6 lose in the playoffs and then come into 2021 with a decent amount of cap space (more if they restructure Hightower and extend Gilmore. QB is the toughest position to fill in all of sports. Why shove one out the door before you have to?

Reasonable. They had to start over at some point & unfortunately 2017-2019 accelerated that.

There’s no debate they’d be better this year with Tom over rookie Mac Jones. Hopefully that changes longterm but if the goat hasn’t declined by now who knows.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Can’t believe some of you think this offseason was a “reset” button. A spending frenzy on free agents is no such thing. I am way more disappointed in the way the Patriots have handled this offseason than last offseason; I’d thought they’d had a plan to rebuild. They don’t. This is the same stuff every non-contender does every few years…throws tons of money at FAs and banks on a first round QB hitting.

Meanwhile the idea Brady needed to be off the books - when the team spent an NFL record amount this year, is a conspiracy theory. It’s sad to see otherwise intelligent posters self-immolate as they try to spin a narrative about the cap, about rebuilding, etc. when the narrative is contradictory and desperate.

 

[203Pat]

Can’t believe some of you think this offseason was a “reset” button. A spending frenzy on free agents is no such thing. I am way more disappointed in the way the Patriots have handled this offseason than last offseason; I’d thought they’d had a plan to rebuild. They don’t. This is the same stuff every non-contender does every few years…throws tons of money at FAs and banks on a first round QB hitting.

This is the stuff we have been laughing at for years.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Can’t believe some of you think this offseason was a “reset” button. A spending frenzy on free agents is no such thing. I am way more disappointed in the way the Patriots have handled this offseason than last offseason; I’d thought they’d had a plan to rebuild. They don’t. This is the same stuff every non-contender does every few years…throws tons of money at FAs and banks on a first round QB hitting.

Meanwhile the idea Brady needed to be off the books - when the team spent an NFL record amount this year, is a conspiracy theory. It’s sad to see otherwise intelligent posters self-immolate as they try to spin a narrative about the cap, about rebuilding, etc. when the narrative is contradictory and desperate.

It’s kind of obvious on offense they want a strong OL & TEs to coincide with a QB on a rookie contract. There isn’t one player on either unit above the age of 28.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It’s kind of obvious on offense they want a strong OL & TEs to coincide with a QB on a rookie contract. There isn’t one player on either unit above the age of 28.

I don’t understand this. Is this in response to my post?

 

[patsinthesnow]

I don’t understand this. Is this in response to my post?

I think there is a plan on offense (although you could debate if Mac was a part of it before FA). His skill set is a good fit for a 2 TE play action offense.

Control the LOS & attack the middle of the field with an accurate pocket passer. No argument the WRs were overpaid but they had to do something at that position.

 

[jdlboot14]

what's crazy to me is that almost all of the pundits pre-draft called Mac the most pro-ready QB besides (or alongside Trevor).
But now Lawrence, Wilson and probably Fields are going to start week 1, and Mac needs to sit a year or 2?
Our record last year wasn't as bad as Jags, Jets and Bears, but we're in as much of a "reset" as they are. Plus, who's system has more continuity and proven success? Pats. I'd be more happy to see the growing pains of having Mac in there, then literally watching wasted games and spinning wheels with Cam for 6-10 games.

 

[sb1]

what's crazy to me is that almost all of the pundits pre-draft called Mac the most pro-ready QB besides (or alongside Trevor).
But now Lawrence, Wilson and probably Fields are going to start week 1, and Mac needs to sit a year or 2?
Our record last year wasn't as bad as Jags, Jets and Bears, but we're in as much of a "reset" as they are. Plus, who's system has more continuity and proven success? Pats. I'd be more happy to see the growing pains of having Mac in there, then literally watching wasted games and spinning wheels with Cam for 6-10 games.

Yeah. No reason to baby Mac. He's a first round pick and he's played in lots of big games. Let's roll with him for better or worse in the short term.

 

[Hyped]

I am happy that BB is the one making this call. He will play the guy that gives us the best chance of winning games.

It doesn't matter to me who starts because we will be SIGNIFIANTLY better behind center...no matter who plays.

That being said, Cam will be hard to unseat for any rookie QB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mac will probably start week 1…week 5 at latest.

 

[Pats1971]

Can’t believe some of you think this offseason was a “reset” button. A spending frenzy on free agents is no such thing. I am way more disappointed in the way the Patriots have handled this offseason than last offseason; I’d thought they’d had a plan to rebuild. They don’t. This is the same stuff every non-contender does every few years…throws tons of money at FAs and banks on a first round QB hitting.

Meanwhile the idea Brady needed to be off the books - when the team spent an NFL record amount this year, is a conspiracy theory. It’s sad to see otherwise intelligent posters self-immolate as they try to spin a narrative about the cap, about rebuilding, etc. when the narrative is contradictory and desperate.

It was different than anything they have ever done, basically they did what other teams do and that is not really how they did things the last two decades. I guess the change at QB had way more impact than people thought.

 

[‘Mondre]

Well see here is the thing. YOu do not need to stack as much with Brady as you would for Cam. Brady isnt making 30 mil a year anyway, and frankly if he was that would be a bargain, if the goal is to just pay min money to QB's and try to win, then say goodbye to the pats ever winning much ever again.

so how do you feel about Seattle when their guys got post-rookie contracts, or KC once they’ll have to pay mahommes again?

y’all know qb is not the only position? Y’all know every pats sb team has a good defense?