Cam Newton: "It's really put-up or shut-up time"

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Strategy.

if Brady retires or falls behind macs/Cams production or retires before we build a playoff-worthy roster, then yes Bill is right.

This is like playing Texas Hold Em, going all-in with pocket 5s against pocket Aces, and arguing you’re right if you get incredibly lucky despite having big odds against you.

Of course Bill wasn’t right…replacing the still productive GOAT with a washed-up veteran and then playing the lottery on a mid-first round QB? Those options are available to teams any time. There was no master plan/ wise guy knowledge about a special skilled QB or trade target. This was all just some kind of bluff or point being made with no actual strategy at QB.

Anyone outside New England understands this…it’s not even a debate. The best Bill will get for an excuse is he just miscalculated on Brady’s remaining production; the truth is it may have been about more than that…a coach who prioritized his personal preference to move on from Brady over the best interest of the franchise.

 

[sb1]

Of course Bill wasn’t right…replacing the still productive GOAT with a washed-up veteran and then playing the lottery on a mid-first round QB?

Actually it was replacing Brady with Jarrett Stidham. Woof.

 

[amfootball]

This is like playing Texas Hold Em, going all-in with pocket 5s against pocket Aces, and arguing you’re right if you get incredibly lucky despite having big odds against you.

Of course Bill wasn’t right…replacing the still productive GOAT with a washed-up veteran and then playing the lottery on a mid-first round QB? Those options are available to teams any time. There was no master plan/ wise guy knowledge about a special skilled QB or trade target. This was all just some kind of bluff or point being made with no actual strategy at QB.

Anyone outside New England understands this…it’s not even a debate. The best Bill will get for an excuse is he just miscalculated on Brady’s remaining production; the truth is it may have been about more than that…a coach who prioritized his personal preference to move on from Brady over the best interest of the franchise.

And the worst part is Brady was not asking for the moon like Rodgers is right now in GB. He just wanted a multi-year deal at $25 mil/year after coming off his 6th SB ring. I mean, how ridiculous is that? To move on from the best QB in NFL history who just delivered you your 6th ring and you have NO ONE at the QB spot behind him. Literally NO ONE. And you tell him "no thanks?"

 

[203Pat]

They were top of the power rankings from week one, and the center of the nfl universe, the predominant topic in the media (also here), etc.

but regardless of whether or not they were that good (many felt even with Winston they were a qb away from being good), the main point is that cam cost us $1m, and we weren’t going to do anything even with Brady anyway. And if he sucks we can...... get a high pick for his replacement.

Strategy.

if Brady retires or falls behind macs/Cams production or retires before we build a playoff-worthy roster, then yes Bill is right.

When Brady showed up yes there was buzz but I don’t think anyone was saying that they were a super team and going to win the super bowl. There was also plenty of talk that Brady was fading. I remember after the week one loss to the Bucs and our week one win against Miami there were plenty of memes and comments from the media that Brady made a mistake.

What strategy? Bungle the roster to the point you can't afford to pay your most important player? I keep seeing this excuse that "well Brady couldn't have won with this roster in 2020". Who do you think created that roster? By the time Brady retires Mac in theory should just be hitting his stride. I don’t think even the biggest homers are saying we will win a super bowl this year and the Bucs have an even easier path on paper than they did last year. They already have a year of working with Brady, the Saints are rebuilding, and the rest of the division is average at best. They are almost a lock to make the playoffs baring a major injury or Brady falling off a cliff.

So once again, what was our strategy? Draft poorly and make poor signings and trades over the last 4-5 years to the point the roster is so bad you run a more than capable QB out the door so you can bring in a broken down QB who can't throw while your prior QB proves he can still win? Unless we go on a miraculous super bowl run I think the book is closed on Bill's decision to move on from Brady.

 

[203Pat]

And the worst part is Brady was not asking for the moon like Rodgers is right now in GB. He just wanted a multi-year deal at $25 mil/year after coming off his 6th SB ring. I mean, how ridiculous is that? To move on from the best QB in NFL history who just delivered you your 6th ring and you have NO ONE at the QB spot behind him. Literally NO ONE. And you tell him "no thanks?"

Just reading about all the intangibles alone that Brady brought to the Bucs makes me want to puke. We had a guy who could not only perform at a high level but raise the play of everyone around him and taking much less than market value to do so and Bill ran him out of town. I completely believe that Bill's ego got in the way and I haven't seen anything to prove otherwise.

 

[amfootball]

Just reading about all the intangibles alone that Brady brought to the Bucs makes me want to puke. We had a guy who could not only perform at a high level but raise the play of everyone around him and taking much less than market value to do so and Bill ran him out of town. I completely believe that Bill's ego got in the way and I haven't seen anything to prove otherwise.

He believed the system was greater than its greatest player. Imagine sitting there in late June last year and believing Newton was a good signing after letting Brady walk?

I am so glad Kraft brought in other FO people this year to rebuild this roster.

 

[203Pat]

He believed the system was greater than its greatest player. Imagine sitting there in late June last year and believing Newton was a good signing after letting Brady walk?

I am so glad Kraft brought in other FO people this year to rebuild this roster.

The thing that killed me most was Bill jumped out of the plane with no parachute. When he let Brady walk he was seemingly content to go into the season with Jarrett Stidham. The same Jarrett Stidham who Bill refused to even let play a couple of meaningless games down the stretch.

 

[amfootball]

The thing that killed me most was Bill jumped out of the plane with no parachute. When he let Brady walk he was seemingly content to go into the season with Jarrett Stidham. The same Jarrett Stidham who Bill refused to even let play a couple of meaningless games down the stretch.

And somehow he gets a pass from the fanbase? I don't get it. It was such a royal screw up and has left us with Newton for a second year and a hope and a prayer that Jones turns into something.

 

[catent]

A thread about the Cam Newton and we’re talking about Tom Brady. Cool.

In fact, we have been since pages 1, 2, & 3.

Got things started with a couple troll posts about the “Patriot Way” being dead and it’s been downhill from there.

All of this related to Cam Newton’s upcoming season, how?

 

[amfootball]

 

[Pats2000]

If I'm Bill I have Mac start week 4. He's our first rounder and the future. He's already played in plenty of big games under the national spotlight. No reason to baby the guy. He's going up against one of the best pass rushes he will see this season. Why not see how he can handle it right now? I don't need to see Brady and the Bucs shut the Pats out in our house with Cam playing. Even if the Patriots still lose the game with Mac starting, what an opportunity to learn from facing the best.

Hopefully that's moot anyway and he's already our starter.

I don't know if that's the game I throw the rookie to the wolves on. I'm thinking it's either Week 1, Newton injury, or Week 6-8 depending on how well Netwon is playing and what Mac is showing in practice.

Mac has played in a lot of big games, but it was still college and it takes time to adjust to what's open in the NFL, vs. open in college, the speed of the game, the complexity of the defensive formations, and the overall athletic talen of the competition. Guys are faster, jump higher, hit harder, and are smarter at almost every position. It's the best of the best at this point.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I am betting on that Cam shuts up because he downright sucks - its time to retire Cam and let the kid start

 

[Zuma]

Their is less then zero percent chance the Pats will make a decision when Mac will start before the season even starts.

 

[jdlboot14]

Why don't people give Meyers the credit he deserves? He produced as a rookie, with an all-time grumpy Brady - which never happens. He was the ONLY player on offense worth a damn in the disaster of last year. And now he's the most experienced offensive player on the team. He runs great routes, catches in traffic, and finds space... I think he's going to be the clear #1 as Bourne, Agholor and Gunner rotate being #2/3/4 in targets.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

A thread about the Cam Newton and we’re talking about Tom Brady.

 

[PScottman]

Guys are faster, jump higher, hit harder, and are smarter at almost every position. It's the best of the best at this point.

I'll take this further - the more balanced talent across the entire league allows teams to specifically take away what opposing teams, and more importantly young QBs, are good at and/or like to do. If they are read/react - make them hold the ball. Run at first sign of trouble - show them man/play zone and shadow - ad infinitum.

While scouting and game planning has likewise fully infiltrated the college game as well, the talent disparity to execute those gamelans remains so significant that it's much more rare to see a QB's tendencies "game planned out" as much as it is in the pros.

 

[PatsWSB47]

DID!

I don't think I get your point

 

[‘Mondre]

I don't think I get your point

Yea I made the mistake of not reading your post before responding. You started waxing poetic about tb12 and I just pulled the trigger.

larger point == if the “patriot way” thing is real, then one player never goes above the team. It’s easy to practice that as a fan when it’s a guy you don’t like or think we need...

 

[‘Mondre]

This is such a ridiculous bad take.

Moving on from Brady without a viable replacement is where Bill screwed up royally and of course in year one literally, Brady was hoisting the Lombardi with a new team, new conference, no off-season due to Covid with a clown as his HC.

Do you care to look up where Arians was ranked in the power rankings as a HC prior to Brady? Because he was at #8 this year.

Na man it’s called gracefully tanking. I’d loooove to tank while also giving a great athlete/guy a shot at redemption (cam) than rolling the dice with keeping and extending tb. Best case we middle, worse case we pick 15, then 20, etc in future drafts.

we weren’t good in ‘19. Our best defensive players were/are in the back end of their careers, and having a mediocre team, with the goat, will, as we saw, get you to one and Nobody was going to pile up on social media begging to join tb bc his roster spot here wasn’t a novelty like in tb.

also nobody’s bringing up how we’ll need to draft a new Hightower. Then KEEP/PAY him. dont see how tb12 is part of the ‘20-‘25 “plans” for the roster.

now see... had we been able to keep/develop jimmy and trade tb for a massive haul... dynasty v3 might be even closer to the horizon.

 

[captain stone]

I don't know if that's the game I throw the rookie to the wolves on. I'm thinking it's either Week 1, Newton injury, or Week 6-8 depending on how well Netwon is playing and what Mac is showing in practice.

Mac has played in a lot of big games, but it was still college and it takes time to adjust to what's open in the NFL, vs. open in college, the speed of the game, the complexity of the defensive formations, and the overall athletic talen of the competition. Guys are faster, jump higher, hit harder, and are smarter at almost every position. It's the best of the best at this point.

Agree...If Cam is the reason the Pats aren't at least 6-3 heading into week 10 vs Cleveland, then this might be game for Mac to be given his first NFL start...Same story If they aren't at least 8-5 at the bye...