Red Throwbacks To Return (Hopefully) 2023 at the earliest

[Pape]

I suppose, but we can already get red jerseys from the Pats Pro Shop, and I presume they are licensed:

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Have always been able to get the reds in the proshop

 

[Bill Lee]

Have always been able to get the reds in the proshop

And knock-offs too.

The real question is, what is in it for the team to spend the money on new helmets and unis if you can already get red ones everywhere?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

please read...

SOL

 

[Pape]

And knock-offs too.

The real question is, what is in it for the team to spend the money on new helmets and unis if you can already get red ones everywhere?

because people buy what they see on tv?

 

[Jim Beankie]

49ers had some great players and success in their history, including decades of support, prior to going 2-14 in consecutive seasons. When Montana/Walsh era launched they kept their established and loved logo and uniforms. Unlike us, their fans got to see their team they rooted for all those years win it all.

Funny that you mention that. I was originally going to write that maybe there's something about red uniforms that makes the opposition play harder, like the idea that bullfighters use a red cape to instigate a bull. However, I quickly remembered that bulls are color blind to red, and like you said, the 49ers had their dynasty.

 

[Jim Beankie]

because people buy what they see on tv?

Especially the kids up to age 25 or so who've been used to Elvis.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Especially the kids up to age 25 or so who've been used to Elvis.

flying elvis=Soylent Green

 

[captain stone]

As noted above, the real logo's attire is completely historically accurate. The red/white/blue color scheme is completely appropriate and patriotic. Blue is the most common and drab uniform color used in the league. The Patriots' established (33 years) and attractive home red jersey was theirs alone including that particular shade of red.

The newly formed United States of America did not immediately enact laws and regulations mandating that medical science dedicate itself to changing the color of human blood due to the British Empire's (or the Roman's) use of red. The U.S. flag is mostly colored red.

Massachusetts regiments adopted a standard blue topcoat as their official uniform during the revolution...when they could afford uniforms that is...

 

[BennyBledsoe]

You probably don't want to go for the historical angle....

Brown and off-white were some of the more popular color choices for the Continental Army. Even green uniforms at least equaled or surpassed the blue. There were even some red uniforms in there after raids on British supplies.

The only consistently blue uniforms were worn by the Hessian soldiers. The Hessians fought on the side of the British.

The Continental Army being identified as blue is inaccurate for most of the war. Unless you want to go with the last couple years of the eight year (1775-1783) war.

 

[captain stone]

You probably don't want to go for the historical angle....

Brown and off-white were some of the more popular color choices for the Continental Army. Even green uniforms at least equaled or surpassed the blue. There were even some red uniforms in there after raids on British supplies.

The only consistently blue uniforms were worn by the Hessian soldiers. The Hessians fought on the side of the British.

The Continental Army being identified as blue is inaccurate for most of the war. Unless you want to go with the last couple years of the eight year (1775-1783) war.

Each state/region had their particular colors...For Massachusetts it was blue.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Unofficially, there were a fair amount of them, yes You'd have to wait until 1779/1780 for a standardization to occur and even then, it wasn't universal. There were still many who were still wearing the older brown uniforms.

Just pointing out that 'just blue' is inaccurate historically for the whole of the Continental Army for the vast majority of the war.

 

[Jim Beankie]

This has always confused me.
How was it unsafe to have 2 helmets of the same make, model, and size, but with a different paint job?

I finally crawled out of the cave I've been sleeping in for the last decade and found out that this rule exists. In addition to your point, why can't the offense and defense wear the 2 different helmets (or more) in practice to rotate them to get around the "need time to break in" concern? If it's just in the name of safety, the rule is astoundingly and insultingly ridiculous. This is making me way more angry than it should - and I haven't even started drinking.

 

[Tunescribe]

You probably don't want to go for the historical angle....

Brown and off-white were some of the more popular color choices for the Continental Army. Even green uniforms at least equaled or surpassed the blue. There were even some red uniforms in there after raids on British supplies.

The only consistently blue uniforms were worn by the Hessian soldiers. The Hessians fought on the side of the British.

The Continental Army being identified as blue is inaccurate for most of the war. Unless you want to go with the last couple years of the eight year (1775-1783) war.

Huh? No.

What Color Were the Colonial Uniforms in the Revolutionary War? | Synonym

The Continental Army Blue Coats​

The Continental Army wore white breeches and white vests under blue coats. Trim varied according to regiment. Drummers and fifers typically wore the reverse color combination of the rest of their regiment. New Englanders wore blue coats trimmed and lined in white, while their drummers and fifers wore white coats trimmed in blue. The coats of New York and New Jersey soldiers had buff trim and were lined in white. The middle colony regiments of Pennsylvania and Delaware, and Maryland and Virginia regiments, wore coats trimmed in red with white lining. The Carolinas and Georgia dressed in blue coats trimmed in blue with button holes edged in white. All Continental soldiers generally wore ****ed, tricorn hats.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Huh, yes. It wouldn't be until 1779 that Washington designated a blue uniform. Nothing was official until then. It was very loosely organized and consisted of whatever they could bring together, this included green, brown, buff, and so on, even red. Your source refers to the post-1779 efforts to standardize the uniforms by Washington. Blue fabric was in short supply. What Type of Uniforms Did Revolutionary War Soldiers Wear? One of many sources on the subject. Please bear in mind I mean no ill will towards a contrary stance, I am just providing information I have from years of research as a degree-holding historian (whatever you want to think of that! ).

 

[Tunescribe]

Huh, yes. It wouldn't be until 1779 that Washington designated a blue uniform. Nothing was official until then. It was very loosely organized and consisted of whatever they could bring together, this included green, brown, buff, and so on, even red. Your source refers to the post-1779 efforts to standardize the uniforms by Washington. Blue fabric was in short supply. What Type of Uniforms Did Revolutionary War Soldiers Wear? One of many sources on the subject. Please bear in mind I mean no ill will towards a contrary stance, I am just providing information I have from years of research as a degree-holding historian (whatever you want to think of that! ).

You're splitting hairs (the Hessians wore green, BTW). Even if Washington made it "official" in 1779, BLUE was the uniform color of choice and worn in battle before then as a function of contrast with the British red coats. The Revolutionary War lasted until 1783 anyway so there's nothing historically inaccurate about the New England Patriots adopting that uniform color. From that perspective the Pats wearing red makes no sense at all -- the ENEMY wore red.

Uniforms of the United States Army - Wikipedia

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In 1774, a blue Continental Army coat, with state facing colors, and white waistcoat and breeches or overalls was worn. The origin of "blue" as the primary uniform color is earlier during the Colonial period of the Continental Association or First Continental Congress which met in Philadelphia, PA and adjourned on October 26, 1774.

 

[Pape]

You're splitting hairs (the Hessians wore green, BTW). Even if Washington made it "official" in 1779, BLUE was the uniform color of choice and worn in battle before then as a function of contrast with the British red coats. The Revolutionary War lasted until 1783 anyway so there's nothing historically inaccurate about the New England Patriots adopting that uniform color. From that perspective the Pats wearing red makes no sense at all -- the ENEMY wore red.

Uniforms of the United States Army - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 1774, a blue Continental Army coat, with state facing colors, and white waistcoat and breeches or overalls was worn. The origin of "blue" as the primary uniform color is earlier during the Colonial period of the Continental Association or First Continental Congress which met in Philadelphia, PA and adjourned on October 26, 1774.

Huh, yes. It wouldn't be until 1779 that Washington designated a blue uniform. Nothing was official until then. It was very loosely organized and consisted of whatever they could bring together, this included green, brown, buff, and so on, even red. Your source refers to the post-1779 efforts to standardize the uniforms by Washington. Blue fabric was in short supply. What Type of Uniforms Did Revolutionary War Soldiers Wear? One of many sources on the subject. Please bear in mind I mean no ill will towards a contrary stance, I am just providing information I have from years of research as a degree-holding historian (whatever you want to think of that! ).

How bout the Patriots early uniforms were inspired by the American flag?

Red, White & Blue... with the Red signifying Hardiness and Valor...

If the Patriots were going to be named after the Continental Militia, then they should have been named the Boston Minutemen, not the Patriots, which is not specific, a more generalized term, as we all know

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

How bout the Patriots early uniforms were inspired by the American flag?

Red, White & Blue... with the Red signifying Hardiness and Valor...

If the Patriots were going to be named after the Continental Militia, then they should have been named the Boston Minutemen, not the Patriots, which is not specific, a more generalized term, as we all know

I feel kind of responsible for this...

During the revolutionary period, football uniforms were...wait they didn't play it because it wasn't invented yet. Countless patriotic athletic teams including American Olympic teams have worn primary red.

The Colts, Texans, Giants et al. are our opponents. They wear blue.

Pretending we weren't good and we didn't have the best uniforms and historically appropriate logo for 32 years insults all the great players and people we had along with the fans who unanimously chose it, and is complicit with media propaganda that we were worse than when we we never even as bad as over a dozen franchises who unlike us did in fact suck for decades.

Our longest losing stretch is seven (7) seasons.

American Cowboys did not dress in primary blue or white.

 

[Pape]

I feel kind of responsible for this...

you were not the first, nor will you be the last to have an opinion regarding the Patriot uniform colors & mascot...

 

[Tunescribe]

Some folks get confused ... Which is which?

 

[Pape]

Some folks get confused ... Which is which?

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A. Camera Tripod... which as we all know, cannot be located on a sideline during the game, and can only be located in a lock room which is inaccessible to team staff during a game

B. Pat Patriot created by Phil Bissell in 1960 ... who as we see is wearing a Blue Coat! the original cartoon did have red trim and red socks... hmmm that woulda been a good name originally, the Boston Red Stockings... hmmm