Niners down to 2 choices Rap Sheet

[50-yard-line]

No, I mean JAG. The top QB prospects are at different stages of readiness. Shanahan's offense calls for a QB who can stay on script, do a few specific things, and not try to take too much onto himself. A QB like, for example, Lance, may be up to a year or two away from that. So, if you're a decent enough QB (in this case, JAG), you'll have some time to shine with a team that's got a lot of talent. Then, even if you move on after this season, or next, you'll have put some good stuff on tape, and had a chance to have being healthy as something teams remember about your last run with the team.


And just because you have no idea what the 49ers are doing, you make the assumption that Shanahan is flailing, which is dubious, at best. Why?

I get that, sure - but, as I've said before, if I'm Jimmy, I want to get into a situation where the job is mine to lose (and with some guaranteed money), not one where they're waiting for me to die to begin their sunshine years.

And I said "flailing" because there is nothing good for SF coming out of that statement. I've already seen the national/Boston writers jumping all over it with comments like: there goes Jimmy's trade value. KS is essentially devaluing one of his assets and very possibly causing hard feelings.

I don't see things as cut and dried "how much are you paying me?" situations. My guess with Jimmy is that he could land a pretty good deal right now. The down side is a fall off the cliff, Trubisky style (if he gets benched for a kid), the upside minimal. Comments like this also reinforce the impatience of the fans he'll be playing before.

There was no reason for KS to phrase it the way he did.

 

[PittPatriot]

It's starting to feel like Fields is gonna drop down to like 9 or 10. Seems stupid to me. He's got all the tools, just depends on what kind of mental makeup grade the Pats put on him. Some of the criticism is so overblown. He'd be the first overall pick in some years.

Who do you see as a pro equivalent to him?
Not that it matters, but when is the last time in Ohio State quarterback (besides overrated Haskins) played a game in the NFL?

 

[Hyped]

The league used to allow that, but then correctly felt that the drama of the commish announcing the first-round picks would be eliminated...Reporters also used to name the picks throughout the first round before they were officially announced, and the league put a stop to that too.

I knew that the league put a stop to reporters yakking on twitter....but never knew that teams used to announce picks before the draft. Pretty cool....

 

[50-yard-line]

I knew that the league put a stop to reporters yakking on twitter....but never knew that teams used to announce picks before the draft. Pretty cool....

Since the draft is so wildly popular on a network station, not giving it all away means ratings and ratings mean money.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Not that it matters, but when is the last time in Ohio State quarterback (besides overrated Haskins) played a game in the NFL?

Weren't a lot of people saying the same thing about Oregon and Justin Hebert last year?

 

[PittPatriot]

Weren't a lot of people saying the same thing about Oregon and Justin Hebert last year?

Not sure about the hype around Herbert.
He turned out to be a very good quarterback, so far.
Oregon has put some quarterbacks in the NFL:
Akli Smith
Joey Harrington
AJ Feely
Kellen Clemens
Marcus Mariota

I don’t think Ohio State has put anyone out there.

 

[XLIX]

Go to the Super Bowl?

That's the point I was trying to make. You basically have to go to - and win - the Super Bowl to look smart.

Now suppose he throws 4,500 yards, 35 TD's against 16 INT's (I am figuring on a 17 game season) but, for whatever reason, it's an early exit from the playoffs. What's the next step?

 

[XLIX]

All it means is it rehabs his trade value and they can command more in return in a trade next offseason. Unless Mac Jones (or whoever the QB winds up being) doesn’t show enough to be ready for 2022 either in which case the 49ers can just ride out the final year of Garoppolo’s contract.

They didn't spend all that draft capital to move up to #3 with the intent of drafting a clipboard-holder for 2 years.

 

[XLIX]

The horror!

What's worse is then you'd have a Super Bowl contending QB in the event that your #3 overall pick turns out to be a bust (which is fairly common), OR you get to trade JG for a king's ransom if your #3 overall pick looks like the real deal.

What a horrible predicament to be in...

Winning a Super Bowl solves all problems.

Now what do you do in my hypothetical if Garoppolo plays very well and they they don't win the Super Bowl?

 

[Lansdowne]

Who do you see as a pro equivalent to him?
Not that it matters, but when is the last time in Ohio State quarterback (besides overrated Haskins) played a game in the NFL?

There’s three possible answers even if not including Haskins

Joe Burrow played QB for Ohio State before transferring to LSU, does he count?

If not, then technically, Terrelle Pryor is the last Ohio State QB to play in the NFL as of 2018. Even though it was as a receiver.

If he has to have come out of Ohio State as a QB and played in the NFL as a QB, then the answer is Cardale Jones in 2016.

If the question is has Ohio State ever had a successful QB both in NCAA and NFL? The answer is not yet, but then you have to ask if they’ve ever had an NFL QB prospect as good as Justin Fields before.

 

[Lansdowne]

They didn't spend all that draft capital to move up to #3 with the intent of drafting a clipboard-holder for 2 years.

Cool, so you agree with my first sentence then:

“All it means is it rehabs his trade value and they can command more in return in a trade next offseason.”

 

[PittPatriot]

There’s three possible answers even if not including Haskins

Joe Burrow played QB for Ohio State before transferring to LSU, does he count?

If not, then technically, Terrelle Pryor is the last Ohio State QB to play in the NFL as of 2018. Even though it was as a receiver.

If he has to have come out of Ohio State as a QB and played in the NFL as a QB, then the answer is Cardale Jones in 2016.

If the question is has Ohio State ever had a successful QB both in NCAA and NFL? The answer is not yet, but then you have to ask if they’ve ever had an NFL QB prospect as good as Justin Fields before.

Fields is great. He may be the next RW3 but he is as much Georgia Bulldog as Burrow is from Ohio State.
Sure, you can hang your hat on Cardale Jones’ 6 lifetime NFL completions.

 

[Ross12]

Who do you see as a pro equivalent to him?
Not that it matters, but when is the last time in Ohio State quarterback (besides overrated Haskins) played a game in the NFL?

Tough to say for a comp, but he kinda makes me think of Russell Wilson but a bit bigger and faster. I don't worry that much about "when was the last time" etc... at the end of the day each player is their own guy. How well Dwayne Haskins did obviously has no effect on who Justin Fields is.

 

[Ross12]

They didn't spend all that draft capital to move up to #3 with the intent of drafting a clipboard-holder for 2 years.

Yeah, IMO, Jones makes some amount of sense from this viewpoint - they want a guy who can start right away and be good (maybe not elite, but good) while playing on a comparatively cheap contract that they control for 5 years. Their lack of 1st rounders for the next couple seasons will be somewhat mitigated by having more cap space to pay for talent. You're losing essentially 2 players but gaining theoretically around $25M (or more) a year in cap space you otherwise wouldn't have if you were paying a non-rookie QB. That'll pay for at least a few good players year-over-year.

 

[Lansdowne]

Fields is great. He may be the next RW3 but he is as much Georgia Bulldog as Burrow is from Ohio State.
Sure, you can hang your hat on Cardale Jones’ 6 lifetime NFL completions.

So then you’re penalizing Fields because all the Ohio State QB’s before him have failed, is that right?

I was replying tongue-in-cheek because you weren’t specific in your question, so I answered based on the possible interpretations.

 

[Ring 6]

Let's see
Fields to start some in October
Lance to start the 2024 season

With Lance available, MAYBE Jimmy would be there are a 2 year QB.

There is no way in the world Lance doesn’t start until 2024.

But if Jimmy would cut his pay in half, getting him in addition to trading up for a QB would be great.

 

[Sicilian]

Winning a Super Bowl solves all problems.

Now what do you do in my hypothetical if Garoppolo plays very well and they they don't win the Super Bowl?

That was the hypothetical I was already thinking about. If Jimmy plays really well, whether they seal the deal at the end of not, his value is boosted. Let's say they take Jones at #3: If he doesn't look good at all in a redshirt year behind JG, you still have a QB who you know can play well for you. If Jones looks good enough to take over in year 2, you have a QB who played well and now has increased trade value. Unless Jimmy is going to be a locker room lawyer and kill your team chemistry, there's really on downside to keeping him for 2021, and there's never really been a reason to think that JG is that kind of bad apple.

Now, if they get a great deal that they can't pass up, then the value conversation shifts. But I don't think there's any NEED to move him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He struggles to read defenses from what I’ve heard.

I’m pretty sure that’s been debunked. The Patriots drafted Garrapolo in the 2nd round and he didn’t have a playbook in college. And I don’t see Belichick going after him if that’s his weakness.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So then you’re penalizing Fields because all the Ohio State QB’s before him have failed, is that right?

I was replying tongue-in-cheek because you weren’t specific in your question, so I answered based on the possible interpretations.

Was Joe Namath the last great Alabama QB? Or was it A.J.McCarron?

 

[Lansdowne]

Was Joe Namath the last great Alabama QB? Or was it A.J.McCarron?

In the context of NFL success, neither, it was Ken Stabler. College success, the last great Alabama QB was Mac Jones.