If We Pick At 15

[Ivan]

Similar to WRs there is a love affair in this forum with pass rushers that exceeds the Patriots' value propositions in regards to single skill to draft capital to cap room.

There is particularly not high value placed on single skill players on the defensive side of the ball when the Pats have had a high pick in the first round. Now if this kid is a true five tool player, plays the run as well as rushes the passer as well as has a high football IQ - THEN the possibility rises immensely of selection. But if he's just a pass rusher - what evidence is there of the Patriots historically selecting a single high skill guy in the early first round (especially defensively)?

Well, he’s not “ just a pass rusher,” and he is an exceptional prospect, and it’s starting to look more and more like he’s not going to make to #15.
Right now the Patriots have to be looking at how to win without the best QB, and a great defense and a strong run game are keys to achieving that. And the Patriots will now have 3 top ten draft choice QB’s in their division. What’s the best way to make their lives miserable, a dominant pass rush. Combine this with a dominant run game and you can chew up the clock and get opposing offenses of the field quickly, and they will almost always give you a good shot at winning that game.

 

[50-yard-line]

Well, he’s not “ just a pass rusher,” and he is an exceptional prospect, and it’s starting to look more and more like he’s not going to make to #15.
Right now the Patriots have to be looking at how to win without the best QB, and a great defense and a strong run game are keys to achieving that. And the Patriots will now have 3 top ten draft choice QB’s in their division. What’s the best way to make their lives miserable, a dominant pass rush. Combine this with a dominant run game and you can chew up the clock and get opposing offenses of the field quickly, and they will almost always give you a good shot at winning that game.

How many Wolverines will BB put on our line? like a Rutgers secondary all over again!

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Assuming San Fran takes fields at 3, we could (maybe) see Jones and parsons both available at 15.

which would bb take or would he trade down?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Assuming San Fran takes fields at 3, we could (maybe) see Jones and parsons both available at 15.

which would bb take or would he trade down?

Amazing question. This is real hard. If Mac Jones or Parsons are both there ? I gotta go with Mac but my lead inclination is to go defense first with either Parsons, Paye, Horn if available there. I just think Mac fits a lot of what we need for a passing attack.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Amazing question. This is real hard. If Mac Jones or Parsons are both there ? I gotta go with Mac but my lead inclination is to go defense first with either Parsons, Paye, Horn if available there. I just think Mac fits a lot of what we need for a passing attack.

if jones is there at 15, bb can call Washington or New Orleans and rape either of them.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

if jones is there at 15, bb can call Washington or New Orleans and rape either of them.

Then take a sleeper Mond or Mills

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

if jones is there at 15, bb can call Washington or New Orleans and rape either of them.

It would be very surprising if Jones is there at 15 (SF takes him at 3). If he is, the Patriots take him. He has the second most accurate arm in this draft class (with Zack Wilson having the best); it would be a shame to let him slide through our fingers.

BTW, I feel that Jacksonville should take Wilson. Then Lawrence falls to the Jets and BB would be able to torment him twice a year.

 

[PScottman]

Well, he’s not “ just a pass rusher,” and he is an exceptional prospect, and it’s starting to look more and more like he’s not going to make to #15.
Right now the Patriots have to be looking at how to win without the best QB, and a great defense and a strong run game are keys to achieving that. And the Patriots will now have 3 top ten draft choice QB’s in their division. What’s the best way to make their lives miserable, a dominant pass rush. Combine this with a dominant run game and you can chew up the clock and get opposing offenses of the field quickly, and they will almost always give you a good shot at winning that game.

And that's the thing - I don't have any hubris regarding ability to scout, evaluate, draft football players. Not only can I not tell the future, neither can anyone else - and that's all a draft is - an educated guess, but if a kid can do four or five things really well athletically as well as has a demonstrated ability to absorb, and then repeat physically, knowledge - that educated guess is probably a much higher percentage gamble. It sounds like this kid may be one of those multi-talents which would pique the Patriots interest, but then he may not either.

That said, I also don't have any historical precedence with the Patriots under Belichick that "pass rush" as just one of those skills is rated higher than any other defensive skill. In fact, if past drafting holds true, he tends to try and fill that niche later or via veterans that have demonstrated the ability over time (Anderson, Carter, etc). Patriots teams don't tend to "harm" young QBs with "ears pinned back" pass rush, but instead scheme complexity and "setting them up" by showing them something over and over to get them comfortable with a look only to change it in a certain pressure situation.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Casserly has Justin Fields going at #24 to the Steelers lol

not a chance in hell he falls that far, and i would basically call for BB to be fired if he passed on fields at 15

 

[Ivan]

How many Wolverines will BB put on our line? like a Rutgers secondary all over again!

And that worked out really well. Michigan gets a lot of top end talent, Paye is a great prospect, I like this draft class, I think there is a ton of talent in it.

 

[Ivan]

And that's the thing - I don't have any hubris regarding ability to scout, evaluate, draft football players. Not only can I not tell the future, neither can anyone else - and that's all a draft is - an educated guess, but if a kid can do four or five things really well athletically as well as has a demonstrated ability to absorb, and then repeat physically, knowledge - that educated guess is probably a much higher percentage gamble. It sounds like this kid may be one of those multi-talents which would pique the Patriots interest, but then he may not either.

That said, I also don't have any historical precedence with the Patriots under Belichick that "pass rush" as just one of those skills is rated higher than any other defensive skill. In fact, if past drafting holds true, he tends to try and fill that niche later or via veterans that have demonstrated the ability over time (Anderson, Carter, etc). Patriots teams don't tend to "harm" young QBs with "ears pinned back" pass rush, but instead scheme complexity and "setting them up" by showing them something over and over to get them comfortable with a look only to change it in a certain pressure situation.

I agree with much of what you are saying, you make some very good points, but there is always a top tier of talent in every draft that usually only runs 8-12 players deep, and that’s a a tier of players that the Patriots never have a shot at, and that always includes the top pass rusher. Once you go pass that tier things level out to some degree, and I think that changes the way you have to look at it. In this instance the QB’s are pushing the best talent at other positions down a bit, which puts guys like Paye and Horn in play depending upon how the board falls on draft night, And as the draft gets closer it’s looking more and more like Paye will be gone when the Patriots pick, in which case you have to have a series of back up plans, fortunately in this draft there are a number of ways they can play it, and the only thing that matters in the end is getting it right. And if there is a run on all the top players at their positions of need then they could go BPA, or start trading back to pick up more day 2 picks. M choice of Paye was based upon 10 or so locks being gone when they pick, but if he joins that group then it means they have to look elsewhere. I would love to see a proxy thread starting at #6 on draft night, to lock in the top choices people here are making.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Belichick Burns Down Mac Jones’ Childhood Home to See How He Deals with Pressure — The Sports Memery

“We’ve decided not to draft Mac Jones” Said Bill Belichick during an impromptu press conference he called outside the smoldering remains of the home Mac Jones first learned to walk in. The months leading up to the draft are an intense period for both teams and draft prospects. Teams have to rely

www.thesportsmemery.com

 

[BayAreaPatsFan]

"Indefinitely" ?? One season = indefinitely??

Not just indefinitely one poster remarked that if we dont get a QB this draft we will be "spiraling downards to jetsville" . Step away from the ledge, please !!

 

[scout]

Not just indefinitely one poster remarked that if we dont get a QB this draft we will be "spiraling downards to jetsville" . Step away from the ledge, please !!

Speaking of the Jets. Just read an article on a draft story.

Scott Pioli tells great story about Patriots outsmarting Jets in 2001 NFL Draft

Former Patriots exec Scott Pioli told an amazing story on NFL Network about how the Patriots outsmarted the New York Jets to draft left tackle Matt Light in 2001.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ochmed Jones]

At 15, I would be happy with....

1.) qb jones
2.) cb horn
3.) lb parsons
4.) cb newsome
5.) trade down

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

At 15, I would be happy with....

1.) qb jones
2.) cb horn
3.) lb parsons
4.) cb newsome
5.) trade down

6.) EDGE Paye

 

[rochrist]

Should be hard for anyone to resist taking Horn. Doubt he will be there. Maybe Paye? Hopefully the 5 QBs, the 3 WRs and Pitts, plus a couple of OTs, so that someone falls to us.

I'd expect Horn or Surtain to be there. I'd prefer Horn but either way.

 

[rochrist]

Casserly has Justin Fields going at #24 to the Steelers lol

not a chance in hell he falls that far, and i would basically call for BB to be fired if he passed on fields at 15

Who's been wrong more often than Charlie Casserly?

 

[PScottman]

Who's been wrong more often than Charlie Casserly?

According to a lot of people on this board: Bill Belichick - at least when it comes to drafting.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Who's been wrong more often than Charlie Casserly?

Josh McDaniels?

But I enjoy Casserly's stilted Chicago accent (queue Dan Aykroyd in an SNL skit) and his toupee.