Kraft acknowledges drafting woes, says approach is changing

[patsinthesnow]

It's conjecture for sure but after watching Brady win in year one with Arians and Licht with no off-season at age 43, I think it is absolutely fair to say other GMs could have had Bill's success with Brady and perhaps surpassed it because Brady did not ask for the moon on his contracts which directly helped Bill put a better roster around him year after year.

Fair enough. Licht hasn’t had a first round pick in the 20s yet. He drafted a kicker in the second round. He drafted Winston with the 1st pick & Hargreaves 11th overall.

His last 3 first round picks (pick 5, 13 & 12) have been top notch however. He’s been hot recently & that’s what matters for the Bucs sake.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

The most interesting thing I noticed was how easy this postseason/Super Bowl victory was for Tom without Bill/Pats. The only resistance came against the Packers in a late comeback. But every Super Bowl appearance during his time with the Pats was a f***ing struggle.

It's amazing what having talent on both sides of the ball can do with a GOAT QB. Would've made Bill's job a lot easier and made him virtually unbeatable.

It's simple.

The AFC had superior teams through the years. 2020 was lousy football.

The Patriots go 9-0 against 2020 Tampa. Actually, it would be like 11-0 because 2007 and 2016 would have lapped them.

It's not even up for debate.....so don't show your usual cluelessness and try to debate it.

 

[Deus Irae]

perhaps you can elaborate rather than resort to the snarky response.

I've mentioned it before. We're months past the Super Bowl, and people keep using the argument you did, despite the fact that it's a godawful argument.

• Rodgers threw the worst interception of the game (picked at the TB 49 a/k/a essentially midfield)
• The 3 Brady interceptions were picked at the GB 32, GB 3, and GB 24
• Brady's worst pick, field position-wise, was capitalized on. The picks that were deeper in GB territory were harmless, as the percentages would dictate.
• Brady's 3rd pick was on a 3rd and 2, meaning any incomplete would have resulted in a punting situation, and the throw ended up being the equivalent of a 30 yard punt from around midfield.
• The only scoring that Green Bay did in the 4th quarter came after the Bucs FG and kick that left the Packers starting from outside their 30 (34 yard line)

 

[TheRainMaker]

....

 

[resdubwhite]

I've mentioned it before. We're months past the Super Bowl, and people keep using the argument you did, despite the fact that it's a godawful argument.

• Rodgers threw the worst interception of the game (picked at the TB 49 a/k/a essentially midfield)
• The 3 Brady interceptions were picked at the GB 32, GB 3, and GB 24
• Brady's worst pick, field position-wise, was capitalized on. The picks that were deeper in GB territory were harmless, as the percentages would dictate.
• Brady's 3rd pick was on a 3rd and 2, meaning any incomplete would have resulted in a punting situation, and the throw ended up being the equivalent of a 30 yard punt from around midfield.
• The only scoring that Green Bay did in the 4th quarter came after the Bucs FG and kick that left the Packers starting from outside their 30 (34 yard line)

• not even close to being the worst. Anyway, it should have been called back for a jersey hold. Furthermore. we're not talking about Rodgers we're talking about Bradys picks so this is a straw man. I'm not arguing that Rodgers is a better QB.
• That's two deep throws and a high throw thats Evans grabbed at. Brady responsible clearly for 1 of them and 50/50 for the Evans one. 100 percent gave points away on that one. Third one could be argued that the Rb missed the block and that brady was about to be creamed by the rusher. I can see why someone could say thats not totally on him too.
• So TB wanted to give the ball away? Again, I'm not sure what the point is? Turnovers are bad.
• missed block and overthrow of receiver. If Cam does that you would lose your ****. No actually you'd probably blame Belichick.
• has nothing to do with the turnovers so lets stick to the point.

Brady had a really really good first half, the first and final drives were outstanding. I just don't see why he's immune to any sort of constructive criticism. He had a poor second half and that's beyond argument but not for you apparently. that game ended up closer than it should have been.

 

[Deus Irae]

not even close to being the worst. Anyway, it should have been called back for a jersey hold. Furthermore. we're not talking about Rodgers we're talking about Bradys picks so this is a straw man. I'm not arguing that Rodgers is a better QB.

If you can't even admit that the Rodgers pick was the worst pick of the game, you have a problem with reality. So there's no need to continue this.


Once you get to the point where you can admit that a pick at midfield is a worse pick than a pick deep in opposing territory (remember, the context is the defense supposedly saving the game),

True. Flip side of that coin is the 3 picks in the GB game. Honestly that could have turned it and was saved by their D.

we can start this again. Until then, you're just talking crazy.

 

[resdubwhite]

If you can't even admit that the Rodgers pick was the worst pick of the game, you have a problem with reality. So there's no need to continue this.


Once you get to the point where you can admit that a pick at midfield is a worse pick than a pick deep in opposing territory (remember, the context is the defense supposedly saving the game),





we can start this again. Until then, you're just talking crazy.

you really don't like being challenged with logic do you? Again, the Rodgers pick was a penalty. 100%. you go ahead and try to get the last word in if you need to.

their d makes a huge goal line stop to win that game. That is irrefutable. You can argue the GB sideline lost their **** but it was still a goaline stop that sends TB to the superbowl if you want to get pedantic about it.

 

[50-yard-line]

The most interesting thing I noticed was how easy this postseason/Super Bowl victory was for Tom without Bill/Pats. The only resistance came against the Packers in a late comeback. But every Super Bowl appearance during his time with the Pats was a f***ing struggle.

It's amazing what having talent on both sides of the ball can do with a GOAT QB. Would've made Bill's job a lot easier and made him virtually unbeatable.

Tampa Bay's talent comes from picking near the top of the draft every single year. They've got a ton of top-end starters on rookie deals.

And yes, they brought everyone back, using voidable years to back-end, which I think was the right move for them.

Judging the whining from Pats fans over a 7-9 season after 4 SBs in 5 years and a 12-4 playoff appearance tells me that strategy might not be wise here.

 

[amfootball]

Tampa Bay's talent comes from picking near the top of the draft every single year. They've got a ton of top-end starters on rookie deals.

And yes, they brought everyone back, using voidable years to back-end, which I think was the right move for them.

Judging the whining from Pats fans over a 7-9 season after 4 SBs in 5 years and a 12-4 playoff appearance tells me that strategy might not be wise here.

Tampa's success comes from great drafting. Period. Bill blew top picks on Harry and Sony and trading up to get safeties.

 

[Deus Irae]

you really don't like being challenged with logic do you?

I wouldn't know from your post. You didn't offer any logic. Again, we're done until you acknowledge that the Rodgers pick was the worst one thrown in that game, because until you can admit that, you're just talking crazy.

 

[Deus Irae]

Tampa Bay's talent comes from picking near the top of the draft every single year.

The following group was all taken outside the first round, from 2017 on:

Winfield
Bunting
Dean
Johnson
Edwards
Jones
Davis
Kappa
Whitehead
Godwin
Miller


Also, both Smith and Marpet were taken outside the first round in 2015. David was taken in the second round in the 2012 draft.

 

[Biffins]

A more "collaborative" BB...

‘More collaborative’ Bill Belichick part of Patriots’ new draft approach

Robert Kraft spoke about seeing a different approach from his team regarding the draft.

www.patspulpit.com

Something is up for sure.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Something is up for sure.

Like what?

Is someone else shopping for the groceries?

 

[Bill Lee]

It's conjecture for sure but after watching Brady win in year one with Arians and Licht with no off-season at age 43, I think it is absolutely fair to say other GMs could have had Bill's success with Brady and perhaps surpassed it because Brady did not ask for the moon on his contracts which directly helped Bill put a better roster around him year after year.

It's absolutely fair to point out that all those other teams let Brady fall to the 6th round, and we have no way of knowing if Brady would be a shoe salesman somewhere if it wasn't for BB and the rest of the Patriots staff.

Tampa's success comes from great drafting. Period. Bill blew top picks on Harry and Sony and trading up to get safeties.

Who drafted Tampa's QB?

 

[Deus Irae]

Tampa Bay's talent comes from picking near the top of the draft every single year.

The following group was obtained via trade or free agency*.

Brady
Suh
Gronk
Brown
McCoy
Fournette
Succop
Jensen
Barrett





*Brate was a UDFA

 

[TheRainMaker]

The following group was obtained via trade or free agency*.

Brady
Suh
Gronk
Brown
McCoy
Fournette
Succop
Jensen





*Brate was a UDFA

Shaq Barrett was a major sleeper find in FA.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Tampa's success comes from great drafting. Period. Bill blew top picks on Harry and Sony and trading up to get safeties.

Not to mention taking a CB in Williams who wasn't needed over Metcalf, Brown and Samuel. Taking Easley over Tuitt. Dobson over Keenan Allen. Cunningham over Dunlap. Having the first pick in the 2nd round and taking Glass IR Dowling over the Jabaal Sheard. The list goes on.

The excuse of the Pats picking late is a bad one given Bill moves around more than most and there's plenty of talent they passed on.

 

[Deus Irae]

Shaq Barrett was a major sleeper find in FA.

And I forgot to list him. I'll add it now. Thanks

 

[Deus Irae]

So, when you break it down, Tampa has done well enough with its first round picks, but the following are all the home grown 1st round picks that were real contributors to last year's SB (I'm leaving Howard off the list because of how early in the year he got hurt):

Wirfs
White
Vea
Evans


So it hasn't been about high drafting as much as it's been having excellent success, recently, in multiple areas of player acquisition.

 

[sb1]

Like what?

Is someone else shopping for the groceries?

I'm ok with that. Any approach that keeps N'Keal Harry caliber "talent" off the draft board is fine by me.