Path cleared for Jimmy's return? [SF trades for #3 pick]

[Patsgofor4]

Stats are for losers.

Understand that and it makes sense.

So you don’t know either. Anyone else?

Why don’t the Brady ball-washers on this site say that stats are for losers when quoting his 2019 stats, when he clearly had a subpar year? That must only be relevant for every quarterback but Tommy.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Jermaine Wiggins says he has sources that say some Pats players thought he was made of glass while he was in NE.

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/wiggins-explains-how-teammates-viewed-jimmy-garoppolo

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/wiggins-explains-how-teammates-viewed-jimmy-garoppolo

Not a good look for Wiggy, he last played for the Pats in what 2002, making comments about a guy who didn't show up until 2014.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Not a good look for Wiggy, he last played for the Pats in what 2002, making comments about a guy who didn't show up until 2014.

Wiggins has beef with Bill after getting kicked to the curb after the 2001 season.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

So you don’t know either. Anyone else?

Why don’t the Brady ball-washers on this site say that stats are for losers when quoting his 2019 stats, when he clearly had a subpar year? That must only be relevant for every quarterback but Tommy.

The problem here is that people have inferior information. Like with Newton and last year.

This year is not last year so unless one thinks BB wants bad QB play........something's changed.

Likewise with Jimmy G. BB obviously has a plan or concepts yet the same idiots that want to trade 28 1st round picks to move up for anybody can't process the situation.

We would be better served trying to piece together events and scenarios to effect out comes vs mostly mindless chatter.

 

[jah]

Not a good look for Wiggy, he last played for the Pats in what 2002, making comments about a guy who didn't show up until 2014.

I think that's just what former athletes do (at least those who go into media). Don't we have a few old dynasty players who occasionally complain about "the Patriot way being lost" despite 3 more semi-recent Super Bowl wins?

 

[TheRainMaker]

So you don’t know either. Anyone else?

Why don’t the Brady ball-washers on this site say that stats are for losers when quoting his 2019 stats, when he clearly had a subpar year? That must only be relevant for every quarterback but Tommy.

Brady actually had a good year considering what he had to to work with. Stealing a line from Aaron Rodgers, his “sub par” year is a career year for most QB’s.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jermaine Wiggins says he has sources that say some Pats players thought he was made of glass while he was in NE.

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/wiggins-explains-how-teammates-viewed-jimmy-garoppolo

He’d be more believable if he had said Jimmy was a terrible practice player as another former anonymous Pats employee had said along with the 9ers media like Grant Cohn.

 

[Kontradiction]

So you don’t know either. Anyone else?

Why don’t the Brady ball-washers on this site say that stats are for losers when quoting his 2019 stats, when he clearly had a subpar year? That must only be relevant for every quarterback but Tommy.

Have you honestly watched Minshew? Not sure where you’re located, but I’d imagine that you don’t see a ton of Jags games unless you live near this area. Popgun arm, erratic decision-making under pressure, leaves the pocket needlessly when he should be climbing. He’s not the answer. But then, neither is Jimmy G.

 

[Rob0729]

I still

Or maybe - stay with me here - people thinking Garoppolo might be available because of SF's move, his contract, and other, you know, pertinent information, are simply interested in the possibility and enjoy talking about hypotheticals.

I'm not a huge JG fan. I do like his release and have seen some really good flashes from him - but not enough to think he's "THE guy. Fortunately, that's not up to me.

I'm also not a big hater of Cam Newton. I think COVID hit him a lot harder and longer than even he realized - I've watched Jason Tatum since he came back and he's all over the place. Great game, sucky game, sucky game, okay game. He's not the same player.

I also think that Newton is desperate to play well this year and had a full off-season to get at it. Given everything that happened last year, including a non-existent receiving corps, I have no problem with him having another year.

But I find SF's move to #3 fascinating, given that they've got control of JG for two years at >50 million, and that JG isn't a mid-30's QB and is still desperate to put something of a career together. I know BB likes him a lot.

It's worth discussing and considering from a football/human standpoint whether I'm desperate for the guy or not.

I am not ready to accept or reject the COVID excuse for Cam. There is medical evidence that even people with asystematic cases of COVID suffering long term physical issues like fatigue and loss of strength, but I am not sure if that is the case with Cam. Tatum actually got sick.

But I think Garoppolo is in the career rehab stage as much as say a Trubisky or Mariota or Minshew. Garoppolo has different issues and had more success than those guys, but he needs to prove that he can stay healthy and play through paid (as well as not make the stupid mistakes). I think in a lot of ways he needs to prove himself just as much as the other guys. His advantage is he has had on the field success which will guarantee himself another shot as a starter while the other guys could be doomed to be career back ups.

If Garoppolo stays healthy all year and has a good year, whether he is with the 49ers or the Patriots or another team, he can make himself some money no matter where he goes after this year. If he has an injury filled season or a bad season, his time as a starter may be over. I think Jimmy is out of chances. I mean the 49ers have already given up on him as a long term solution.

 

[Rob0729]

Jermaine Wiggins says he has sources that say some Pats players thought he was made of glass while he was in NE.

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/wiggins-explains-how-teammates-viewed-jimmy-garoppolo

Not surprising. He was a game time scratch in that game vs. Buffalo for an injury that there was zero chance Brady would have sat out. When a player misses time with an injury that they know other players would play through, a lot of other players lose respect for that player.

 

[sb1]

Not surprising. He was a game time scratch in that game vs. Buffalo for an injury that there was zero chance Brady would have sat out. When a player misses time with an injury that they know other players would play through, a lot of other players lose respect for that player.

There was a report on WEEI that the team wasn't happy when he had to back out of the Buffalo game.

But that was 5 seasons ago and he's been to a SB since. Bring him in and draft the heir to Brady this year.

 

[sb1]

So you don’t know either. Anyone else?

Why don’t the Brady ball-washers on this site say that stats are for losers when quoting his 2019 stats, when he clearly had a subpar year? That must only be relevant for every quarterback but Tommy.

Throwing for 100 yards in a game wouldn't have been an accomplishment for Brady like it was for Cam last year.

 

[203Pat]

I don't know why everyone thinks that the Jags will be willing to deal Minshew. He is a very cheap capable backup. It's not likely they would get a 1st or second round pick for the guy so why dump him off for a mid round pick?

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Have you honestly watched Minshew? Not sure where you’re located, but I’d imagine that you don’t see a ton of Jags games unless you live near this area. Popgun arm, erratic decision-making under pressure, leaves the pocket needlessly when he should be climbing. He’s not the answer. But then, neither is Jimmy G.

I did have a chance to watch him since I live in the PNW, as he went to my alma matter. He was fun, but he's got a boatload of issues. He looked good in an offense that made a few other average QBs look good too. He's a project, so if anyone is projecting him to be "the answer," they didn't watch him enough. I mean, if people want him because he looked better than Cam, then sure, but so did my grandma last year.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Have you honestly watched Minshew? Not sure where you’re located, but I’d imagine that you don’t see a ton of Jags games unless you live near this area. Popgun arm, erratic decision-making under pressure, leaves the pocket needlessly when he should be climbing. He’s not the answer. But then, neither is Jimmy G.

I am embarrassed to admit how many Jaguars games that I watched in 2019, because of fantasy football. Erratic decision making under pressure and leaving the pocket needlessly describes many rookie quarterbacks. One would hope that some of those issues could be fixed with good coaching. Does he have a strong arm? No. Is his arm strong enough to be effective on deep balls and put points on the scoreboard? Yes.

Gardner Minshew ranked as third-best deep passer by PFF

Despite the Jacksonville Jaguars registering another lackluster win total last season at 6-10, rookie quarterback Gardner Minshew II gave fans something to be excited about going forward. After bei…

jaguarswire.usatoday.com

I’m not contending that he would be the long-term answer but I do believe that he would give them similar, if not better, production than Garoppolo, at a fraction of the cost. I also believe that he would be a better stopgap quarterback than Cam. I would still want them to draft a quarterback in Rd 1 or 2.

 

[Ross12]

Oh boy. If they traded all that to move up to 3 just to take Mac Jones, Lynch should be tested for CTE.

I like Mac, but not THAT much. If you're mortgaging your future for a "high floor, low ceiling" guy... that's just dumb as hell. That also means, though, that one of Fields or Lance will be available at #5. If BB likes one of them specifically and he's available at #5.... I have to wonder what the price tag for that move is/will be.

 

[Ross12]

I am embarrassed to admit how many Jaguars games that I watched in 2019, because of fantasy football. Erratic decision making under pressure and leaving the pocket needlessly describes many rookie quarterbacks. One would hope that some of those issues could be fixed with good coaching. Does he have a strong arm? No. Is his arm strong enough to be effective on deep balls and put points on the scoreboard? Yes.

Gardner Minshew ranked as third-best deep passer by PFF

Despite the Jacksonville Jaguars registering another lackluster win total last season at 6-10, rookie quarterback Gardner Minshew II gave fans something to be excited about going forward. After bei…

jaguarswire.usatoday.com

I’m not contending that he would be the long-term answer but I do believe that he would give them similar, if not better, production than Garoppolo, at a fraction of the cost.

I think some of Minshew's issues would be fixed with coaching, some fixed with a team actually trying to win... Even if he doesn't improve a ton, he's probably better in NE than Cam, and costs little to nothing. I wouldn't want to trade more than one of the 4th rounders, though, due to the uncertainty. They have three 4th's so it's worth a shot. He's mega-cheap and has a couple years left still.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I think some of Minshew's issues would be fixed with coaching, some fixed with a team actually trying to win... Even if he doesn't improve a ton, he's probably better in NE than Cam, and costs little to nothing. I wouldn't want to trade more than one of the 4th rounders, though, due to the uncertainty. They have three 4th's so it's worth a shot. He's mega-cheap and has a couple years left still.

He's a low ceiling guy like Jones. I'd absolutely trade to have him supplant Cam, but I'm still looking for my answer at QB.

 

[Nehalem]

I think some of Minshew's issues would be fixed with coaching, some fixed with a team actually trying to win... Even if he doesn't improve a ton, he's probably better in NE than Cam, and costs little to nothing. I wouldn't want to trade more than one of the 4th rounders, though, due to the uncertainty. They have three 4th's so it's worth a shot. He's mega-cheap and has a couple years left still.

The problem is why would the Jags be willing to trade him for a 4th?