Path cleared for Jimmy's return? [SF trades for #3 pick]

[Sicilian]

Hate to again break it to you guys, but Cam Newton is the WK 1 starter. Even if Bill picks a QB in the later rounds (hopefully), it'll be for competition with Stidham.

Jimmy G is starting in Frisco. We may or may not see a move like Flores with Tua later in the season, but Shanahan isn't so dumb to not have a backup plan in the event his QBOF isn't ready for primetime. JimmyG has 24 million reasons to want to stay regardless of the rook coming in. He has to play lights out this season to increase his value when he gets cut next year.

We can start a new Jimmy G thread in 2022 or just bump this one.

And that's not the worst plan in the world. We're all a little impatient as fans, but a rebuild being done by year 2 is a rare thing, and our bar was set high with the past two decades. I could easily see it playing out like this:

- SF drafts a kid, but keeps JG to start in 2021 so the kid can learn and not get blown up in year 1.
- SF cuts JG in 2022, in whichever time period affects their cap the least.

- NE starts Cam this year, while drafting a kid in round 2 or later (since the best prospects are gone before they pick).
- If that kid (or by some miracle Cam or Stidham) show franchise potential over the course of 2021, they stick with who they have.
- If none of those happen, they sign JG to have a starter they know and like for 3-4 years and take another swing at a long term prospect in 2023 (since early indications are 2022 isn't a great year for college QBs).

It's not sexy, it's not immediate, and it likely means we're a wildcard team at best in 2021. But IMO, it beats trading the farm for the 4th best QB prospect in a draft year where info on these kids is more limited than it typically would be.

 

[Ring 6]

Guess he figures the second time will be better.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

If SF would prefer he stays a year but also asks him to take substantially less money than the $25 million he's scheduled to make, then there would be an opening for JG to demand a trade. Lynch isn't going to get into a mudfight over that, he'll trade him if he can't pay him his scheduled salary. He's not gonna make the guy sit out a year, that's a lose-lose. So while JG only has so much leverage, Lynch also only has so much leverage.

If SF wants him this year and is willing to pay him the $25m, that's the end of the story, he'll stay and play. In that case the only way we get him is to overpay SF with something at least as good as what Indy gave Philly for Wentz: a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year which could escalate to a 1st. SF would kind of be in the drivers seat as far as what picks they demand.

I wish there had been this kind of market for QB's back when we traded JG in the first place.

 

[Ring 6]

And that's not the worst plan in the world. We're all a little impatient as fans, but a rebuild being done by year 2 is a rare thing, and our bar was set high with the past two decades. I could easily see it playing out like this:

- SF drafts a kid, but keeps JG to start in 2021 so the kid can learn and not get blown up in year 1.
- SF cuts JG in 2022, in whichever time period affects their cap the least.

- NE starts Cam this year, while drafting a kid in round 2 or later (since the best prospects are gone before they pick).
- If that kid (or by some miracle Cam or Stidham) show franchise potential over the course of 2021, they stick with who they have.
- If none of those happen, they sign JG to have a starter they know and like for 3-4 years and take another swing at a long term prospect in 2023 (since early indications are 2022 isn't a great year for college QBs).

It's not sexy, it's not immediate, and it likely means we're a wildcard team at best in 2021. But IMO, it beats trading the farm for the 4th best QB prospect in a draft year where info on these kids is more limited than it typically would be.

Anything that involves newton as the starting QB is the worst plan.
We just upgraded half the team and would be effectively forfeiting the season (safari as any hope of competing for a championship) by ignoring the QB position at an historically negligent level. You have one of the best rosters in the nfl and ruin it with a QB who may not be in the top 50.
I trust belichick, so I cannot fathom he will ruin a season by counting on winning despite the worst QB in the league.

 

[Ross12]

IMO where there's smoke there's fire. It's not like Garoppolo is a Watson or Wilson level guy where rumors of a trade for him spark league-wide interest. It's Jimmy Garoppolo. The fact that the rumors have gone on and on and on tells me that someone (Bill? Yee?) is feeding it. If it was completely impossible with no chance, or very little chance, it wouldn't be getting fed constantly like this. Could be wrong but that's my sense of it.

 

[Ring 6]

If SF would prefer he stays a year but also asks him to take substantially less money than the $25 million he's scheduled to make, then there would be an opening for JG to demand a trade. Lynch isn't going to get into a mudfight over that, he'll trade him if he can't pay him his scheduled salary. He's not gonna make the guy sit out a year, that's a lose-lose. So while JG only has so much leverage, Lynch also only has so much leverage.

If SF wants him this year and is willing to pay him the $25m, that's the end of the story, he'll stay and play. In that case the only way we get him is to overpay SF with something at least as good as what Indy gave Philly for Wentz: a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year which could escalate to a 1st. SF would kind of be in the drivers seat as far as what picks they demand.

I wish there had been this kind of market for QB's back when we traded JG in the first place.

That would give him leverage. He has no obligation to take a pay cut so of they require him to he can say no and force a trade or cut. But that’s not really demanding a trade that’s just refusing a pay cut.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

If SF is intending to draft Mac Jones, as Chris Simms seems to think, that changes the equation substantially I think. Mac Jones appears capable of playing in week 1, and they'd be far more likely to trade JG after they select Jones.

 

[Ring 6]

IMO where there's smoke there's fire. It's not like Garoppolo is a Watson or Wilson level guy where rumors of a trade for him spark league-wide interest. It's Jimmy Garoppolo. The fact that the rumors have gone on and on and on tells me that someone (Bill? Yee?) is feeding it. If it was completely impossible with no chance, or very little chance, it wouldn't be getting fed constantly like this. Could be wrong but that's my sense of it.

The funniest thing was schefter reporting they won’t trade him, saying this isn’t a smoke screen, this isn’t a ploy to get leverage, while the exact way they would create either would be to get schefter to report that. Amazing after all these years he doesn’t understand the power of his leaks and why people give him info.

 

[Ring 6]

If SF is intending to draft Mac Jones, as Chris Simms seems to think, that changes the equation substantially I think. Mac Jones appears capable of playing in week 1, and they'd be far more likely to trade JG after they select Jones.

If sf takes Mac Jones we better trade up to 4.

 

[Ross12]

The funniest thing was schefter reporting they won’t trade him, saying this isn’t a smoke screen, this isn’t a ploy to get leverage, while the exact way they would create either would be to get schefter to report that. Amazing after all these years he doesn’t understand the power of his leaks and why people give him info.

Yeah, the part that tells me it's just a leverage play was the fact that he was reporting it almost immediately after the move to #3. It tells me that someone was on the line with him right away telling him to report it to maximize visibility. If it wasn't just a ploy, that info would've probably rolled out a couple days later, if at all.

 

[Ring 6]

If SF is intending to draft Mac Jones, as Chris Simms seems to think, that changes the equation substantially I think. Mac Jones appears capable of playing in week 1, and they'd be far more likely to trade JG after they select Jones.

On one hand it seems nuts that they would trade up to 3 and take the 5th best qb. On the other hand they were trying to trade up to 5, so who knows?

By the way I wouldn’t think jones is more ready to play week 1 than fields.

 

[RIpats88]

This isn't about leverage. You did you listen to Bill last year? He loves Cam. He does not see Cam the way we do. He sees him as a viable, cheap bridge guy. He didn't bring him back with the notion that he would just release him for another bridge guy. My feeling is the Niners told Bill we are not getting rid of Jimmy this year so he signed Cam. It has nothing to do with FA. If it was about Cam being some lure for FAs, we would not have spent a zillion dollars on day one.

I think Jimmy was his plan A they said no, so he went and signed cam. He probably views cam newton as similar to all those backup types still available.

But he probably believes Jimmy is a tier above them.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, the part that tells me it's just a leverage play was the fact that he was reporting it almost immediately after the move to #3. It tells me that someone was on the line with him right away telling him to report it to maximize visibility. If it wasn't just a ploy, that info would've probably rolled out a couple days later, if at all.

Yeah I just think it’s funny that the guy teams use for smoke screens thinks it’s not a smoke screen because they told him that.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

If sf takes Mac Jones we better trade up to 4.

Simms thinks the 49ers take Jones

 

[Ring 6]

This isn't about leverage. You did you listen to Bill last year? He loves Cam. He does not see Cam the way we do. He sees him as a viable, cheap bridge guy. He didn't bring him back with the notion that he would just release him for another bridge guy. My feeling is the Niners told Bill we are not getting rid of Jimmy this year so he signed Cam. It has nothing to do with FA. If it was about Cam being some lure for FAs, we would not have spent a zillion dollars on day one.

This idea that belichick likes newton so that overcomes his sucking at his job is just wrong.
Of course he will replace him if he finds a better option, he literally announced through the media the day he signed newton that he was still looking at all available starting QBs.
I don’t know how that statement produces a belief that he loves cam and won’t replace him. If that was the case why did he pay him like a vs jump?
If he promised him the starting job and had no plans to bring in anyone else why wouldn’t he have paid him like that and guaranteed more money?

 

[RIpats88]

Difference between Jimmy-love and rodgers-love or Brady-jimmy is the latter two really had no danger of losing their starting spots.

Also Jimmy G was a 2nd rounder and jordan love a late first rounder. The Niners literally gave up 3 firsts and a 3rd.

If the kid looks good in camp, Jimmy struggles during the season as he did last year, or ends up missing time and the kid wins games? Jimmy G is not seeing the field again.

Not to mention, every team in the league knows Jimmy is getting released next year. So if you are the niners do you hold onto him and get nothing? Or recoup some draft capital this year that you can use.

That's the motivation for the niners

 

[Ring 6]

Simms thinks the 49ers take Jones

Simms. No different than you or I saying what we think really.

but I hope he is right and we move up to 4 and take fields.

 

[TheBeers]

If SF is adamant about keeping JG then they are not drafting Jones who is ready to start. Seems more like Lance is the target to me.
The only way I can see jimmy coming back to the Pats is if he were to get released. The Pats are not trading for him with his current contract. He would be stupid to take a pay cut so probably get that idea out of play. Plus he has a no trade clause so he doesn’t need to go anywhere if he doesn’t want.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Simms. No different than you or I saying what we think really.

At least he had some hits in the past about qb rankings. This makes me slight more hopefully we still can land the qbotf than i was yesterday after the trade

but I hope he is right and we move up to 4 and take fields.

dito or Lance, like both

 

[Ring 6]

Difference between Jimmy-love and rodgers-love or Brady-jimmy is the latter two really had no danger of losing their starting spots.

Also Jimmy G was a 2nd rounder and jordan love a late first rounder. The Niners literally gave up 3 firsts and a 3rd.

If the kid looks good in camp, Jimmy struggles during the season as he did last year, or ends up missing time and the kid wins games? Jimmy G is not seeing the field again.

Not to mention, every team in the league knows Jimmy is getting released next year. So if you are the niners do you hold onto him and get nothing? Or recoup some draft capital this year that you can use.

That's the motivation for the niners

But most likely they would rather win and not be forced into starting the rookie just to get a 2nd or 3rd when eventually they will get a comp 3 anyway.