Which QB would you like to see the Patriots target in the draft?

[mgteich]

Has BB ever spent this much money in Free Agency???

BB will do what is necessary to rebuild this team and not be embarrassed the way he was last year. There is no set formula...

no team has every spent so much

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The main thing working for us is that some of these QB picks are risky and teams will be reluctant to take on risk when there are so many blue chippers available at other positions.

 

[mgteich]

The Jets at #2 will take Wilson, restart the rookie wage scale, and get a 2nd or 3rd for Darnold from a Wash or SF. Miami at #3 will stay pat and take a position player, there's a lot of great talent besides QB's and they've got plenty of picks so I don't see them trading down. Both the Jets and Phins should worry us with the draft capital they have and their competent new coaches.

Our best trade-up opportunity to get Lance is with either Atlanta at #4 or Cinci at #5, as neither wants a QB and they both have a lot of needs. To move up 10 spots in the upper half of the 1st round should be possible for a 3rd or 4th this year, and our 2022 1st. Any package to move up that far would have to include next year's 1st. I think that's our best shot.

Philly at #6 has a QB and hopefully will stay pat and draft a position player. If we can't make the deal for 4 or 5, then at #7 is Detroit who now has Goff and will not be looking for a QB. A deal with them could be done with just this year's capital - a 2nd plus a 4th. But if Lance is still around at 7, there will be other bidders and it may be harder to close that deal.

Carolina at #8 is competition, they need a QB. Denver at #9 is hard to read - are they going QB or will they stay with Lock who looked pretty good against us last year.

Lance seems like a top 5 prospect. Jones is in the 10-15 range. The guy I'm having the hardest time figuring is Fields: is he a good fit for us, and at what spot in the draft?

I suspect that 4 and 5 will be Fields and Lance in whatever order, after trades up. And yes, I expect Miami to stay pat and pick an OT.

 

[mgteich]

It depends on who we want. Assume we are good with Lance, Jones and Fields. I think jones is there at 15. I’m starting to believe fields will be as well.
But WE MUST GET THE QB.
I would go in with a framework in place with a number of teams and let it run. But once only 1 guy we want is left, go get him. I would rather trade up to 7 to get a guy who most likely would still be there at 15 then lose all of them.

I agree.

There is no assurance that teams won't trade up have all five in the top 10, whether they "deserve" to be picked lower or not. I'll be surprised in 3 aren't picked in the top 5. That would take 3 teams passing on really good trade deals.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Belichick says a lot of things. If you are so obtuse to think that belichick publicly states the philosophy he uses so that everyone can predict what he will do you have been asleep for a long time.
He NEEDS to fix the QB problem. It is far and away the biggest hole and will prevent this team from going anywhere. He knows that. He has ALWAYS factored need into his draft picks. ALWAYS. Today the need at QB is greater than all other needs combined. He has often traded into the spot where need meets value, up or down.
If he has to trade up and give up this years 1 and 2 and next years 1 and 2, so be it. He has to fix the gaping hole that he has at QB if he expects to win. He is well aware that having the worst QB in the nfl is the biggest handicap any team can have.

A counterpoint is that no rookie is going to be much (or any) better than Cam this season. So if the early draft doesn't go our way and BB's choice becomes:
a) sacrifice the whole draft to take a risk on a rookie QB who's not your top choice and who won't be productive for a year
vs.
b) get a defensive stud who helps right away, keep the draft board intact, get Mills or Mond in round 2, and pick up a Minshew

Then "b" has to be given consideration.

 

[mgteich]

A counterpoint is that no rookie is going to be much (or any) better than Cam this season. So if the early draft doesn't go our way and BB's choice becomes:
a) sacrifice the whole draft to take a risk on a rookie QB who's not your top choice and who won't be productive for a year
vs.
b) get a defensive stud who helps right away, keep the draft board intact, get Mills or Mond in round 2, and pick up a Minshew

Then "b" has to be given consideration.

If Mills and Monde are in the next tier, there is no reason to believe that the one Bill wants will be available when we choose in the 2nd. If he isn't able to get who he wants in the first, then I suspect he will trade down from 15 and take his choice 20 spots higher than most think that he should go.

 

[Ring 6]

A counterpoint is that no rookie is going to be much (or any) better than Cam this season. So if the early draft doesn't go our way and BB's choice becomes:
a) sacrifice the whole draft to take a risk on a rookie QB who's not your top choice and who won't be productive for a year
vs.
b) get a defensive stud who helps right away, keep the draft board intact, get Mills or Mond in round 2, and pick up a Minshew

Then "b" has to be given consideration.

I disagree. I think if we get the one we want he will be playing by October. I mean they can’t be worse than newton
This offense is built for a rookie to come in and succeed.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I suspect that 4 and 5 will be Fields and Lance in whatever order, after trades up. And yes, I expect Miami to stay pat and pick an OT.

Sadly I’m starting to see it that way too. Carolina, SF, Denver and Philly are all ahead of us in the draft and its hard to see Wilson, Lance or Fields falling to the Pats because of that. They could trade up just as easy. Lot could change between now and April but without a combine not much will.

 

[Hyped]

I think ...as of right now...I like:

Lance, Fields, Mills, and Monds in that order.

Not ga ga over Mac Jones, but I DO NOT watch NCAA ball a lot....

And I think if we get one of those 4...they are sitting a year behind Cam.

 

[Love The Drake]

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Much as I want a QB in the first if Micah Jones is the pick I’m still going to feel really good about it.

I think ...as of right now...I like:

Lance, Fields, Mills, and Monds in that order.

Not ga ga over Mac Jones, but I DO NOT watch NCAA ball a lot....

And I think if we get one of those 4...they are sitting a year behind Cam.

That’s my order as well
If we think Wilson is going 2

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I agree.

There is no assurance that teams won't trade up have all five in the top 10, whether they "deserve" to be picked lower or not. I'll be surprised in 3 aren't picked in the top 5. That would take 3 teams passing on really good trade deals.

I'm not so sure they'll be quite that much action in the top 5. There are more than the usual number of non-QB studs this year, including 3 WR's, a TE, 2 LT's, 3 CB's, 2-3 LB/edge guys. Probably 5 guys that would be sure fire top-5 picks in almost any draft. It's possible that all 5 QB's will be gone after SF's pick at 12, but it's not a given.

Some of the teams ahead of us that may take a QB aren't in the dire straight that we are, such as Philly, Denver, SF. They could pick a non-QB given the talent that's there.

 

[Kontradiction]

I was going to ask you whether you gave Lawrence the same ‘surrounding talent’ penalty as you do Mac Jones but the post came across as confrontational which was not my intent and sadly you can’t delete posts anymore.

And thank You. Missed the camaraderie of this place.

I don’t personally knock Jones for the surrounding talent he played with. I was merely making a point that it’s why the overall opinion of him suffers. Even still, to answer your question, I don’t think Lawrence ever played with two legit top 5 receivers in his career. Jones did for much of the year. But the throws still had to be made and you simply can’t doubt his production on the field, which rivaled Burrow.

 

[Kontradiction]

I think when its all said and done,Wilson will have a better career

I highly doubt it. Especially if he goes to the Jets.

 

[imahobgoblin]

What QB has BelichIck drafted in the first round?...i'll wait -Sure brady was here but Bill clearly has had no interest in the past 20 years to take a high profile QB and he likely won't this year - look for one in the 3rd or later as usual

So going into the 2019 draft did you say, "What WR did Bill draft in the first round?" I'll wait for your reply. Whether N'Keal turned out to be what we had hoped or not is not the point. Bill drafted the wrong guy. Mistakes happen, but Bill had not drafted a WR in round 1 until 2019 so your point is useless. Bill will do whatever Bill wants.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree.

There is no assurance that teams won't trade up have all five in the top 10, whether they "deserve" to be picked lower or not. I'll be surprised in 3 aren't picked in the top 5. That would take 3 teams passing on really good trade deals.

I think it’s clear Lawrence and Wilson are 1 and 2. I think it’s very unclear that a or some teams believe Fields or Lance are worthy of top 5.
Teams will have to give up a lot to move up there, they better be sure about the player, really need a QB and have a good enough roster around the QB to be able to trade so many picks.
Who do you think fits that?

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Sadly I’m starting to see it that way too. Carolina, SF, Denver and Philly are all ahead of us in the draft and its hard to see Wilson, Lance or Fields falling to the Pats because of that. They could trade up just as easy. Lot could change between now and April but without a combine not much will.

I don't think they'll fall to 15 but that doesn't mean we can't leapfrog some of these other teams with a better offer. We're more motivated than all 4 of those teams.

 

[Ring 6]

So going into the 2019 draft did you say, "What WR did Bill draft in the first round?" I'll wait for your reply. Whether N'Keal turned out to be what we had hoped or not is not the point. Bill drafted the wrong guy. Mistakes happen, but Bill had not drafted a WR in round 1 until 2019 so your point is useless. Bill will do whatever Bill wants.

Or going into this off season did you say “belichick won’t spend in free agents”?

Belichick makes the decision that apply to the circumstances. He may be the least pre-determinate, stuck to the past man in the league.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not so sure they'll be quite that much action in the top 5. There are more than the usual number of non-QB studs this year, including 3 WR's, a TE, 2 LT's, 3 CB's, 2-3 LB/edge guys. Probably 5 guys that would be sure fire top-5 picks in almost any draft. It's possible that all 5 QB's will be gone after SF's pick at 12, but it's not a given.

Some of the teams ahead of us that may take a QB aren't in the dire straight that we are, such as Philly, Denver, SF. They could pick a non-QB given the talent that's there.

When you are picking in the top 7-10 you pick presuming you just drafted a career pro bowl caliber player.
Unless it’s a QB. Then you drafted on hope and overdrafted the player because of the position.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Or going into this off season did you say “belichick won’t spend in free agents”?

Belichick makes the decision that apply to the circumstances. He may be the least pre-determinate, stuck to the past man in the league.

Thats the who point, isn't it? You cannot be dogmatic about what Bill will do based on the past. That is useless.

 

[Ring 6]

Thats the who point, isn't it? You cannot be dogmatic about what Bill will do based on the past. That is useless.

Exactly