OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

The only crime here is how a fabricated scandal could do this to his reputation.

Well the karma was real. Brady won the super bowl that year of the suspension in dramatic fashion and goodell got booed in prime time. Also the ravens and dolts haven’t been to no super bowls only suffering disappointment in playoffs.

 

[upstater1]

Always surprised at how badly reporters get the Brady/Belichick story badly wrong.

I have no doubt that Brady didn't leave because of the state of the Patriots WR core, nor did he leave in an effort to prove something to the football world.

He left for a simple reason. The Patriots thought his football skills were declining and they slighted him with a 1 year contract after the 2018 Super Bowl. Even then, leaving was a tortuous decision for him.

Brady would still be here no matter the state of the WR position if only he'd been offered a contract that meshed with what he perceived was the team's confidence in him. The Patriots simply lost confidence in his play, or rather the team's confidence didn't match the player's own belief in himself.

It's that simple.

 

[RIpats88]

Always surprised at how badly reporters get the Brady/Belichick story badly wrong.

I have no doubt that Brady didn't leave because of the state of the Patriots WR core, nor did he leave in an effort to prove something to the football world.

He left for a simple reason. The Patriots thought his football skills were declining and they slighted him with a 1 year contract after the 2018 Super Bowl. Even then, leaving was a tortuous decision for him.

Brady would still be here no matter the state of the WR position if only he'd been offered a contract that meshed with what he perceived was the team's confidence in him. The Patriots simply lost confidence in his play, or rather the team's confidence didn't match the player's own belief in himself.

It's that simple.

I disagree. If the patriots were a super-bowl contender last year do you think brady leaves? I think he would stay. His attitude changed when they brought in Antonio Brown and changed again when they traded him to very negative and mopey. It wasn't until after Bill decided to bow out of the Diggs sweepstakes and did nothing to address the weapons that brady made his final call to Kraft.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I disagree. If the patriots were a super-bowl contender last year do you think brady leaves? I think he would stay. His attitude changed when they brought in Antonio Brown and changed again when they traded him to very negative and mopey. It wasn't until after Bill decided to bow out of the Diggs sweepstakes and did nothing to address the weapons that brady made his final call to Kraft.

Brady was incredibly moody in the last few years. BIll did a ton to help him win 6 titles and go to 9 super bowls and it wasn't good enough.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

 

[Doctor DDS]

Weather does not appear to be a major factor in the game today. Starts off at 29 degrees and drops to 25 by the end. Wind only in the 5 -8 MPH range. With a heated field traction should be decent. I think if the Bucs can run the ball they have a great chance to pull it out.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

In the 'I can't believe what I just heard department' did you know that Brady and Rodgers are a combined 80 years old and together have won 7 rings? Are these clowns serious? That number of titles is the same as Brady and Flacco, Brady and Warner, Brady and Trent Dilfer and many more. If we break down that total by percentages then Brady has won 86% of their titles.

But why stop there?

Together this will be their 19th conference title game (14-5, 64% Brady)
Together they have 10 Conference titles (9-1, 90% Brady)
They have a combined 56 4th quarter comebacks (39-17, 70% Brady)
And they have 73 game winning drives (48-25, 66% Brady)

I don't care much for the NFC or for Aaron Rodgers and this kind of nonsense is why. Rodgers has a long way to go to be compared to Tom Brady or any other all-time great. He can start by not losing his 4th conference game in 5 attempts today. Even if he survives that he'll then have to win another SB. And if he does that he still won't be in Brady's area code.

WTF!?!

Combined, Tom Brady and I have won six Super Bowls.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

The draft trades that shape tomorrow’s games are really interesting, especially how they tie in to each other and the Patriots. Imagine how different this weekend would be if the Chiefs hadn’t traded up for Mahomes in 2017.

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In 2017, the Bills held the 10th overall pick. The Saints held the 11th pick and by all accounts were going to draft Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs traded up from 27th to 10th and drafted Mahomes, in exchange for the 27th pick, the 91st pick, and a 2018 first round pick.

The Bills used the 27th pick on Tre’Davious White and next year’s first rounder on Tremaine Edmunds, two star players.

The Saints picked Marshon Lattimore at #11 after missing on Mahomes. This is thought to have nixed their interest in trading for Malcolm Butler. Butler would go on to be benched in SB52, and there’s speculation that game affected Tom Brady’s relationship with the Patriots (but hey, let’s just have fun with this and embrace the dramatic license rather than having an angry debate.) Brady later shocked the sporting world and left the Patriots. (See next.)

Since Mahomes went to the Chiefs, the Saints instead extended and committed to Drew Brees. During the 2020 offseason, Brady and the Saints were heading towards an agreement when Brees decided to play another season. Brady signed with the Bucs instead.

Meanwhile, the Bills had passed on Mahomes and had the 12th pick in the 2018 draft and needed a quarterback. The Bills traded up with the Bucs, to 6th overall, and drafted Josh Allen, in exchange for the #12 overall pick, 53rd, and 55th pick.

The Bucs used the the #12 pick to draft Vita Vea and then Carlton Davis in the second round.

Perhaps regretting missing on Mahomes, the Saints got very aggressive and traded up to obtain the #14 overall pick from the Packers to select Marcus Davenport. The Packers received the #27 overall pick and the Saints 2019 first round pick. The move had a big negative impact on the Saints and positive impact on the Packers.

The Packers packaged the #27 pick obtained from the Saints to move back into the first round and selected Jaire Alexander at #18 and Darnell Savage in the first round in 2019.

Quoted for emphasis. Great post

 

[upstater1]

I disagree. If the patriots were a super-bowl contender last year do you think brady leaves? I think he would stay. His attitude changed when they brought in Antonio Brown and changed again when they traded him to very negative and mopey. It wasn't until after Bill decided to bow out of the Diggs sweepstakes and did nothing to address the weapons that brady made his final call to Kraft.

Then how do you account for the uproar in the summer of 2018 when articles came out about Brady's unhappiness with his contract and with Belichick? How do you account for the fact he put up his house for sale in July of 2018? A house he had built from scratch for tens of millions just a few years before? How many threads do we have here about Brady being prepared to leave as early as that summer? How do you account for his father getting on the radio and predicting that Brady would move on? THIS WAS RIGHT AFTER A SUPER BOWL VICTORY.

 

[upstater1]

Weather does not appear to be a major factor in the game today. Starts off at 29 degrees and drops to 25 by the end. Wind only in the 5 -8 MPH range. With a heated field traction should be decent. I think if the Bucs can run the ball they have a great chance to pull it out.

I was hoping for snow.

 

[borg]

Always surprised at how badly reporters get the Brady/Belichick story badly wrong.

I have no doubt that Brady didn't leave because of the state of the Patriots WR core, nor did he leave in an effort to prove something to the football world.

It's not like Call Me Tompa chose a new team that is loaded with gobs of 1st round + All Pro weapons..... run by a pass-happy coach who would let him sign his binkies and have free offensive reign.

Definitely not why

It was all about the extra $2 mill he secured vs his 2019 wages.

 

[oldrover]

It's not like he chose a new team that is loaded with gobs of 1st round + All Pro weapons..... run by a pass-happy coach who would let him have free offensive reign.

Definitely not why

It was all about the extra $2 mill he secured vs his 2019 wages.

It's not like he chose a new team that is loaded with gobs of 1st round + All Pro weapons..... run by a pass-happy coach who would let him have free offensive reign.

Definitely not why

It was all about the extra $2 mill he secured vs his 2019 wages.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

TFB knew that even with playing to 45 or even a year beyond he was running out of career runway. Why not join a team with a defense and especially all the offensive pieces minus the QB? Pats WR and TE corps was/is a disaster needing re-build. Takes time which Tom did not have. Tom had an option to leave since BB did him a solid (unintentionally) by going year to year. I for one would not have enjoyed a full 2020 season of sulking Brady like 2019 which we saw after Kraft ejected Tom's remaining great hope known idiot Antonio Brown for being the idiot they already knew he was before signing just to take press heat away from FL Happiness.
Yoko hating NE winters helped with the decision.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

so Packers get the Rams with a crippled Donald and no Kupp. Now get the Buccaneers without AB and Winfield. unbelievable

 

[venecol]

so Packers get the Rams with a crippled Donald and no Kupp. Now get the Buccaneers without AB and Winfield. unbelievable

Hopefully Vita Vea more than makes up for this. Bucs gotta pressure Rodgers and force him into making mistakes.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady was incredibly moody in the last few years. Brady did a ton to help him win 6 titles and go to 9 super bowls and it wasn't good enough.

I think I saw a typo so I fixed it for you.

 

[amfootball]

so Packers get the Rams with a crippled Donald and no Kupp. Now get the Buccaneers without AB and Winfield. unbelievable

The Packers are down their LT and a starting corner.
No excuses for any team this time of year. Champ teams rise to the occasion.

 

[TheRainMaker]

so Packers get the Rams with a crippled Donald and no Kupp. Now get the Buccaneers without AB and Winfield. unbelievable

Evans and Godwin are going to have to put on their big boy pants today as Brady will be leaning on them. I also think Gronk/Brate will have some big catches today. The good news is they have a lot of guys like Scotty Miller and Tyler Johnson to help. I also see the running game being emphasized. Winfield hurts.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

so Packers get the Rams with a crippled Donald and no Kupp. Now get the Buccaneers without AB and Winfield. unbelievable

Has it been official already that Winfield is out? The Bucs need a good start to this game. You don’t wanna play catch-up with Rodgers.