Bob Kravitz writes about Deflategate [Four Games in Fall Documentary]

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...., even if it doesn't have culpatory information.

i believe the word you are looking for is exculpatory

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think it's highly doubtful that Brady's team would be the ones to decide what the definition of "relevant" is for this investigation. There is no doubt Wells wanted to search all the text messages and pick and choose which ones to highlight out of context to make Brady look guilty of cheating like the league wanted.

Wells asked for the following terms to be searched in Brady's texts and emails...it's very specific. Anything that does not come up with these terms is deemed irrelevant and would presumably not given to Wells.

k-ball, kball, gage, air-pump, airpump, needle, pin, PSI, pounds per square inch, 12.5, bladder, McNally, Bird, 1 pound, 1 lb, one pound, one lb, 2 pound, 2 lb, two pound, two lb, gaug* [the * means that all variations of “gaug” were included, such as gauge, gauging, gauged etc.], pump*, inflat*, deflat*, (game OR kick*) ball ~2 [this means Brady’s emails were searched to see whether the words “game” or “kick*” were found within two words of “ball”], (prep* OR rub*) AND (ball OR football) ~10, (investigat* OR meet* OR discuss* OR question) AND (championship OR Jan* 18 OR 1/18), investigat* AND (ball OR football OR Ind* OR Colts) ~10, (equilib* OR atmosphere* OR climat* OR environment* OR test* OR experiment) AND (ball OR football) ~10

 

[SHOWTIME15]

i believe the word you are looking for is exculpatory

No

 

[Pape]

No, you are wrong. AT&T said that they could not retrieve Brady's text messages on the destroyed phone since messages on their servers get deleted after 3 days. Please do your research. And there is no "complete invasion of privacy." Wells told Brady's agent to produce only those text messages that were relevant to the investigation. In other words, Brady and Yee get to decide which messages Wells gets - this is very standard in litigation where one party produces relevant documents in response to a discovery request.

The issue is at hand is what is agreed to in the arbitration agreement. This stuff is laid out before hand by agreement between the league and the players association. The NFL, quite frankly, had no rights to Tom Bradys cell phone per the arbitration agreement with the NFLPA. Unless Ted Wells and the Brady's attorneys agreed to such a wide scope of discovery, then he was under no obligation to provide his cell phones. This was the standard in place when Favre was ****-pic'cing that reporter... He never provided his phone, nor could the league force him to provide the phone, for that investigation and was not penalized for it ...

 

[Pape]

No

It should be, because that word doesnt mean what you think it means then

 

[venecol]

The pendejo, @TommyBrady12 blaming Tom Brady for his culpability in Framegate and defending Wells and Goodell epitomizes the troll that he is and that he has diarrhea for brains.

 

[sb1]

Wells asked for the following terms to be searched in Brady's texts and emails...it's very specific. Anything that does not come up with these terms is deemed irrelevant and would presumably not given to Wells.

k-ball, kball, gage, air-pump, airpump, needle, pin, PSI, pounds per square inch, 12.5, bladder, McNally, Bird, 1 pound, 1 lb, one pound, one lb, 2 pound, 2 lb, two pound, two lb, gaug* [the * means that all variations of “gaug” were included, such as gauge, gauging, gauged etc.], pump*, inflat*, deflat*, (game OR kick*) ball ~2 [this means Brady’s emails were searched to see whether the words “game” or “kick*” were found within two words of “ball”], (prep* OR rub*) AND (ball OR football) ~10, (investigat* OR meet* OR discuss* OR question) AND (championship OR Jan* 18 OR 1/18), investigat* AND (ball OR football OR Ind* OR Colts) ~10, (equilib* OR atmosphere* OR climat* OR environment* OR test* OR experiment) AND (ball OR football) ~10

Those were the email search terms not his phone or his texts. And as we know the media got the results and leaked a lot of info that had nothing to do with the investigation and the texts would have done the same without a doubt.

No way they would let Brady and his team decide what texts are "relevant".

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It should be, because that word doesnt mean what you think it means then

no, you are simply not understanding my original post

 

[Pape]

no, you are simply not understanding my original post

i do understand... I'm not the one with reading comprehension issues
(edit but i do have spelling issues, lol)

what you don't get or don't seem to grasp is this about deflategate - and why you tilting at windmills over his cellphone is utterly ridiculous ---

There is nothing Tom Brady could have said or done to prevent the NFL from suspending him. There is nothing Tom Brady could have said or done or provided to the league that would have prevented the league from suspending him.

Tom Brady was set up. Tom Brady was going to be found guilty as charged from the onset of the investigation. Brady had no chance of a fair hearing. The outcome was decided well in advance of any meeting, hearing, before any scientific study could be concocted, before any witnesses were interviewed... The desired outcome was determined in advance, and the NFL crafted the entire investigation to support the predetermined conclusion.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The pendejo, @TommyBrady12 blaming Tom Brady for his culpability in Framegate and defending Wells and Goodell epitomizes the troll that he is and that he has diarrhea for brains.

Instead of coming after me repeatedly with foul Spanish words, you might want to spend the wasted time improving your own life...while you are at home during the pandemic, you can still get a college degree online somewhere. University of Phoenix is a good choice for someone like you...there are no admissions requirements.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

i do understand... I'm not the one with read comprehension issues

No, my point was that it would have been wise to not destroy the phone even if there were no relevant texts that would implicate (culpatory) Brady. Again, please learn to read.

 

[Pape]

No, my point was that it would have been wise to not destroy the phone even if there were no relevant texts that would implicate (culpatory) Brady. Again, please learn to read.

tommy, just an fyi, i edited my response to that last post while you posted the above

and you are wrong. You are wrong because it just didnt matter

 

[sb1]

i do understand... I'm not the one with read comprehension issues


what you don't get or don't seem to grasp is this about deflategate - and why you tilting at windmills over his cellphone is utterly ridiculous ---

There is nothing Tom Brady could have said or done to prevent the NFL from suspending him. There is nothing Tom Brady could have said or done or provided to the league that would have prevented the league from suspending him.

Tom Brady was set up. Tom Brady was going to be found guilty as charged from the onset of the investigation. Brady had no chance of a fair hearing. The outcome was decided well in advance of any meeting, hearing, before any scientific study could be concocted, before any witnesses were interviewed... The desired outcome was determined in advance, and the NFL crafted the entire investigation to support the predetermined conclusion.

Exactly. It was as scripted as WWE. The outcome was planned and set in stone, no matter what happened before it.

If Brady let his phone be searched, they would have found a reason in there to suspend him. Without a doubt.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

tommy, just an fyi, i edited my response to that last post while you posted the above

and you are wrong. You are wrong because it just didnt matter

before you accuse me of "read comprehension" issues and use of vocabulary, you ought to know that the correct term is "reading comprehension"...

and perhaps Brady would still have been suspended, but I continue to believe the public reaction to it (after the hysteria died down) would have been a lot different.

 

[Pape]

before you accuse me of "read comprehension" issues and use of vocabulary, you ought to know that the correct term is "reading comprehension"...

and perhaps Brady would still have been suspended, but I continue to believe the public reaction to it (after the hysteria died down) would have been a lot different.

absolutely... the word should have been reading... See how easy it is to admit a mistake? Maybe you might learn something from this lesson?

and no, the reaction would not have been different. If you have actually been following the Patriots for any length of time you should know this

 

[Pape]

Exactly. It was as scripted as WWE. The outcome was planned and set in stone, no matter what happened before it.

If Brady let his phone be searched, they would have found a reason in there to suspend him. Without a doubt.

set in advance - so much so that Jeff Pash edited the final version of the Wells Report... Jeff Pash, who like, worked for the League, not the "Independent" investigator

 

[SHOWTIME15]

absolutely... the word should have been reading... See how easy it is to admit a mistake? Maybe you might learn something from this lesson?

and no, the reaction would not have been different. If you have actually been following the Patriots for any length of time you should know this

There is a word called "culpatory," which is different than "exculpatory"...and I used it correctly.

The conspiracy theorists on this board are amusing...

 

[The Brandon Five]

What is this? 1970? All text messages can be obtained from the providers. Why would they need the phones?

No, you are wrong. AT&T said that they could not retrieve Brady's text messages on the destroyed phone since messages on their servers get deleted after 3 days. Please do your research. And there is no "complete invasion of privacy." Wells told Brady's agent to produce only those text messages that were relevant to the investigation. In other words, Brady and Yee get to decide which messages Wells gets - this is very standard in litigation where one party produces relevant documents in response to a discovery request.

lulz

Sure they did.

 

[Joker]

heh...so yeah Tommy, you're right. Just wondering...where did the ex-CEO of the NY Jets that ran on the field that day screaming "AHA!! GOTCHA!", where did he go for the next TWO YEARS???? Gee whiz, why would an ex-NFL CEO who quit that position to work as an underling for Roger Goodell, why would he go incommunicato halfway across the world? Brady's phone? You do know what the term "red herring" means, don't you? You do know that air pressure tests were done LIVE at Patriot games in simialr weather conditions and air pressure drops in were consistent with what was shown to be "tampering!!!" in the beginning? You do know that the "measurements" cited by the league were actually FRAUDULENT from the start?

Sorry kid,you have a huge blind spot right in the middle of your "argument".

 

[venecol]

Instead of coming after me repeatedly with foul Spanish words, you might want to spend the wasted time improving your own life...while you are at home during the pandemic, you can still get a college degree online somewhere. University of Phoenix is a good choice for someone like you...there are no admissions requirements.

I have a BSCE from UMass and am a registered PE in FL. And you're still a pendejo