OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[rochrist]

I agree that Brady in 2019 wanted out. But that is because of what happened in 2018.

After NE won the 2018 SB, Brady wanted a multiyear commitment. Bill the GM wouldn't give him more than 1 year at a time as he thought wrongly that he could get a better QB and wanted the flexibility to kick him to the curve a year early rather than a year late just like a JAG.

Bill the GM should have given Brady the treatment a player of his stature deserved, like Kobe and Manning were given by their teams. Manning retired a year too late, was awful, but he was still better than the other Denver QB of the future, and won a SB.

So yeah, in 2018 Brady wanted to retire a Patriot and checked ou in 2019 cause of Bill the GM.

You might recall Manning was kicked to the curb by the Colts. Keeping the corpse of Kobe around didn't matter because they weren't going anywhere.

 

[rochrist]

I'm sure Brady will be back in 2021.
Whether he plays in 2022 will depend on whether his is still a top 10 QB.

If he keeps on playing , I think he will cheat a bit by taking a low contract in 2022, maybe 10-15 million, so that they can spend more on offensive players to help him out

I can't see him playing in 2023, just on age alone. I'm in my 40s and I've notice the decline from peak physical shape, which I did not notice in my 30s.

How many offensive players does he NEED?

 

[rochrist]

The thing is Bill didn't want to move on. He figured Brady would sign another crap deal for one year which is why he was left holding the bag this season and signing broken down Newton on June 28. It was a colossal miscalculation from Bill which has cost him big time this season and most likely future seasons as we start the rebuild.

I get a kick out of people calling a 20 million dollar deal for a 43 year old QB who's already put close to 250 million in the bank a 'crap deal'.

 

[RicoG]

How many offensive players does he NEED?

If he is still going to play at 45, he better ensure that the team does the best it can to surround him with good players. A top offensive line first and foremost. Then a good deep threat, slot receiver, TE, and pass catching rb.

One thing I don't think they'll give him is a better OC. But if they did, Bill O Brian or McDaniels would be intriguing.

 

[Kontradiction]

LOL, more grammar smack. When I said "look like" I was using it to mean he wouldn't "be" a franchise QB here in NE. If you want to argue that Brady would look like Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan, then i'd agree.

Looking like a franchise QB and being a franchise QB at his age are two different things. Of course he’d look like a franchise QB here. Of course he would still be a franchise QB if he were here because he was the quarterback they built the franchise around. Of course he wouldn’t be the franchise QB long-term here. Your post was ridiculous which, unfortunately, has been par for the course for you in this thread. Get some sleep, Tommy.

 

[borg]

I get a kick out of people calling a 20 million dollar deal for a 43 year old QB who's already put close to 250 million in the bank a 'crap deal'.

Brady's career NFL earnings ....... $260,166,804
And you say he's banked $250 mill of that.
Just 4% taken out of his paychecks to cover agent fees, Fed/State/Local taxes?

Tompa must be using Hunter Biden's accountant

 

[amfootball]

If he is still going to play at 45, he better ensure that the team does the best it can to surround him with good players. A top offensive line first and foremost. Then a good deep threat, slot receiver, TE, and pass catching rb.

One thing I don't think they'll give him is a better OC. But if they did, Bill O Brian or McDaniels would be intriguing.

I would assume if Brady becomes a FA after next season which would mean he turns 45 at the start of the 2022 season, he would most likely sign a one year deal somewhere with a team that is locked and loaded. That is pretty much what he did with Tampa but he also had the Saints interested until Brees said he was coming back and also the Niners who considered him before settling on sticking with Jimmy.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Looking like a franchise QB and being a franchise QB at his age are two different things. Of course he’d look like a franchise QB here. Of course he would still be a franchise QB if he were here because he was the quarterback they built the franchise around. Of course he wouldn’t be the franchise QB long-term here. Your post was ridiculous which, unfortunately, has been par for the course for you in this thread. Get some sleep, Tommy.

It took you nearly a day to come up with that?

Again, you're quibbling over semantics. What does your Oxford Dictionary say about the definition of "franchise QB?"

I already stated what I thought a franchise QB meant and explained my reasoning why Brady would not be a franchise QB here. A franchise QB is someone who is expected to be a long term starter in my view. Now my view may be irrelevant to other football fans, but it's my opinion on it. At his age, and likely average stats he would have in NE, Brady would not be a franchise QB here by that definition. In Tampa, it's different because they have the pieces around him to prop his stats up and keep him around a while.

I also implied that you should provide your own definition of "franchise QB," which you still haven't done. Still waiting...

 

[RIpats88]

If he is still going to play at 45, he better ensure that the team does the best it can to surround him with good players. A top offensive line first and foremost. Then a good deep threat, slot receiver, TE, and pass catching rb.

One thing I don't think they'll give him is a better OC. But if they did, Bill O Brian or McDaniels would be intriguing.

I mean you can't get much better than he has now for offensive players.

 

[sb1]

I mean you can't get much better than he has now for offensive players.

An 8-8 finish maintains Bill’s .500 record as Patriots HC without Brady that he had going into the season. 5-11 in 2000, 0-2 in 2001, 11-5 in 2008, 3-1 in 2016 and maybe 8-8 this year for 27-27 overall.

Brady is 8-5 without Bill, but if he and the Bucs have a quick playoff exit, with all the weapons and offense that have set Brady up for success this year then unfortunately I think the same questions will be asked about Brady. Probably more unfairly than fairly IMO because of his age and especially if it’s the defense that causes them to fall short, but those questions will certainly be out there like they are for Bill.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Hoping for a shootout against the Falcons with both Brady and Gronk coming up big.

 

[PP2]

Anyone know how to stream today's game online? Asking for a friend...

 

[carmelo15]

Another week another first quarter meltdown cause the coaches weren’t prepared

 

[JMC00]

Another week another first quarter meltdown cause the coaches weren’t prepared

Well it's the Falcons. All you gotta do is not suck in the 4th and you'll probably win. Because no-one snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like them

 

[Jangles]

The Bucs defense is absolutely horrendous

It reminds me of all the years watching the pats give up huge chunks of yards minus the ability to tighten up in the redzone

 

[Run DMC]

This Bucs team is painful to watch. The worst coaching and scheme I have probably ever seen in my adult life. Am I just spoiled after watching the Pats for the past 25 years? This is garbage. Infuriating. Can't stop a 4-9 Falcons or any other NFL tomato can for that matter. Entire coaching staff needs to be ****canned yesterday. Unwatchable.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

13 games to figure out Vaughn is their best RB.

 

[CISGS]

You might recall Manning was kicked to the curb by the Colts. Keeping the corpse of Kobe around didn't matter because they weren't going anywhere.

Pretty tone-deaf and poor choice of words here man.

 

[Jangles]

Another game Brady looks like he should be home on the couch

not that anyone else looks any good

 

[RicoG]

This Bucs team is painful to watch. The worst coaching and scheme I have probably ever seen in my adult life. Am I just spoiled after watching the Pats for the past 25 years? This is garbage. Infuriating. Can't stop a 4-9 Falcons or any other NFL tomato can for that matter. Entire coaching staff needs to be ****canned yesterday. Unwatchable.

You and everyone on this thread is spoiled watching the best coaching in the league.

I'm an huge Brady and Gronk fan but the Bucs are so frustrating to watch.