Strategy for Next Season

[Ring 6]

I like facts too. Stidham went from QB1 to QB3 in camp/practices. He has not shown he is an NFL QB. Bill is keeping him on the bench despite having a starter who can’t pass. So.... draw your own conclusions.

It ain’t rocket science.

I guarantee Pats will find someone better than that.

That’s not a fact

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Did you really just pass off blame for the QB personnel from Bill to Josh?

It’s okay to admit Belichick ****ed up this one.

It's weird how you act as if McDaniels doesn't have a huge influence on the game plan and personnel. Clearly does. As an example, look how the defense clearly felt different with Patricia compared to Flores, or compared to the soft Dean Pees defense. Belichick definitely lets his coordinators have a lot of influence.

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[captain stone]

It has begun

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bill-belichick-is-not-right-guy-to-rebuild-these-patriots

Tanguay's a clown...But he's not totally wrong either.

 

[sb1]

It has begun

https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bill-belichick-is-not-right-guy-to-rebuild-these-patriots

Bill the coach leaves and we're a 0 to 4 win team for the rest of the decade. Maybe longer.

 

[SVN]

Boston media always seems in a hurry to write articles to fire their coach/GM. They have been just salivating for this for 20 yrs.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Tanguay's a clown...But he's not totally wrong either.

Oh, he's wrong. He's ALWAYS wrong. Usually, when you're that bad at your job all the time, you get fired. Oh wait...He did.

 

[PatsRebuild]

It's weird how you act as if McDaniels doesn't have a huge influence on the game plan and personnel. Clearly does. As an example, look how the defense clearly felt different with Patricia compared to Flores, or compared to the soft Dean Pees defense. Belichick definitely lets his coordinators have a lot of influence.

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Yep. Brady, too. It's one thing to blame BB for every imperfection, but I do have some issue with his deference TOO MUCH in support of his coaches or his QB.

For example, that late 2018 Pitt loss where Brady was putrid, and had been going down a hole of poor QB play and playcalls, etc, there had to have been a meeting where BB stepped in, because right after that Brady looked like real Brady. I think he gives a lot of leeway out of respect for what those people earned, but it may be too much at times. Thankfully, he sees it and steps in.

Scar, Fears, etc, no problem. Those guys are veteran masters. But, McDaniels, a former plastics salesman? I mean, really. He's not splitting the atom here.

 

[PatsRebuild]

That’s not a fact

He's not good knowing what words mean.

 

[jdlboot14]

Goff has McVay who is one of the best offensive coaches in the league and has consistently had a very strong offensive cast. He also was a 1st overall and much more expected of him than the average QB. In 2018 he was considered just a dip below Mahomes.

Allen was a top 10 draft pick, he might actually have he strongest arm in the league. He is currently throwing Diggs who is a workhorse and the engine for that offense. We don’t have a receiver half as good

Tannehill was a top 10. He showed huge flashes of potential in Miami to the point where he was considered the other good QB in the division next to Brady, when he left the team was all time bad and then he went to an offense that had good receivers and the best back in the league to take the bulk of the work load

Derek Carr was considered an MVP candidate at one point and the year he got injured most people felt it gave us a straight shot to the SB. He’s throwing to Agholor, Renfrow and Witten which I would clearly take over what we have.

These were all QB’s that always had a ton of talent and showed ability and are now thriving under much better offenses

My point is that after 1 or 2 years all of those guys were hugely doubted if they could be THE franchise. So even guys picked as higher draft picks don't "show out" immediately. Tannehill was let go. Carr and Goff were seriously doubted. And that's after full seasons of starting. So, why in the world do so many assume you can properly evaluate Stidham with a few 4th quarter insertions in blowouts?? It's preposterous and ignorant. The other half of my point was that "average QB's" can become winners in the right system and with complimentary talent around them. I mean, that is the story of Brady his first 4 years. He was very average, but had a special clutch gene and work ethic.

 

[lancerman]

My point is that after 1 or 2 years all of those guys were hugely doubted if they could be THE franchise. So even guys picked as higher draft picks don't "show out" immediately. Tannehill was let go. Carr and Goff were seriously doubted. And that's after full seasons of starting. So, why in the world do so many assume you can properly evaluate Stidham with a few 4th quarter insertions in blowouts?? It's preposterous and ignorant. The other half of my point was that "average QB's" can become winners in the right system and with complimentary talent around them. I mean, that is the story of Brady his first 4 years. He was very average, but had a special clutch gene and work ethic.

Every single one of those guys shower some promise in the first two years where people thought they could be the guy. Goff was freakin MVP candidate, Carr was highly valued, Tannehill was always viewed as strong until he plateaued out. Then you have Stidham who has been an outright disaster at worst and a non factor at best,

It’s a fallacy to think someone needs to start to be evaluated. And regardless the coaches aren’t giving him the green flag

 

[PatsRebuild]

My point is that after 1 or 2 years all of those guys were hugely doubted if they could be THE franchise. So even guys picked as higher draft picks don't "show out" immediately. Tannehill was let go. Carr and Goff were seriously doubted. And that's after full seasons of starting. So, why in the world do so many assume you can properly evaluate Stidham with a few 4th quarter insertions in blowouts?? It's preposterous and ignorant. The other half of my point was that "average QB's" can become winners in the right system and with complimentary talent around them. I mean, that is the story of Brady his first 4 years. He was very average, but had a special clutch gene and work ethic.

Thank you. So refreshing.

Isn't creepy that the Bradyites refuse to allow a new QB to come in and some of them actually praise the worst QB in a Pats uni since Tommy Hodson?

It's bizarre to me. I was excited after Sitdham's 2019 preseason because there is clearly something to work with here. It's like people didn't watch it and just want to rely on lazy troll journalism but butt hurt clickbaiters like Tom Curran or Mike Reiss who loved getting time from Brady in interviews, where BB didn't give those guys anything.

Pretty obvious how underhanded and slick they are when dropping their columns in.

That's why I keep asking these people what they thought of Brady in his first game as a fill in, throwing 2 INTs and the offense scoring just 3 points vs the lowly Jets.

 

[sb1]

Thank you. So refreshing.

Isn't creepy that the Bradyites refuse to allow a new QB to come in and some of them actually praise the worst QB in a Pats uni since Tommy Hodson?

It's bizarre to me. I was excited after Sitdham's 2019 preseason because there is clearly something to work with here. It's like people didn't watch it and just want to rely on lazy troll journalism but butt hurt clickbaiters like Tom Curran or Mike Reiss who loved getting time from Brady in interviews, where BB didn't give those guys anything.

Pretty obvious how underhanded and slick they are when dropping their columns in.

That's why I keep asking these people what they thought of Brady in his first game as a fill in, throwing 2 INTs and the offense scoring just 3 points vs the lowly Jets.

And yet Bill refuses to start Stidham over a guy who can't pass even when we're not eliminated.

 

[FCB02062]

In 2-3 seasons the Patriots have gone from having no peers in the AFC to trailing clearly at least 4 or 5 teams (KC, Buffalo, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Baltimore at minimum). The Pats are sitting in a big hole in their own division and as Bill the coach always says, the first step is win the division and guarantee yourself a home game. Given Allen's improvement and Buffalo's willingness to acquire playmakers like Diggs and Beasely, it's going to take 11 wins minimum to finish first. This Patriots team looks nothing like an 11 win club.
The key is getting their draftees to become playmakers. I have no faith in Krafty Bob signing any big name "impact" free agents that will contribute to the Pats over the long haul. Krafty and Coach Bill always have focused on the second tier guys (Gilmore is a big outlier) and I'd say 99% of the "top tier talents" they've acquired were 1 year deals w no chance of resigning (Revis) or malcontents/problem children - Haynesworth, Moss, A Brown - for smaller $. they also shop in the washed up discontinued bin far too much - Joey Galloway, Fred Taylor, Junior Seau, Chad Brown).
Sad Tom allowed them to be cheap in player acquisition. those times are gone. they no longer have a top 5 QB taking 75%, tops, of his value...this allowed them to throw schitt against the wall (see their early/mid 2010s strategy of drafting a ton of DBs and signing 3 or 4 vet Jags every year to see who sticks) and field a weak D only to win games 30-24 on the reg.
They will have their best draft position in quite sometime and will have draft capital to move up. Let's hope Bill the GMs 2021 draft doesnt end up his Cleveland drafts. it's time for Bill the GM to draft another Hightower, Ty Warren, Seymour, Wilfork....let's go Bill

 

[Ring 6]

My point is that after 1 or 2 years all of those guys were hugely doubted if they could be THE franchise. So even guys picked as higher draft picks don't "show out" immediately. Tannehill was let go. Carr and Goff were seriously doubted. And that's after full seasons of starting. So, why in the world do so many assume you can properly evaluate Stidham with a few 4th quarter insertions in blowouts?? It's preposterous and ignorant. The other half of my point was that "average QB's" can become winners in the right system and with complimentary talent around them. I mean, that is the story of Brady his first 4 years. He was very average, but had a special clutch gene and work ethic.

80% of QBs are a reflection of the coaching they get and the team around them. 10% elevate the team (Brady) 10% destroy it (newton).
The idea that it’s all about the QB is silly and usually pushed by people playing madden or reading stat books.

 

[Ring 6]

In 2-3 seasons the Patriots have gone from having no peers in the AFC to trailing clearly at least 4 or 5 teams (KC, Buffalo, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Baltimore at minimum). The Pats are sitting in a big hole in their own division and as Bill the coach always says, the first step is win the division and guarantee yourself a home game. Given Allen's improvement and Buffalo's willingness to acquire playmakers like Diggs and Beasely, it's going to take 11 wins minimum to finish first. This Patriots team looks nothing like an 11 win club.
The key is getting their draftees to become playmakers. I have no faith in Krafty Bob signing any big name "impact" free agents that will contribute to the Pats over the long haul. Krafty and Coach Bill always have focused on the second tier guys (Gilmore is a big outlier) and I'd say 99% of the "top tier talents" they've acquired were 1 year deals w no chance of resigning (Revis) or malcontents/problem children - Haynesworth, Moss, A Brown - for smaller $. they also shop in the washed up discontinued bin far too much - Joey Galloway, Fred Taylor, Junior Seau, Chad Brown).
Sad Tom allowed them to be cheap in player acquisition. those times are gone. they no longer have a top 5 QB taking 75%, tops, of his value...this allowed them to throw schitt against the wall (see their early/mid 2010s strategy of drafting a ton of DBs and signing 3 or 4 vet Jags every year to see who sticks) and field a weak D only to win games 30-24 on the reg.
They will have their best draft position in quite sometime and will have draft capital to move up. Let's hope Bill the GMs 2021 draft doesnt end up his Cleveland drafts. it's time for Bill the GM to draft another Hightower, Ty Warren, Seymour, Wilfork....let's go Bill

This is an abysmal understanding of how this team operates.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Then you have Stidham who has been an outright disaster at worst and a non factor at best,

To be fair, go look at what people were saying about Matt Cassel in TC and the first weeks of 2008. . . .

 

[lancerman]

To be fair, go look at what people were saying about Matt Cassel in TC and the first weeks of 2008. . . .

Matt Cassel didn’t cut it as a starter though.

 

[sb1]

Matt Cassel didn’t cut it as a starter though.

What we got from Cassel is still a lot better than what we can expect from Stidham.

 

[PatsRebuild]

What we got from Cassel is still a lot better than what we can expect from Stidham.

Matt Cassel was drafted in 2005, started to play in 2008, 4 years into his back up career, and played with the 1s every week. Explain to the board how this is Stidham's similar situation, please:

This is another problem of yours....You don't do apples/apples. Do you want a context means? People who eliminate contexts, like sneaky lawyers in a court room are not to be trusted. Goodell does that, too. Your buddy. People remove context because they have an agenda.

You're a scorned lover of Brady's and will bash whoever the next future QB is. Your life is ruined as a Pats fan. It's hilarious.

 

[PatsRebuild]

Matt Cassel didn’t cut it as a starter though.

He did in his 2010 Pro Bowl year under Weis. He was superb. If Weis stayed on board there, you likely would have seen similar campaigns in 2011 and 2012, quite posssibly.