Content Post N'Keal Harry (lack of) Progress Report

[DropKickFlutie]

Chatham is on the wrong side of history trying to claim KNeal Harry is repeatedly wide open all the time and that it's a QB issue. Harry produces like a 7th round pick whether it's with the GOAT Tom Brady, or Stidham, or Newton, or Hoyer. They actually measure this stuff and NKeal has a league worst separate rate of like 0.9 yards. He's 3 times worse at separation than Jacobi Meyers gets.

 

[Ring 6]

Tom never wanted to leave, but chose to because he wanted to get paid and/or the offense didn't fit his skill set due to Bill not doing a good job restocking the WR/TE positions. Last year was the nail in the coffin signing retreads who all got cut/traded, brining back an unreliable Gordon (and cutting him), drafting one f***ing WR in a DEEP class, cutting Brown, then trading a 2nd round for Sanu. Tom had no choice but to leave if he wanted a chance to succeed as he only has so much time left.

Bill failed Tom flat out.

The patriots would have a better record than the bucs if brady stayed here. Without a question.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

11 WRs with more receptions and 15 WRs with more yards from last year's WR draft class. An epic failure from McDaniels the worst talent evaluator in the entire NFL.

Here's N'Keal Harry's 'No. 1 Priority' For Patriots After Much-Needed Touchdown - NESN.com

New England Patriots receiver N'Keal Harry aims to use his physicality to make more plays Sunday's contested-catch touchdown.

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[moosekill]

11 WRs with more receptions and 15 WRs with more yards from last year's WR draft class. An epic failure from McDaniels the worst talent evaluator in the entire NFL.

Here's N'Keal Harry's 'No. 1 Priority' For Patriots After Much-Needed Touchdown - NESN.com

New England Patriots receiver N'Keal Harry aims to use his physicality to make more plays Sunday's contested-catch touchdown.

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I really can't make this simpler for you Drop. Unless those other wide receivers had Cam Newton throwing to them you can't really judge them. The Patriots have forsaken passing to anyone unless they are wide open and under 10 yards down the field and decided to play smash mouth football where they pound the ball against teams built to stop the Kansas City Chiefs. It has actually worked pretty well and they are a few really bad Cam Newton plays from being 10-2 right now. This style of play means wide receivers aren't going to get many passes thrown their way. Last week Meyers and Byrd and Harry each had 2 catches. All this doesn't mean Harry is great, what it does mean is you can't judge Harry's stats by his number of catches, because none of the ones you mention would have anywhere near as many catches if they were playing for the Patriots.

 

[archstanton543]

I really can't make this simpler for you Drop. Unless those other wide receivers had Cam Newton throwing to them you can't really judge them. The Patriots have forsaken passing to anyone unless they are wide open and under 10 yards down the field and decided to play smash mouth football where they pound the ball against teams built to stop the Kansas City Chiefs. It has actually worked pretty well and they are a few really bad Cam Newton plays from being 10-2 right now. This style of play means wide receivers aren't going to get many passes thrown their way. Last week Meyers and Byrd and Harry each had 2 catches. All this doesn't mean Harry is great, what it does mean is you can't judge Harry's stats by his number of catches, because none of the ones you mention would have anywhere near as many catches if they were playing for the Patriots.

Then why compare any player's stats with any other player's stats? They all play in different systems with different people on the team.

 

[Nunchucks]

Then why compare any player's stats with any other player's stats? They all play in different systems with different people on the team.

I'd say this situation is a special case, I've never really seen a worse passing offense.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

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I really can't make this simpler for you Drop. Unless those other wide receivers had Cam Newton throwing to them you can't really judge them. The Patriots have forsaken passing to anyone unless they are wide open and under 10 yards down the field and decided to play smash mouth football where they pound the ball against teams built to stop the Kansas City Chiefs. It has actually worked pretty well and they are a few really bad Cam Newton plays from being 10-2 right now. This style of play means wide receivers aren't going to get many passes thrown their way. Last week Meyers and Byrd and Harry each had 2 catches. All this doesn't mean Harry is great, what it does mean is you can't judge Harry's stats by his number of catches, because none of the ones you mention would have anywhere near as many catches if they were playing for the Patriots.

So many excuses. Tom Brady couldn't make Harry look good. He's a total bust.

 

[condon84]

Chatham is on the wrong side of history trying to claim KNeal Harry is repeatedly wide open all the time and that it's a QB issue. Harry produces like a 7th round pick whether it's with the GOAT Tom Brady, or Stidham, or Newton, or Hoyer. They actually measure this stuff and NKeal has a league worst separate rate of like 0.9 yards. He's 3 times worse at separation than Jacobi Meyers gets.

Harry's game isn't about separation. It's about making contested catches and jump balls down the field. That's what he did in college and the few times he's had the opportunity here. I don't know why the Pats picked him and aren't utilizing his strengths more often. Or expect him to all of a sudden be a player he isn't. He is never going to be quick off the ball.

 

[Ring 6]

Then why compare any player's stats with any other player's stats? They all play in different systems with different people on the team.

Indeed why?

 

[203Pat]

Harry is a bust no matter who is throwing him the ball. Plan and simple. He has lost snaps to two guys that are UDFA's. He can't contribute much even in the brief glimmers of hope in this passing game. He is a bad player and I wouldn't be shocked if he isn't around next year.

 

[JayNM]

I really can't make this simpler for you Drop. Unless those other wide receivers had Cam Newton throwing to them you can't really judge them. The Patriots have forsaken passing to anyone unless they are wide open and under 10 yards down the field and decided to play smash mouth football where they pound the ball against teams built to stop the Kansas City Chiefs. It has actually worked pretty well and they are a few really bad Cam Newton plays from being 10-2 right now. This style of play means wide receivers aren't going to get many passes thrown their way. Last week Meyers and Byrd and Harry each had 2 catches. All this doesn't mean Harry is great, what it does mean is you can't judge Harry's stats by his number of catches, because none of the ones you mention would have anywhere near as many catches if they were playing for the Patriots.

Yeah, sorry Moosekill, but this argument is very weak

Cam is an NFL QB. there are other NFL QBs out there throwing the rock to NFL WRs

To compare those similar individuals is only natural. Rational thinking always uses something as a comparison, even inconsciously, so we can determine what is good, bad or whatever in between

If we cant compare Harry to other WRs drafted in the same class as him, if we cant complain that he's been underwhelming, we might as well cancel sports altogether cause rivalry is foundation of it all.

 

[IllegalContact]

Then why compare any player's stats with any other player's stats? They all play in different systems with different people on the team.

that's a good question..........I think the answer sounds something like 'it's about the overall result'

 

[IllegalContact]

Yeah, sorry Moosekill, but this argument is very weak

Cam is an NFL QB. there are other NFL QBs out there throwing the rock to NFL WRs

To compare those similar individuals is only natural. Rational thinking always uses something as a comparison, even inconsciously, so we can determine what is good, bad or whatever in between

If we cant compare Harry to other WRs drafted in the class as him, complain that he's been underwhelming we might as well cancel sports altogether cause rivalry is foundation of it all.

1 win separates Newton,Harry,Meyers,Byrd,Izzo from Brady,Evans,Godwin,Miller,Gronk

what are we talking about again?

 

[JayNM]

1 win separates Newton,Harry,Meyers,Byrd,Izzo from Brady,Evans,Godwin,Miller,Gronk

what are we talking about again?

That Harry's been kinda bad

isnt it in the Thread title?

 

[203Pat]

that's a good question..........I think the answer sounds something like 'it's about the overall result'

The overall result is 38 catches, 333 yards, and 4 TD's. Meanwhile that is 3-4 games worth of production for some guys drafted after him.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Chatham is on the wrong side of history trying to claim KNeal Harry is repeatedly wide open all the time and that it's a QB issue. Harry produces like a 7th round pick whether it's with the GOAT Tom Brady, or Stidham, or Newton, or Hoyer. They actually measure this stuff and NKeal has a league worst separate rate of like 0.9 yards. He's 3 times worse at separation than Jacobi Meyers gets.

I'm not the biggest fan of the separation stat as done by NFLNextGen, but it's the best we've got imho (538 has their own calc, but that's got limitations, too). Harry surprisingly has a separation avg of 3.0 for the year, which doesn't jive with our impressions. He'd be better than all our WRs last year (no Sanu as half with ATL)! We do have to include stuff like a swing pass in the Dolphins game where no one was within 8 yds. Even the Cam throws to his feet for swing pass incompletions in Houston counted in the calc, too. (In that game, Meyers got 5.7 and Harry 4.0).

I really want to call him a bust, but I'm not ready to yet. Hopefully he'll stay out of the injury report. Hopefully his QBs can be more accurate (includes most of Brady's games with him last year - he was 55% from when Harry started playing in Week 10). Considering the complexity of the playbook, 2 inaccurate qbs over the last 2 seasons with last year's being notorious for losing trust from the smallest screwup for newbies, and the lack of a chip on his shoulder for being picked at 15 versus 64 ($7.8mil guaranteed versus $1.8mil), I don't think Metcalf (7 drops last year and 7 this year so far - Harry strangely only has 2 official drops in his career?!) has anywhere near the same success that he's having in Sea (especially with Pumped and Jacked coddling versus Jerry Ballcatcher from Foxborough High tough love). Would I rather have DKM in retrospect? You gotta be beyond insane not to.

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[IllegalContact]

The overall result is 38 catches, 333 yards, and 4 TD's. Meanwhile that is 3-4 games worth of production for some guys drafted after him.

no......the overall result is in the W-L columns

 

[IllegalContact]

That Harry's been kinda bad

isnt it in the Thread title?

yup and 1118 posts in, still stating the obvious ....... Sunday was a good win, though

 

[203Pat]

no......the overall result is in the W-L columns

So we're going to give Harry a pat on the back because we are 6-6? I guess I should apologize to Harry and let him know we couldn't have reached this achievement without him.

 

[IllegalContact]

So we're going to give Harry a pat on the back because we are 6-6? I guess I should apologize to Harry and let him know we couldn't have reached this achievement without him.

nope...........but there is absolutely no point to be dwelling on it now........