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Bills use him as a pseudo-TE at time. Landed in a nice spot. Young QB still growing, who's looking for guys he can trust. Stacked WR corp so he'll never face the top DB's. I'm sure some coaches still don't know who he is and are worried about Diggs, Beasley, Allen, running game...
 
Bits of Bacon ...

The OL moved around, a lot. Early on, seemingly so Herron wasn't put inside, then we had injuries and were already injured coming in to the game. That's a lot to ask and overcome. In Wynn's case I'm not sure when he got practice reps at G. No matter this unit looked a little slower, out of sorts and as a result, so did our offense. They almost looked jetlagged. We were late pulling, slow off the ball, slow all-around. Flat. Couldn't get any push up front but more than anything were out of sync. Wynn & Thuney are borderline elite on the left side. More than anything its their communication & unspoken communication on pressure. They would seamlessly pass off players, know who's looping/penetrating, recognize delayed stuff. Our OL was guessing and uncomfortable. Fangio knew it and dialed up some decent pressure looks and we didn't respond well at all.

Cam - Communication/Understanding - was off between QB & OL. You'll hear different teams shout out different stuff. All that "54 is the Mike" , "Rita, Rita" , "Turbo" is just protection calls to one side or we, ID a blitz, speed up a play, kill a play and specifically for pressure, so who knows what. QB are responsible for guys as well. To move them off a spot with their eyes, maybe a fake or just know who's unblocked on a blitz so they can plan accordingly when it happens. That's exactly what we saw with an unblocked DE crashing in. That's on Cam, he's left unblocked by design. I think we saw another one as well. He also took a few sacks where he either held on too long or just showed no awareness at all. OL got beat today but Cam made look worse than they were in some instances.

Eyes/Discipline - I've mentioned this a few times but Cam's passes are being telegraphed. Most of our stuff is short so that's where they're going but teams know we have nothing deep. Depending on personnel you can make a good guess which area of the field is being targeted. Those short ones have to be timed better. This is like 10 batted passes so far. Our OL have to make the "jumpers" , guys that jump, pay. Make sure they end up on the ground after leaving their feet. But mostly it's on Cam. That's where peripheral vision, trust and situational awareness.

Mechanics/Speed - He's slow getting set and it seems like that's been an issue off/on, more or less all year. Feet/base, lower half to trigger takes a bit to long. Release point/launch point is an issue on different passes. Short, deep middle, out are off at times. Wouldn't be a bad thing if accuracy & timing weren't issues. You see this from different QB's but again it's about being comfortable and actually completing passes. Some times you need to slow things down a bit and just roll with the tempo depending on the game but those quick hits are dependent on time/space. You want the ball out as quick as possible to give your man a chance. You can't be loafing balls and not expect 4-5 guys to be at the ball by the time our guys has it secure enough to make a move. Again though after he has to reset its a problem.

He has to be quicker getting set and when he has to move/adjust. Too often I'm watching his base struggle when moved off his spot or looking to move, get set etc. Release point has been an issue at times throughout his career. Saw small examples today. Pocket awareness/presence. Accuracy. He's been through a ton the last few weeks and obviously wants to be here, on the field. So it's tough to criticize but he was bad today.

WR/TE - I'm not sure I want to get into this here but it couldn't be more evident this team is desperate for help. 1st, 2nd round picks spent very recently. AB, Gordon, Kobi Myers, Gunna ... This team has been searching for help for years and it's getting frustrating. I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong and I was on Harry. That said there have been plenty of other available or within a trade up, reasonable trade ups. I know we can't draft everyone but we're passing over many guys that were Patriot-Types. Dugger & Williams really have to pan out. We passed on AJ Brown, DK, Hardman, Laviska Shenault, Claypool, McLaurin ... I'll be posting a lot more in the draft forum on upcoming classes/needs but it's more than clear it's a problem. We have no one to target, no one to make a play or make it happen.
I remember looking at our depth chart and contracts before Harry and we were in trouble. Also and I'm not trying to pretend I know more or am preaching to Bill but the draft is about finding out where value and need meet. This isn't that ... If you take a K before 6/7th round you have to hit. Johnson was great value and had a 3rd round skill set/profile imo. View attachment 28992


Coaching - The play calling is tough to get excited about bc we only have so much to work with. Look at our parts. They're just not there so I understand that but some of the stuff was just random and not what the situation called for imo. The 2 point conversion. Condensed with limited options to target in the field. Tough look and this is another conversation but we need some playmakers. Enough is enough. I get the frustration with the play calling though. Just think our personnel is tough to work with.

All year Bill was daring teams to beat us by running the ball. He'd line up 1/2 IDL, two edge-types, a bunch of DB's and dare teams to beat us. All year they either couldn't or abandoned the run like Oak, Sea. He was comfortable in his DB's tackling and today Denver didn't flinch with 30+ rushes to 25 passes/attempts I believe. For 130+ yards on the ground.
In hindsight very smart with Lock so unstable. His first game back after a few weeks. He could have easily tossed 2-3 other picks if he held on to them or if he was asked to pass more.

The 3rd down/FG I understand both sides. I think Bill was thinking we needed to score TDs anyway and needed the ball back asap. If they pick up the 1st down we're losing out on a lot of time but again get both sides. Denver was having trouble and again Lock looked shakey all game.

Non-challenge.

We didn't adjust as well as we should/could have imo but again this goes back to personnel. Denver didn't respect our ability to beat them deep or even pass tbh. Their DL was teeing off on passes all day. This result was their S playing up a lot of the day. Where was the PA (play action), double moves or quick hitters to the MOF? Slants/crossers, I saw a few mesh concepts. Maybe it was just the way the game went but that was annoying.

Mike Ojemudia (rookie), Shelby Harris, Chubb, Simmons all played well for Denver. I thought Jon Jones, Bentley & Gilmore played well for us.


 
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He’s either gonna get the Waller treatment, or he’s gonna PHI us lol..


He's really good. His blocking is very good. We'll have to have Dugger press him at the LOS and have a safety over the top. Or have a linebacker chip him who can also take him on if he's run blocking? He's dynamic so he's hard to deal with. Get killed in the run game or get killed in the pass game. Dugger needs to grow up fast! like by Sunday!
 
George Kittle should've been a Patriot, but Billy just had to have him some Dwayne Allen & his Indy Clots stench...
Yes, we get it Captain Stone. Every "amazing" player should have been a Patriot. It's been 20 years, bendover Bob is not going to kick Bill the GM to the curb. So why do you keep complaining? Why are you still here? It's never going to change. Are you a masochist?
 
Yes, we get it Captain Stone. Every "amazing" player should have been a Patriot. It's been 20 years, bendover Bob is not going to kick Bill the GM to the curb. So why do you keep complaining? Why are you still here? It's never going to change. Are you a masochist?
Love this!
 
Forget Harry for a second. I wish more would recognize separation has a lot to do with what offense you're in. What you're asked to do.

 
Forget Harry for a second. I wish more would recognize separation has a lot to do with what offense you're in. What you're asked to do.



Is Josh blaming his own schemes for Harry's lack of production?

I suppose that is better than blaming his lack of production on the lack of a #1 WR in front of him on the depth chart and on the field.
 
Forget Harry for a second. I wish more would recognize separation has a lot to do with what offense you're in. What you're asked to do.



McDaniels has literally not drafted or developed any good WRs or TEs in his entire tenure as NE OC whether it be 2012-now or 05-08.

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Thanks for all of this material, BGC. The week after a tough home loss isn't the best time for objective analysis, so it's great you're still trying to help us towards it. For what it's worth, I thought that the game looked like the fourth quarter of a pre-season game -- outmatched O-linemen being pushed back into the quarterback's lap. Unfortunately, it left Cam looking too much like Rohan Davey.
 
Thanks for all of this material, BGC. The week after a tough home loss isn't the best time for objective analysis, so it's great you're still trying to help us towards it. For what it's worth, I thought that the game looked like the fourth quarter of a pre-season game -- outmatched O-linemen being pushed back into the quarterback's lap. Unfortunately, it left Cam looking too much like Rohan Davey.
It wasn't merely an over-matched OL that made Cam look like the Rohan...
 
Yes, we get it Captain Stone. Every "amazing" player should have been a Patriot. It's been 20 years, bendover Bob is not going to kick Bill the GM to the curb. So why do you keep complaining? Why are you still here? It's never going to change. Are you a masochist?
No, not every "amazing" player should've been a Patriot; just those that were in a position to give Bill maximum value at that particular spot in the draft: Cliff Avril, Connor Barwin, Golden Tate, Keenan Allen, Joel Bitonio, Tyler Lockett, George Kittle, Justin Reid, Micah Kiser, AJ Brown...
I could go on (and on), but you should get the point now...

And sorry not sorry, but I'm not going anywhere for the next 20 years (I hope)...
 
No, not every "amazing" player should've been a Patriot; just those that were in a position to give Bill maximum value at that particular spot in the draft: Cliff Avril, Connor Barwin, Golden Tate, Keenan Allen, Joel Bitonio, Tyler Lockett, George Kittle, Justin Reid, Micah Kiser, AJ Brown...
I could go on (and on), but you should get the point now...

And sorry not sorry, but I'm not going anywhere for the next 20 years (I hope)...
You are a masochist!:rofl:

I mean that's cool and all. I don't get that aspect but to each their own. Enjoy!
 
1st qtr, 4:25 left, 2nd and 8 - Izzo releases his chip and the guy gets to Newton unimpeded. Asiasi is chipping the other side.
Question about the above play, are the tight ends supposed to chip for the same amount of time? Is this why Cam didn't realize he was about to get hit on his blindside? Looked like Cam wanted to go Asiasi but he chipped a bit longer than Izzo did.

4th qtr, 9:48 left, 1st and 10 - Cam scrambles for a big gain that leads to the TD. Asiasi made a great legal blindside block. Great coaching there.

Butler played on 3rd downs in the the 2nd half so his injury must not be too bad.
Lousy game to watch, should have won it.
 
The guy who made this video was gushing all over our man coverage defense on the 49ers forum.



@Ian how about we trade for this guy with one of the kneejerkers on this forum? I think he'd be a valuable addition to this forum!
 
Butler played on 3rd downs in the the 2nd half so his injury must not be too bad.

I hope this is right. I noticed the injury report was still the "shoulder" as it was before. Hopefully Allen and Cowart can play so we can rotate the DTs to keep them fresh and ready. If the opposing center and two guards have to account for our two DTs, maybe our ends, Winovich and crew, can get back on track. It all starts and ends in the trenches.
 
I hope this is right. I noticed the injury report was still the "shoulder" as it was before. Hopefully Allen and Cowart can play so we can rotate the DTs to keep them fresh and ready. If the opposing center and two guards have to account for our two DTs, maybe our ends, Winovich and crew, can get back on track. It all starts and ends in the trenches.
It is, I saw it with my own eyes. I didn't pay attention if he was playing contain or trying to rush but he wasn't doing anything. So he was probably hurting.
 
It is, I saw it with my own eyes. I didn't pay attention if he was playing contain or trying to rush but he wasn't doing anything. So he was probably hurting.

Yes but in the game I thought they said it was his elbow, not re-aggravating the shoulder. Maybe the TV reporting was wrong. Either way if he is sore and Cowart and Allen are back, maybe we can rest him. Playing guys early in the season, instead of resting and healing, is a bad decision IMO.
 


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