For the "Brady made Belichick" crowd

[sb1]

This post actually is not half bad in the sense that BB did absolutely get better. The thought posted above yours that when Brady joined the league he had the best coaching staff is laughable. BB had just gotten there. Did he turn the Jets defense into a SB powerhouse just before that? Or Cleveland? Please. They both grew together and both men are who they are because of themselves and their respective teammates. Brady would of been great anywhere provided he would of gotten a chance. Some great players never do. Same goes with BB, but at least he had already gotten a chance in Cleveland.

I think it’s bizarre that if someone compliments Belichick it’s taken as a personal insult because it didn’t praise their favorite QB. So they think going back 30 years “proves” Belichick sucks. Weird logic.

And I completely agree about Brady the question is would he have gotten the same chance if another team drafted him? I’m not so sure he would have.

 

[Tottie]

Right... Belichick is completely beholden to Brady, but Tom's greatness happened in a vacuum.

You understand football rosters consist of 53 players not including the practice squad right? I mean Tom doesn't play defense, doesn't block or catch for himself and contributed nothing on special teams...

Ask Andrew Luck why he retired early, was it because he wasn't good enough, didn't possess the "clutch gene?"

Just dumb.

#faneurysms

That's not at all what I said. I'm not on the other side of this thing. I said you are ridiculous, and you are.

 

[Triumph]

Brady didn't appear out of the aether, god didn't come to BB on a mountain top and say "I'll send you a savior," then Brady appeared from behind a burning bush. BB drafted him, carried him on a roster with 4 QB's, moved him up the depth chart directly behind Bledsoe and according to Michael Holley's book and now The Dynasty, would have eventually replaced Drew with him had he not gotten hurt.

Some of BB's drafts were worse than others, that can be said of every GM that has ever held a job in the NFL. Go look at Bill Walsh's first few drafts if you want to see bad, and he's considered The Godfather of the modern draft process.

BB drafted Brady, Seymour, Gronk, Chandler Jones, Garopollo, Wilfork, Mankins, Edelman, Light, Hightower, Thuney, Collins, Ty Warren, Asante Samuel, McCourty, Vollmer, Solder, Slater, Eugene Wilson, Deion Branch, Chung, Cassel, Vereen, Cannon, Vollmer, Malcom Brown, Trey Flowers, Shaq Mason, Ben Watson, Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon, White, Meriweather, Mayo, Daniel Graham... some of those will make the HOF, more of them should. You can say some drafts were bad, he is still one of the best talent evaluators and drafters in NFL history.

BB drafted Brady, if he went to the Cardinals in 2000 you wouldn't know who he was unless you were a Michigan fan.

And BTW without Adam Vinatieri or Seymour, Brady never would have won rings from 2001-2004. Without the defense and Dion Lewis scoring a TD three different ways Brady doesn't get past the Texans to win a ring in 2016. Without the defense and Sony running them to a ring he doesn't win in 2018. It's a TEAM game, heaping all praise on one player or person is fanboy nonsense.

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How utterly ridiculous.

Yeah, Brady didnt have a whole to do with Vinatieri kicking the winning FGs in 2001 and 2004. What a joke.

In 20 years, BB has drafted zero HOF WRs or RBs. A HOF TE who Brady pushed and made great. The same could be said for Gronk landing on the Cardinals.

 

[Wozzy]

That's not at all what I said. I'm not on the other side of this thing. I said you are ridiculous, and you are.

I'm not on any side, both sides are ridiculous.

Some context or examples why I'm ridiculous would be helpful? Otherwise keep your condescension to yourself, you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend with no point other than I'm wrong.

 

[Wozzy]

How utterly ridiculous.

Yeah, Brady didnt have a whole to do with Vinatieri kicking the winning FGs in 2001 and 2004. What a joke.

In 20 years, BB has drafted zero HOF WRs or RBs. A HOF TE who Brady pushed and made great. The same could be said for Gronk landing on the Cardinals.

48 yard kicks in the snow happen all the time and were only made possible because Brady gave Adam a pep talk before the kick... then another near 50 yarder in the Super Bowl to end it.

Good grief...

 

[Triumph]

All these Brady Deniers need is a few losses and a bleak forecast that this is their average football team for the foreseeable future.

They will come around.

 

[sb1]

All these Brady Deniers need is a few losses and a bleak forecast that this is their average football team for the foreseeable future.

They will come around.

8-8 if Brady stayed here

 

[sb1]

48 yard kicks in the snow happen all the time and were only made possible because Brady gave Adam a pep talk before the kick... then another near 50 yarder in the Super Bowl to end it.

Good grief...

Didn’t you know Brady made Malcolm intercept that pass on the goal line? I thought everyone knew that!

 

[Triumph]

The BB can plug any QB in and win crowd is in for a real dose of truth.

Get the popcorn ready.

 

[Wozzy]

The BB can plug any QB in and win crowd is in for a real dose of truth.

Get the popcorn ready.

Nobody said that. They would have competed for rings had they switched to Garapollo, you need good QB play to win, nobody disputes that. We're only disputing they are magical unicorns.

 

[luuked]

Pretty obvious why a shutout wasn’t much of a surprise. Jacoby should have never started that game.

I still don't get why people get hung up on the shutout aspect so much. It doesn't matter if you lose 0:16 or 3:16. And the team had multiple chances to kick FGs but instead preferred to go for it on fourth down to have a chance -- no matter how minimal -- to get back into the game.

I stopped trying to get into the rest of this BB Browns stuff because it is a waste of time to argue with people about it. The numbers and steady improvement of a Brown team that underwent a rebuilt are well documented on PFR and everywhere else the same way that Brady's climb from 2000 until 2005/6 to become a great -- and eventually GOAT -- QB is also documented.

But people just love their narratives more than facts because at some point -- and for whatever reason -- those narratives became part of their identity.

 

[lancerman]

I have no idea what your meltdown is about but I stopped reading after realizing nothing at all had to do with what I wrote. You either need to learn to use the reply button properly and don't respond to the wrong person or practice reading comprehension. I was talking about your questionable obsession with shut outs and the fact your are ignoring the fact that they had no healthy QB in their game against their Bills.

Nothing what you wrote in response has anything to do with my post.

My obsession with shut outs? How many times did I bring up the shut out? Twice maybe?

Anyways point is you have no credibility to start to make excuses about losses where your QB dropped 41 points on a team they could even score on a few week ago when you already are trying to to self serving go from 118 games to only considering 20.

When 4 weeks later you have a 41 point turn around against the same team that results in a change in outcome and the difference is you went back to your starting QB, it is evidence of the value of your QB in that context. The end. Maybe follow along on the posts you are responding to before getting upset.

 

[lancerman]

Bradyites get so emotional defending their binky- as if a) there’s anything to defend him from and b) as if Brady gives two craps about the Brady rump polishers Lmao

Well everyone has already called you out so it’s time for you to go on ignore. Can’t deal with big dumb brick walls.

 

[sb1]

Well everyone has already called you out so it’s time for you to go on ignore. Can’t deal with big dumb brick walls.

I couldn’t agree more! See ya

 

[sb1]

Nobody said that. They would have competed for rings had they switched to Garapollo, you need good QB play to win, nobody disputes that. We're only disputing they are magical unicorns.

Belichick would win titles with far more QBs than Brady would with head coaches.

 

[Wozzy]

Belichick would win titles with far more QBs than Brady would with head coaches.

The notion Tom would have made Marty Mornhinweg or Rich Kotite the winningest coach in history, or made Ryan Grigson's GM decisions and drafts look good is glue sniffing fan blather... it's absurd.

 

[sb1]

The notion Tom would have made Marty Mornhinweg or Rich Kotite the winningest coach in history, or made Ryan Grigson's GM decisions and drafts look good is glue sniffing fan blather... it's absurd.

Yup. I think it’s possible he wins one - not 6- with a good coach like say, Andy Reid. The question is would anyone other than Belichick have given him a real shot to supplant a franchise QB who just signed a huge deal? Doubt it. There was a good reason why he was ignored until the 6th round, his scouting report wasn’t exactly flattering.

 

[Patsgofor4]

The BB can plug any QB in and win crowd is in for a real dose of truth.

Get the popcorn ready.

We shall see. I think that you are very foolish to be that confident about BB failing without Brady. Actually, given your post history on football and other subjects, many of us have come to expect freezing cold takes from you.

Just wondering, are your Brady posters held up with thumb tacks, double-sided tape or putty?

 

[Bill Lee]

Wow, ten pages of nonsensical bickering in 24 hours, keep up the good work!

 

[Patsgofor4]

The triumvirate of Tom, his best friend who sold fake cancer treatments to desperate, dying patients and The Brazilian Yoko will never forgive Bill for not looking at Brady the way he does Lawrence Taylor.
#johnnyf*ckingfoxboro