For the "Brady made Belichick" crowd

[lancerman]

I mean don't call other people disingenuous and produce this garbage sentence. You are talking about a game where they started an injured JB because they ran out of QBs in Week 4.

Similarly, the way you emphasize shut out as if it means something is pretty absurd. You know that they were multiple times in FG distance but unlike the Jets they didn't care to score points to avoid the embarrassment of a shut out but tried until the end to score enough points to be in a position to compete in that very game. Even in the last few minutes they elected to go for it in hope to recover an onside kick.

Ironically this is something that should go into the plus column for the coaching staff but somehow it went over your head.

Thats BS. You don’t get to say “I’m ignoring 98 games to only count the most favorable stretch of 20” and then when someone points out that the last game in that 20 they put up 0 points (in an uncharacteristic shutout) against a team that merely 4 weeks later they put up 41 points on you try to make excuses for it.

Yeah, let’s only count the 1.25 out of 7 seasons that make my argument work then make excuses for why the losses in my already skewed sample size don’t work. Why don’t you just say that none of the losses in Bill’s career without Brady count because it’s better for your argument.

In the context of this discussion, that’s basically what you are doing. And it is disingenuous garbage... on your part.

It would be like me saying “Let’s not count the year after Brady went 16-0 and made the SB because that clearly was an abnormally good team that would skew any sample size, and let’s not count the 4 games Brady was suspended from because he went 13-1 and if he was there they likely go 18-1 and win the SB which is the same which is the same record as 07 so same logic.” But I’m not arguing for that.

So if you are going to argue for only counting a fraction of the sample size because it suits you, you better not make an excuse for a shutout loss. That’s a crap outcome in any circumstances.

Otherwise, let’s not even discuss it and you can just only count the games Bill won without Brady to make it easy on yourselves.

 

[sb1]

Me: count all the stats

You: only count the minority of stats they helps my argument. Plz guyz

ROFLMAO.

So mad

 

[sb1]

Belichick is the GOAT....Brady is also the GOAT. Together they were the envy of 31 other franchises and tens of millions of fans. To discredit one in an effort to form a narrative for the other is an exercise in futility & stupidity.

Neither will be as successful without the other. But that doesn’t mean they both aren’t the GOAT’s at their respective job

Belichick probably wins one without Brady.

Brady is likely out of football years ago if he wasn’t drafted and groomed by the Patriots.

 

[Triumph]

Brady doesn’t win squat w/o great defenses on the other side of the ball.

12 wins last year after the Boogermen were exposed in the Ravens game. And, an offense TD was taken away in KC loss. Brady had the worst supporting cast in the NFL.

This place is going to be epic when the 2020 NE QB does not deliver like Brady and the losses start piling up like cord wood.

 

[sb1]

Thats BS. You don’t get to say “I’m ignoring 98 games to only count the most favorable stretch of 20” and then when someone points out that the last game in that 20 they put up 0 points (in an uncharacteristic shutout) against a team that merely 4 weeks later they put up 41 points on you try to make excuses for it.

Yeah, let’s only count the 1.25 out of 7 seasons that make my argument work then make excuses for why the losses in my already skewed sample size don’t work. Why don’t you just say that none of the losses in Bill’s career without Brady count because it’s better for your argument.

In the context of this discussion, that’s basically what you are doing. And it is disingenuous garbage... on your part.

It would be like me saying “Let’s not count the year after Brady went 16-0 and made the SB because that clearly was an abnormally good team that would skew any sample size, and let’s not count the 4 games Brady was suspended from because he went 13-1 and if he was there they likely go 18-1 and win the SB which is the same which is the same record as 07 so same logic.” But I’m not arguing for that.

So if you are going to argue for only counting a fraction of the sample size because it suits you, you better not make an excuse for a shutout loss. That’s a crap outcome in any circumstances.

Otherwise, let’s not even discuss it and you can just only count the games Bill won without Brady to make it easy on yourselves.

Bradyites get so emotional defending their binky- as if a) there’s anything to defend him from and b) as if Brady gives two craps about the Brady rump polishers Lmao

 

[sb1]

12 wins last year after the Boogermen were exposed in the Ravens game. And, an offense TD was taken away in KC loss. Brady had the worst supporting cast in the NFL.

This place is going to be epic when the 2020 NE QB does not deliver like Brady and the losses start piling up like cord wood.

Judgimg by the trash production we had at the QB position last year its a safe bet that if those losses happen they would have happened anyway if he stayed.

 

[Triumph]

Belichicks Cleveland Browns drafts were dumpster fires.

Its comical how his defenders will never admit that and like to spin and make excuses for his NE Patriots draft blunders. The lack of finding at least 1 sturdy, smart WR with legitimate talent via the draft has made life harder on Brady and hurt this team. A WR who on day 1 of camp can step in and fill a void for a few years before a new contract. Either they were made of pottery like Malc Mitchell or sharp as a hammer like Chad Jackson.

The Home Boys like them some BB drafting alright.

1995​	1​	1​	30​	30​	Craig Powell​	LB​	Ohio State​
	2​	3​	20​	84​	Eric Zeier​	QB​	Georgia​
	3​	3​	30​	94​	Mike Frederick​	DE​	Virginia​
	4​	5​	2​	136​	Tau Pupua​	DT​	Weber State​
	5​	5​	13​	147​	Mike Miller​	WR​	Notre Dame​
	6​	7​	23​	231​	A.C. Tellison​	WR​	Miami (FL)​
1994​	1​	1​	9​	9​	Antonio Langham​	DB​	Alabama​
	2​	1​	29​	29​	Derrick Alexander​	WR​	Michigan​
	3​	3​	10​	75​	Romeo Bandison​	DT​	Oregon​
	4​	5​	10​	141​	Isaac Booth​	DB​	California​
	5​	6​	10​	171​	Robert Strait​	RB​	Baylor​
	6​	7​	9​	203​	Andre Hewitt​	T​	Clemson​
1993​	1​	1​	14​	14​	Steve Everitt​	C​	Michigan​
	2​	2​	13​	42​	Dan Footman​	DE​	Florida State​
	3​	3​	27​	83​	Mike Caldwell​	LB​	Middle Tennessee State​
	4​	5​	12​	124​	Herman Arvie​	T​	Grambling State​
	5​	6​	13​	153​	Rich McKenzie​	LB​	Penn State​
	6​	7​	12​	180​	Travis Hill​	LB​	Nebraska​
1992​	1​	1​	9​	9​	Tommy Vardell​	RB​	Stanford​
	2​	2​	24​	52​	Patrick Rowe​	WR​	San Diego State​
	3​	3​	9​	65​	Bill Johnson​	DT​	Michigan State​
	4​	3​	22​	78​	Gerald Dixon​	LB​	South Carolina​
	5​	6​	3​	143​	Rico Smith​	WR​	Colorado​
	6​	6​	23​	163​	George Williams​	DT​	Notre Dame​
	7​	7​	9​	177​	Selwyn Jones​	DB​	Colorado State​
	8​	9​	9​	233​	Tim Hill​	DB​	Kansas​
	9​	10​	8​	260​	Marcus Lowe​	DT​	Baylor​
	10​	11​	9​	289​	Augustin Olobia​	WR​	Washington State​
	11​	12​	8​	316​	Keithen McCant​	QB​	Nebraska​
	12​	12​	21​	329​	Tim Simpson​	C​	Illinois​
1991​	1​	1​	2​	2​	Eric Turner​	DB​	UCLA​
	2​	2​	2​	29​	Ed King​	G​	Auburn​
	3​	3​	2​	57​	James Jones​	DT​	Northern Iowa​
	4​	4​	2​	85​	Pio Sagapulutele​	DT​	San Diego State​
	5​	6​	2​	141​	Michael Jackson​	WR​	Southern Mississippi​
	6​	8​	2​	197​	Frank Conover​	DT​	Syracuse​
	7​	9​	2​	225​	Raymond Irvin​	DB​	Central Florida​
	8​	9​	16​	239​	Shawn Wiggins​	WR​	Wyoming​
	9​	10​	2​	252​	Brian Greenfield​	P​	Pittsburgh​
	10​	11​	2​	280​	Todd Jones​	G​	Henderson State​
	11​	12​	2​	308​	Elijah Austin​	DT​	North Carolina St​

 

[Triumph]

BB got away with bad drafts in NE because Brady made it work somehow.

Brady made a lot of players and coaches rich in the NFL. BOB, Weis, McDonalds, Cassel, Crennel, Patricia, Mangina, Branch, Solder, but they were all missing something. Brady

 

[Tony2046]

UPF,

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

You could have.

Try saying it with a British accent. It'll sound better.

 

[Tony2046]

Dude. Please stop quoting Harlequin Romance novels. Good Lord.

 

[Wozzy]

BB got away with bad drafts in NE because Brady made it work somehow.

Brady made a lot of players and coaches rich in the NFL. BOB, Weis, McDonalds, Cassel, Crennel, Patricia, Mangina, Branch, Solder, but they were all missing something. Brady

Brady didn't appear out of the aether, god didn't come to BB on a mountain top and say "I'll send you a savior," then Brady appeared from behind a burning bush. BB drafted him, carried him on a roster with 4 QB's, moved him up the depth chart directly behind Bledsoe and according to Michael Holley's book and now The Dynasty, would have eventually replaced Drew with him had he not gotten hurt.

Some of BB's drafts were worse than others, that can be said of every GM that has ever held a job in the NFL. Go look at Bill Walsh's first few drafts if you want to see bad, and he's considered The Godfather of the modern draft process.

BB drafted Brady, Seymour, Gronk, Chandler Jones, Garopollo, Wilfork, Mankins, Edelman, Light, Hightower, Thuney, Collins, Ty Warren, Asante Samuel, McCourty, Vollmer, Solder, Slater, Eugene Wilson, Deion Branch, Chung, Cassel, Vereen, Cannon, Vollmer, Malcom Brown, Trey Flowers, Shaq Mason, Ben Watson, Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon, White, Meriweather, Mayo, Daniel Graham... some of those will make the HOF, more of them should. You can say some drafts were bad, he is still one of the best talent evaluators and drafters in NFL history.

BB drafted Brady, if he went to the Cardinals in 2000 you wouldn't know who he was unless you were a Michigan fan.

And BTW without Adam Vinatieri or Seymour, Brady never would have won rings from 2001-2004. Without the defense and Dion Lewis scoring a TD three different ways Brady doesn't get past the Texans to win a ring in 2016. Without the defense and Sony running them to a ring he doesn't win in 2018. It's a TEAM game, heaping all praise on one player or person is fanboy nonsense.

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[luuked]

Thats BS. You don’t get to say “I’m ignoring 98 games to only count the most favorable stretch of 20” and then when someone points out that the last game in that 20 they put up 0 points (in an uncharacteristic shutout) against a team that merely 4 weeks later they put up 41 points on you try to make excuses for it.

Yeah, let’s only count the 1.25 out of 7 seasons that make my argument work then make excuses for why the losses in my already skewed sample size don’t work. Why don’t you just say that none of the losses in Bill’s career without Brady count because it’s better for your argument.

In the context of this discussion, that’s basically what you are doing. And it is disingenuous garbage... on your part.

It would be like me saying “Let’s not count the year after Brady went 16-0 and made the SB because that clearly was an abnormally good team that would skew any sample size, and let’s not count the 4 games Brady was suspended from because he went 13-1 and if he was there they likely go 18-1 and win the SB which is the same which is the same record as 07 so same logic.” But I’m not arguing for that.

So if you are going to argue for only counting a fraction of the sample size because it suits you, you better not make an excuse for a shutout loss. That’s a crap outcome in any circumstances.

Otherwise, let’s not even discuss it and you can just only count the games Bill won without Brady to make it easy on yourselves.

I have no idea what your meltdown is about but I stopped reading after realizing nothing at all had to do with what I wrote. You either need to learn to use the reply button properly and don't respond to the wrong person or practice reading comprehension. I was talking about your questionable obsession with shut outs and the fact your are ignoring the fact that they had no healthy QB in their game against their Bills.

Nothing what you wrote in response has anything to do with my post.

 

[luuked]

BB drafted Brady, if he went to the Cardinals in 2000 you wouldn't know who he was unless you were a Michigan fan.

Yeah, if he is cut after that first camp odds are Brady is selling insurances or works on a remote goat farm in 2020. But of course some people need to retroactively assign everything that he developed years later onto whatever he was in year 1.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah, if he is cut after that first camp odds are Brady is selling insurances or works on a remote goat farm in 2020. But of course some people need to retroactively assign everything that he developed years later onto whatever he was in year 1.

If he went to Arizona and had the unlucky fate to play behind the worst offensive line in the league he would walk with a limp right now, if he was lucky to walk at all... back in 2000 hitting the QB as still allowed and he was never fleet of foot.

The notion that he arrived in New England as some superhuman QB is garbage, otherwise he would have been that at Michigan and been drafted higher. He is who he is because he landed in fertile soil in New England, he had the best coaching possible in an older experienced Charlie Weis who had rings on his fingers from his days as a Giant, and ultimately Tom's natural skills and desire to be great.

He was a project who worked really hard to become who he is, had the best coaching possible, had good to great defenses around him, had consistently good offensive lines blocking for him, good weapons, and special teams that gave him favorable field position for twenty years.

Fandumb... it doesn't always make sense.

 

[sb1]

I have no idea what your meltdown is about but I stopped reading after realizing nothing at all had to do with what I wrote. You either need to learn to use the reply button properly and don't respond to the wrong person or practice reading comprehension. I was talking about your questionable obsession with shut outs and the fact your are ignoring the fact that they had no healthy QB in their game against their Bills.

Nothing what you wrote in response has anything to do with my post.

There were reports that the team expected JG to be ready and late that week he told them he wasn’t. I don’t think the team was impressed with that. Pretty obvious why a shutout wasn’t much of a surprise. Jacoby should have never started that game.

that’s when I started to think maybe JG wasn’t the guy going forward.

Only the Bradyites would blame that shutout on Belichick, just like somehow it was Belichick’s fault for the Browns collapse after the plug was pulled on their franchise. That’s why I can’t take them seriously but to their credit they’re hilarious! Even if unintentionally so

 

[Ring 6]

This quote summarized the dynasty.

Pioli: There was a point in time, I remember Bill and I having a conversation, we felt there was something symbolic when we dropped down to 51 players. What Bill was telling the players was, “Listen, we want people who are going to be here to want to be here, and who want to do things to win the way we want to win. If those people don’t want to be here, that doesn’t mean they’re bad people or bad players. That’s just not what we’re looking for. That doesn’t mean that we’re right. It’s just the way we’re going to do it.” So when we had 51 players, people were like, “Why don’t they have 53 players on their roster?” Part of the narrative internally was we don’t know of 53 people right now who want to be Patriots.

 

[Tottie]

If he went to Arizona and had the unlucky fate to play behind the worst offensive line in the league he would walk with a limp right now, if he was lucky to walk at all... back in 2000 hitting the QB as still allowed and he was never fleet of foot.

The notion that he arrived in New England as some superhuman QB is garbage, otherwise he would have been that at Michigan and been drafted higher. He is who he is because he landed in fertile soil in New England, he had the best coaching possible in an older experienced Charlie Weis who had rings on his fingers from his days as a Giant, and ultimately Tom's natural skills and desire to be great.

He was a project who worked really hard to become who he is, had the best coaching possible, had good to great defenses around him, had consistently good offensive lines blocking for him, good weapons, and special teams that gave him favorable field position for twenty years.

Fandumb... it doesn't always make sense.

You are out of your mind. Your posts are so far gone it's embarrassing. I just want you to know that.

 

[sb1]

I love Bradyite logic.

They get so triggered when someone calls their binky a product of the Patriots system. But as everyone knows Belichick couldn’t possibly gotten any better as a head coach in 30 years he’s the same as he was in Cleveland so lEtS TaLk ABoUt His UnDEr .500 rECord 30 YeaRs Ago

Makes sense right?

Too funny.

 

[Tottie]

I love Bradyite logic.

They get so triggered when someone calls their binky a product of the Patriots system. But as everyone knows Belichick couldn’t possibly gotten any better as a head coach in 30 years he’s the same as he was in Cleveland so lEtS TaLk ABoUt His UnDEr .500 rECord 30 YeaRs Ago

Makes sense right?

Too funny.

This post actually is not half bad in the sense that BB did absolutely get better. The thought posted above yours that when Brady joined the league he had the best coaching staff is laughable. BB had just gotten there. Did he turn the Jets defense into a SB powerhouse just before that? Or Cleveland? Please. They both grew together and both men are who they are because of themselves and their respective teammates. Brady would of been great anywhere provided he would of gotten a chance. Some great players never do. Same goes with BB, but at least he had already gotten a chance in Cleveland.

 

[Wozzy]

You are out of your mind. Your posts are so far gone it's embarrassing. I just want you to know that.

Right... Belichick is completely beholden to Brady, but Tom's greatness happened in a vacuum.

You understand football rosters consist of 53 players not including the practice squad right? I mean Tom doesn't play defense, doesn't block or catch for himself and contributed nothing on special teams...

Ask Andrew Luck why he retired early, was it because he wasn't good enough, didn't possess the "clutch gene?"

Just dumb.

#faneurysms