Jacoby Brissett, would you take him back if cut by the Colts ?

[supafly]

No

 

[Rusty Coupe]

The starting QB for the Chargers in 2020 as of now is Tyrod Taylor. That would seem to be a more attractive situation for Jacoby in terms of seeing the field than the Patriots.

 

[Kdo5]

He wouldn’t be a long term answer but he would be good enough to have us competing for the AFC East and a 10-6 record.

 

[stcjones]

Compete with Hoyer for 2 sure why not

If Bill feels like he would be a good backup to Stid and you could sign him right....then sure!

 

[turkeyneck]

If he gets cut, then he has no contract. You pay what the market bears. Since precious few teams have anything resembling an open competition for starting QB, there is not going to be a bidding war.

I like Stidham, but anyone thinking that JB is worse than Hoyer at playing QB (mentoring a rookie QB may be another story, though) is being silly.

I'm good with JB if he can be had on the cheap, just not at anything like his Colts contract. I'd rather him than what's left of Hoyer. Stidham and Brissett are a better style match than Stidham and Hoyer. That's got to make it smoother for the offense if Brissett needs to come in.

 

[Vatahala]

I'm trying to figure out Jacoby's plan.

He got $20 million Gtd. from the Colts so he's not worried about paying rent.

How low of a salary will you consider or it is more signing with a team with a chance to win back a #1 starters job.

I would bet money is secondary and he goes where this a borderline QB in place.

 

[Tottie]

I'm not a fan of cutting Hoyer for Jacoby. Hoyer brings leadership and by all accounts is great at running the scout team. I wouldn't complain about it though if somehow we could get Jacoby for almost nothing. What do you do if he beats out Stidham in camp though? I don't really want to roll with Brissett without at least seeing what the kid can do first.

 

[Simpelton]

I'm not a fan of cutting Hoyer for Jacoby. Hoyer brings leadership and by all accounts is great at running the scout team.

I'm sorry, the QB2 needs to be able to play QB. Hoyer hasn't been able to do that in years. If we were sure that our starter was good enough to start that'd be one thing, but Hoyer is a terrible insurance policy if Stidham struggles or, God forbid, gets hurt.

Three sitations you need the QB2 to play at an acceptable level

1: QB1 is hurt
2: QB1 is ineffective and starting to feel it emotionally and you need to get him out of there
3: You need to give the team a different look for a certain play or formation

In exactly zero of those situations do I trust Hoyer over Brissett.

Even from the standpoint of mentorship I'd rather trust a career backup who's been around the league awhile but is still in his playing prime, over a glorified coach, especially with a virtual rookie as QB1

Anyone better than Brissett is probably looking for a starting gig, so if you can snap him up and make him a backup, you do it yesterday.

 

[Simpelton]

I'd happily hire Hoyer as a coach, I have a gut feeling he'd make a really good WR coach in particular, but I wouldn't trust him above QB3 at this point in his career.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

we already have D’Mar

 

[Tottie]

I'm sorry, the QB2 needs to be able to play QB. Hoyer hasn't been able to do that in years. If we were sure that our starter was good enough to start that'd be one thing, but Hoyer is a terrible insurance policy if Stidham struggles or, God forbid, gets hurt.

Three sitations you need the QB2 to play at an acceptable level

1: QB1 is hurt
2: QB1 is ineffective and starting to feel it emotionally and you need to get him out of there
3: You need to give the team a different look for a certain play or formation

In exactly zero of those situations do I trust Hoyer over Brissett.

Even from the standpoint of mentorship I'd rather trust a career backup who's been around the league awhile but is still in his playing prime, over a glorified coach, especially with a virtual rookie as QB1

Anyone better than Brissett is probably looking for a starting gig, so if you can snap him up and make him a backup, you do it yesterday.

I think Hoyer can do the same job or better as far as being a backup, in every measure. That includes play. I just wouldn't want to have him penciled in as a starter. I don't want Jacoby penciled in either, but at least he's young. Because he's young and has more upside I can see your point though.

 

[Kdo5]

I'm not a fan of cutting Hoyer for Jacoby. Hoyer brings leadership and by all accounts is great at running the scout team. I wouldn't complain about it though if somehow we could get Jacoby for almost nothing. What do you do if he beats out Stidham in camp though? I don't really want to roll with Brissett without at least seeing what the kid can do first.

Brissett brings better leadership than Hoyer.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Looking around the whole league, if someone wanted to start, New England has one of the shakiest situations at QB and would be an attractive destination.

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[Simpelton]

I think Hoyer can do the same job or better as far as being a backup, in every measure. That includes play.

Then you're simply wrong. By every measurable standard as well as every available statistic, Hoyer is a worse quarterback than Brissett on the field. He's less dynamic, less intinctive, less efficient, less accurate, has less arm power, is less athletic and more prone to turnovers. Brissett also has a track record as a good motivator and field leader, which would be the only ways in which Hoyer could actually compete with him but those aren't really measurables so we'll call them a wash, Brissett is literally superior in every other way.

Brissett is a conservative thrower so Hoyer can occasionally make more aggressive plays but looking at the turnover differential that's not really a good thing

Hoyer started 2 games for the Colts in which they went 0-2 while Brissett wenr 7-7 (Remember, Brissett wasn't even supposed to start last year!). Hoyer's literally the reason the Colts had a losing record.

I'll take a guy who went .500 as a starter last year as my QB2 15 times out of 10, especially compared to a guy who hasn't started and won a football game since 2015

 

[Simpelton]

The starting QB for the Chargers in 2020 as of now is Tyrod Taylor. That would seem to be a more attractive situation for Jacoby in terms of seeing the field than the Patriots.

I'd take Tyrod over Hoyer as a backup too. Heck, Tyrod and Brissett are basically the same player.

Which is why I don't think the Chargers will touch Brissett, they basically already have him.

 

[Pape]

Will brissett play for peanuts like Hoyer? I don't think we have the cap to bring in Jacoby, even at 4 million a year... Which would be a more than reasonable salary for him, based on his experience

 

[Simpelton]

Will brissett play for peanuts like Hoyer? I don't think we have the cap to bring in Jacoby, even at 4 million a year... Which would be a more than reasonable salary for him, based on his experience

That's another problem, but with an untried starter, I'd be much happier with a more robust solution at QB2.

This is a bit of a burn-the-boats-to-take-the-island scenario we have going on with Stidham right now, and I'm left really hoping all the optimism is justified. Even if Stidham is the real deal I'd rather have a guy who can come in and play .500 ball for a few weeks in case there's an injury to cover for. Can anyone here actually see Hoyer doing that?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Then you're simply wrong. By every measurable standard as well as every available statistic, Hoyer is a worse quarterback than Brissett on the field. He's less dynamic, less intinctive, less efficient, less accurate, has less arm power, is less athletic and more prone to turnovers. Brissett also has a track record as a good motivator and field leader, which would be the only ways in which Hoyer could actually compete with him but those aren't really measurables so we'll call them a wash, Brissett is literally superior in every other way.

Brissett is a conservative thrower so Hoyer can occasionally make more aggressive plays but looking at the turnover differential that's not really a good thing

Hoyer started 2 games for the Colts in which they went 0-2 while Brissett wenr 7-7 (Remember, Brissett wasn't even supposed to start last year!). Hoyer's literally the reason the Colts had a losing record.

I'll take a guy who went .500 as a starter last year as my QB2 15 times out of 10, especially compared to a guy who hasn't started and won a football game since 2015

The same Jacoby Brissett that the Patriots traded away for a WR bust, and the same Brian Hoyer they got back from the 49ers to serve as backup? Just want to make sure I understand I have these guys right, since the Patriots roster transactions suggest the opposite of what you’re saying.

I'd take Tyrod over Hoyer as a backup too. Heck, Tyrod and Brissett are basically the same player.

Which is why I don't think the Chargers will touch Brissett, they basically already have him.

Tyrod and Brissett the same player? Ha ha ha! I see your football “analysis” is skin deep.

 

[Simpelton]

The same Jacoby Brissett that the Patriots traded away for a WR bust, and the same Brian Hoyer they got back from the 49ers to serve as backup? Just want to make sure I understand I have these guys right, since the Patriots roster transactions suggest the opposite of what you’re saying.

The heck are you talking about? They added Hoyer into that deal because the 49ers were going to release him anyway because with Jimmy G and beathard they didn't need him anymore, and the Pats felt Hoyer was a good cheap backup that suited the team well because it was unlikely he'd ever see the field.

As for the Brissett trade, I'd like to remind you of this:




You seem to have forgotten that Dorsett played a pretty large role for a depth player in both the divisional round and the AFCCG, with a touchdown in each, on the way to winning the Superbowl. Again, for a non-starting player, that's not an unimpressive playoff run.

In fact I could be remembering this wrong but didn't Dorsett have literally the only receiving TDs in the entire Patriots playoff run that year? I know we used our RBs, especially Burkhead and Michel, to finish off a lot of drives in both games and I know both teams worked very hard to cancel out Gronk and Edelman. We used our receivers to get field position but didn't get many receiving TDs in the playoffs that year, those 2 might have been the only ones we had.

They traded was at the time our 3rd QB to a team that actually had room to play him, and got a guy who turned out to be significant in a Superbowl run the next year. you can call it what you want but to me, that was a win win trade.

Tyrod and Brissett the same player? Ha ha ha! I see your football “analysis” is skin deep.

Look at the stats and tell me I'm wrong. They're both right around .500 as QBs with low yardage rates, and they both have a very low TD rate but also an even lower pick rate. Conservative, ball possession QBs who tend to win about as many games as they lose, and both in the same QB bracket as low tier starters/high tier backups.

 

[Joker]

#1..the Patriots are NEVER bringing Brissett back this season

#2...the Patriots are never bringing Brissett back period

#3...any "Pats" fan that even hints, even merely suggests an appearance for ANY reason by Tyrod Taylor needs to turn in his fancard for green Fireman Ed helmet