Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[JetFan79]

You go ahead and show the rest of us how non violent offenders released into the public helps stunt this virus from spreading and then we can talk.

The rest of us already know. It's not rocket science dude.

 

[venecol]

If he said that I must’ve missed it. I thought valid questions were presented in his OP about the issue.

The releasing of prisoners doesn’t bother me. But I want to know who is getting released and who isn’t.

I think the prison guards and personnel are being ignored in this discussion. The purpose is to let older population that are more susceptible to the virus out, people that would be released in a month anyway, along with youth detention center kids because of psychological effect of isolation with no visitors and finally, there's less guards available for other reasons.

I think it's a population control management issue more so than a prison reform issue.

 

[festy1986]

The rest of us already know. It's not rocket science dude.

Joke status response

 

[lancerman]

The rest of us already know. It's not rocket science dude.

It’s almost like the Punisher over here doesn’t realize that “gasp” prisoners get released and then if they are all sick they go in the general population and spread it. Or gasp.... guards and social workers have to interact with these people.

But be nice, for some people this is rocket science

 

[maust]

It's a tough call. A friend of mine is involved with this. It's a difficult situation but it sounds like the right move. They're not releasing dangerous people into the streets rather low risk guys. Anyway it's a tough call.

I agree, it's a tough call. As more DOC officers become incapable of working or aren't allowed to because they may be carrying COVID19 the remaining officers are spread thinner and everyone (officers, inmates, workers) is at further risk of things going sideways. Under those circumstances the early release of some non violent offenders with little time left to serve or someone in a county jail there in lieu of being able to pay a fine for a 1st offense DWI or some such seems like a sensible thing to ease the strain on the system.

BTW, we've been living full time in Maine for the last year and a half or so after being seasonal residents for 30+ years. Being familiar with how overtaxed the correctional system already was here I am thinking properly administered this is a no brainer

 

[festy1986]

It’s almost like the Punisher over here doesn’t realize that “gasp” prisoners get released and then if they are all sick they go in the general population and spread it. Or gasp.... guards and social workers have to interact with these people.

But be nice, for some people this is rocket science

You created a class from within the criminal system. Low level and high level. Certain criminals matter more than others.

But the idea that non criminals rights during a crisis like this is blasphemy and I lack human compassion is beyond reason.

 

[JetFan79]

Honestly the delay in releasing older non-violent offenders likely has to do with the money prisons make off them.

They'll probably still have to pay the prison racket. Takes a little time to figure all that out.

 

[maust]

What a joke it is to release prisoners out of jail and not serve their sentence because they might get sick.

Beyond the correctional officers and facilities employees who will be put at risk in an overburdened system I have a more selfish and immediate concern. One that you should share. If someone is scheduled for release in 90 days, we'd all be at less risk if they were released now before they spend that time in an obvious potential hot bed of infection and are then released.

 

[festy1986]

Beyond the correctional officers and facilities employees who will be put at risk in an overburdened system I have a more selfish and immediate concern. One that you should share. If someone is scheduled for release in 90 days, we'd all be at less risk if they were released now before they spend that time in an obvious potential hot bed of infection and are then released.

Ask your self how these prisoners intend to catch this virus in the first place?

If you wanna release a low risk offender 2 or 3 months early then whatever.

We should be more concerned how men and woman who are isolated from the world to begin with would even catch this.

The answer is the guards who you are intending to protect anyway.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Ironic that the prisoners have a quarantine by design and their exposure to COVID-19 is due to outsiders bringing it in.

Regards,
Chris

 

[50-yard-line]

They were already partnered with China and funded 60 million dollars. It didn’t prevent anything because we still allowed people to come into the country from China. You think sending money to China would prevent this when the entire Chinese government couldn’t? You know what, that’s a great plan. I think the presidential candidates should run on exporting money to foreign countries while people here need it. It’s a sure fire winning platform.

Well, thanks for letting me know how we got Trump.

 

[maust]

Ask your self how these prisoners intend to catch this virus in the first place?

If you wanna release a low risk offender 2 or 3 months early then whatever.

We should be more concerned how men and woman who are isolated from the world to begin with would even catch this.

The answer is the guards who you are intending to protect anyway.

In your mind the only source of infections is guards? Cause no one has been incarcerated in the past couple of weeks and the rest of the population is suddenly going to be angels? You seem to have a surfeit of holes going on this subject already and since we are in agreement on the primary point you can probably stop digging this particular one with me.

 

[festy1986]

In your mind the only source of infections is guards? Cause no one has been incarcerated in the past couple of weeks and the rest of the population is suddenly going to be angels? You seem to have a surfeit of holes going on this subject already and since we are in agreement on the primary point you can probably stop digging this one with me.

I'm sorry, if prisoners on lock down cant fight this thing going forward then surely there is no help for the rest of us.

Seriously, if the prisons already have the virus, why would you let anyone out?

And if they dont want the virus and that's your reasoning in the first place where would they get it?

This is both sides at it's best.

 

[Adam Seward]

A bit of an eye opener. These plans have been on standby for 3 weeks. God forbid were in a position where T J O'Shank needs to run the show. Would be worst of the worst of the worst.

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[fnordcircle]

The biggest problem I have in discussing things like prisons and welfare with people on the right is that people on the right seem to gravitate towards a viewpoint that says "Most people in prison deserve to be there, therefore all of them should get the short end of the stick." Or, "many if not most people on foodstamps/welfare are mooches therefore let's cancel those programs."

I always form my opinions around the exceptions to the above. The innocent people who are in prison. The hard-working people who are on welfare.

I'd rather 99 mooches get to live off of welfare if it means the 1 hard worker gets taken care of. Right wingers seem to be fine with a little bit of baby being tossed with the bathwater...

 

[catent]

Your issue is not with me.

You mean nothing to me but your personal freedoms are intact because you havent committed crimes, even low level crimes.

And yes, if it came to it your personal health does in fact matter more than a criminals.

That's the right you've earned by not being a ******* to society.

I'm not here to argue wether or not there is a % of prisoners who dont belong there or if human compassion extends to all.

If you cant comprehend that you come first because you earned it then you dont believe in the system to begin with.

Italy is currently just straight up letting old people die simply because they are old. No one likes it but it's the decision they had to make and best believe if it comes law abiding citizens or prisoners the choice isnt all that hard.

If we consider the context in which those crimes occurred, the whole black-and-white principle of "a crime, no matter how small, means the person should have their health and wellbeing deprioritized" goes out the window, IMO.

Let's say someone was arrested for marijuana possession. They have a chronic pain issue and use it to manage their discomfort but live in a state that hasn't legalized it yet. This guy's health and wellbeing should be seen as a lower priority than the person who doesn't have chronic pain? Than the person who lives in a state that has legalized? Than the person who didn't get caught?

Just doesn't seem such a hard-and-fast ethical framework is right.

 

[fightingirish595]

If we consider the context in which those crimes occurred, the whole black-and-white principle of "a crime, no matter how small, means the person should have their health and wellbeing deprioritized" goes out the window, IMO.

Let's say someone was arrested for marijuana possession. They have a chronic pain issue and use it to manage their discomfort but live in a state that hasn't legalized it yet. This guy's health and wellbeing should be seen as a lower priority than the person who doesn't have chronic pain? Than the person who lives in a state that has legalized? Than the person who didn't get caught?

Just doesn't seem such a hard-and-fast ethical framework is right.

it’s baffling to me that marijuana is still criminalized and something you can even catch a fine for in some places

 

[fnordcircle]

Ask your self how these prisoners intend to catch this virus in the first place?

Guards

Visitors

Vendors

Basically anyone who gets to go home at the end of the day is the infection vector, but something inside me suggests you aren't asking this question in good faith so whatever.

 

[festy1986]

If we consider the context in which those crimes occurred, the whole black-and-white principle of "a crime, no matter how small, means the person should have their health and wellbeing deprioritized" goes out the window, IMO.

Let's say someone was arrested for marijuana possession. They have a chronic pain issue and use it to manage their discomfort but live in a state that hasn't legalized it yet. This guy's health and wellbeing should be seen as a lower priority than the person who doesn't have chronic pain? Than the person who lives in a state that has legalized? Than the person who didn't get caught?

Just doesn't seem such a hard-and-fast ethical framework is right.

I csnt argue over every little small semantic. All rules have exceptions and he isnt wrong in that regard

But when people in Italy are being left out in the dark to die by selection it's not a hard stretch to believe that our own government would do the same if it had to.

I'm not an ******* because I choose those outside or prison before those inside it.

This is strictly a scenario in which a decision HAS TO BE MADE. It ain't easy and its horrible but it is what it is.

 

[maust]

I'm sorry, if prisoners on lock down cant fight this thing going forward then surely there is no help for the rest of us.

Seriously, if the prisons already have the virus, why would you let anyone out?

And if they dont want the virus and that's your reasoning in the first place where would they get it?

This is both sides at it's best.

If you can't be bothered to think about what you post or reasonably consider what I have, what's the point of engaging?



Jails are inherently unsafe places, understaffed prisons and jails all the more so. As more correctional officers are unable to perform their function the unsafe situation will only become more exacerbated with fewer and fewer staff to handle the inmate population.

Social distancing is an impossibility in low to medium security gen pop or haven't you seen any video from the barracks style set up at county jails? Might as well be a petri dish. Why would LMFAO why would I let anyone out? Completing their sentences is going to let the people we are talking about out anyway. All I am doing is agreeing with the idea that letting short timers out early not only eases the burden on short staffed facilities but just maybe gets them out of there before they contract COVID19 in an ideal breeding ground for it and are then released to resume contact with society as carriers.

And if they dont want the virus ...

Who, exactly, does want the virus? Honestly man WTH...