NFL Rumors: Tom Brady Won’t Take Hometown Discount To Stay With Patriots

[PatsFan2]

I don't think anyone was salivating over LaFell or Hogan immediately before we signed them. It's not about flashy additions. There will be a good starting WR available on the cheap one way or another and it's up to the front office to identify that guy.

We are talking about a totally different Offense here including supporting cast. Hogan and especially LaFell played with a very good Gronk and a much younger Edelman. They are no such players on this current roster...no Gronk type TE plus a Edelman in his twilight. We need more than Role players if Brady is coming back. I cannot see him coming back here to play with a bunch of misfits. Also a lot of Teams have $$$$$ to burn regarding the cap. I don't see us out bidding many Teams for certain players we might need.

 

[PatsFan2]

AJ Green has missed the last 23 regular season games.

Brady likes playing with proven veteran receivers that's why I bought up AJ Green and E Sanders neither have many years left like Brady himself. I cannot see Brady coming back here to play with lesser players with the options he's going have in FA. I don't think it's a given he comes back here and play out his last few years.

 

[Kid~Brady]

I want brady back but i also want them to be able to put a winning team at the same time with brady. Him taking a huge chunk of the salary cap won’t help that. Brady has a super model wife who makes more money than him and loves him dearly. Idk how they share their expenses. I am not talking about a lowball offer but an offer where they could other things and sign other pieces.

Honestly, after seeing this year, I'd rather have another one of those "high scoring with an OK defense" type teams over this "amazing defense/special teams but can't score type of team." We can manage if we get a couple pieces on offense and a moderately good defense will get the job done.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Brady likes playing with proven veteran receivers that's why I bought up AJ Green and E Sanders neither have many years left like Brady himself. I cannot see Brady coming back here to play with lesser players with the options he's going have in FA. I don't think it's a given he comes back here and play out his last few years.

I have to agree with this. You get AJ green, a proven TE such as Hooper/Howard type guy and shore up this offensive line, they'd be in good shape. The current offensive line actually got alot better than last couple games. I remember Brady have adequate, sometimes all day back there in the pocket to dish out passes. We just need actual weapons.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't think anyone was salivating over LaFell or Hogan immediately before we signed them. It's not about flashy additions. There will be a good starting WR available on the cheap one way or another and it's up to the front office to identify that guy.

Me again just to clarify a Hogan or LaFell type signing wouldn't make this Offense any better. Those guys wouldn't be role players on this current Patriots Offense. The Patriots need a player like Amari Cooper but I can think of 15 Teams that can out bid us for him but who's counting.

 

[Foxypats]

Isn't Larry Fitz a FA ? Maybe we can finally sign him, the man can still play !

 

[tasmlab]

We are talking about a totally different Offense here including supporting cast. Hogan and especially LaFell played with a very good Gronk and a much younger Edelman. They are no such players on this current roster...no Gronk type TE plus a Edelman in his twilight. We need more than Role players if Brady is coming back. I cannot see him coming back here to play with a bunch of misfits. Also a lot of Teams have $$$$$ to burn regarding the cap. I don't see us out bidding many Teams for certain players we might need.

Don't forget about Dola, he was on most of those team too.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Breer was on 98.5 this morning. Most of what they said was just rambling and I just thought not particularly insightful.

But they touched briefly on one aspect that I've been thinking about — the complexity of the Patriots offensive system. It's not just rookies that struggle with it; there's been a long line of previously successful veterans come through here and fail as well. Exceptions among veterans and rookies have been rare. I also sometimes wonder if Brady's knowledge and football sense is so extremely advanced that it becomes even harder for newcomers to catch up to him.

We've heard in past year's about the Patriots "simplifying" their defense depending on personnel. So, I'm asking the All-22 scheme -type experts here: is there some way the offense can be simplified — under Brady and the core personnel they have now plus one or two additions — going forward, and succeed and possibly produce more points? Surely some teams have been very productive with less complicated systems.

 

[IcyPatriot]

If you're the Chargers ... $56 million cap space.

... and you find a way to get Brady, AB and OBJ ... would you?

... Brady , Kennan Allen, Mike Williams, AB. Melvin Gordon, Hunter Henry ... not bad.

 

[sean10mm]

You can simplify the offense if you have the players to just out-talent people.

If you don't, you need the complexity to make the most of lesser talent to scheme people open.

If you have mediocre talent AND are too dumb to learn the offense... there's kind of no way to get there from here.

Also you can't really simplify the scheme to make them stop dropping the balls that do hit them, and the Pats were #2 in drops.

 

[Patsgofor4]

If you're the Chargers ... $56 million cap space.

... and you find a way to get Brady, AB and OBJ ... would you?

... Brady , Kennan Allen, Mike Williams, AB. Melvin Gordon, Hunter Henry ... not bad.

If JMD gets the head coaching gig in Cleveland, I doubt that OBJ is going anywhere.

 

[kennyb]

I'm hoping brady goes to a new team. He hasn't much time left, no sense wasting it here with slow, useless wrs. That would be insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results.

 

[holyredeemer]

I'm hoping brady goes to a new team. He hasn't much time left, no sense wasting it here with slow, useless wrs. That would be insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results.

I hear ya. I mean, who could dare hope that all of these WR’s that just finished yr. 1 in the system, and for several, their first yr. in the league to actually improve in year 2. Not to mention any possible trade/draft/FA signings that could improve the team.

 

[mgteich]

Let's be clear. Say, Brady is "worth" $25.25M to the patriots. You would rather have a 1-year contract and take all the hit in 2020 plus the $6.75M from the old contract, for a total 2020 cap hit of $32M? Really?

Much better is another contract which replaces the current contract, and extended the term through 2022. The parties would have choices. They count have a high option bonus for 2021 so the salary is irrelevant, or they could have a voidable contract, again barring any tags.

2020 cap hit of $16M
$1.25M salary
$6.75M from old contract
$8M 1/3 of $24 signing bonus)

Cutting Brady would give us a 2020 cap hit of $13.5M plus the cost of whatever our #2 QB costs. (This won't new below the breakeven point of $2.5M).

It’s not show me, it’s reality. No one knows how many years Brady has left but it’s not a lot. A series of one year contract makes the most sense. Paying Brady mostly while he plays and not throwing dead money into the future is the wisest move. That doesn’t have to mean he makes less money.
What is the point of guaranteeing money to beyond his retirement?

 

[Ring 6]

Let's be clear. Say, Brady is "worth" $25.25M to the patriots. You would rather have a 1-year contract and take all the hit in 2020 plus the $6.75M from the old contract, for a total 2020 cap hit of $32M? Really?

when in the world did I say that?

Much better is another contract which replaces the current contract, and extended the term through 2022. The parties would have choices. They count have a high option bonus for 2021 so the salary is irrelevant, or they could have a voidable contract, again barring any tags.

Exactly. That’s what a series of one year contracts means. You write a 3 year contract and bonus/salary on the impact of it ending after year 1 or 2.

2020 cap hit of $16M
$1.25M salary
$6.75M from old contract
$8M 1/3 of $24 signing bonus)

Too much signing bonus. Too much pushed to future. Need to hedge it. Essentially you to write it like 3 1 year deals in terms of cash then choose the risk factor on the bonus

If we assume 25 mil per year that’s 3/75
Sunk money is irrelevant.
30 mill new money this year would be 15 salary 15 bonus.
Cap number is 26.75, 10 million lower than this year
20 mill salary year 2, cap 31.75 (dead money 16.75)
25 mill salary year 3, cap 30 mill (dead money 5 mill)
And depending upon how 2020 goes and the cab and new cap, you decide about converting some of 2021 salary to bonus, ie borrow it from 2022.

Cutting Brady would give us a 2020 cap hit of $13.5M plus the cost of whatever our #2 QB costs. (This won't new below the breakeven point of $2.5M).

Cutting Brady would be stupid

 

[TBR]

I also sometimes wonder if Brady's knowledge and football sense is so extremely advanced that it becomes even harder for newcomers to catch up to him.

That's a pretty good point. Makes me wonder how great a fit someone like Sanders would've been, since he clicked right away with Manning in Denver. That would've been valuable experience.

Same goes for AB as well. He seems to have a high-football IQ plus has all those years under his belt with Roethlisberger. Those are guys who get it.

 

[mgteich]

Thanks for clarifying.

1) A 3 year contract would need to have an out clause for Brady (either voidable or a large option). Also, tags would be again excluded.

2) 2019 cap is irrelevant. I don't want to use $20M of our available cap money on Brady's new contract. I don't see the problem with pushing more money into the future, into the next CBA contract. When Brady goes, this dead cap money would balanced by the rookie contract of the new quarterback.

3) I shouldn't have used the word "cut". Brady's contract ends at the end of the 2019 contract year. I was comparing the situation with the possibility of Brady moving to another team. While I agree that letting this happen could be labelled "stupid", I think that there is a good chance of this happening. The 2019 contract certainly made such a split more likely.

when in the world did I say that?


Exactly. That’s what a series of one year contracts means. You write a 3 year contract and bonus/salary on the impact of it ending after year 1 or 2.


Too much signing bonus. Too much pushed to future. Need to hedge it. Essentially you to write it like 3 1 year deals in terms of cash then choose the risk factor on the bonus

If we assume 25 mil per year that’s 3/75
Sunk money is irrelevant.
30 mill new money this year would be 15 salary 15 bonus.
Cap number is 26.75, 10 million lower than this year
20 mill salary year 2, cap 31.75 (dead money 16.75)
25 mill salary year 3, cap 30 mill (dead money 5 mill)
And depending upon how 2020 goes and the cab and new cap, you decide about converting some of 2021 salary to bonus, ie borrow it from 2022.


Cutting Brady would be stupid

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks for clarifying.

1) A 3 year contract would need to have an out clause for Brady (either voidable or a large option). Also, tags would be again excluded.

No real need for that

2) 2019 cap is irrelevant. I don't want to use $20M of our available cap money on Brady's new contract. I don't see the problem with pushing more money into the future, into the next CBA contract. When Brady goes, this dead cap money would balanced by the rookie contract of the new quarterback.

2019 is over I’m talking about 2020. The contact I gave SAVES 10 mill.
The Patriots obviously don’t want to push a ton if minty into the future in a 43 year old. My example would have 16.75 dead money if he is give after 1 year and 5 mill after 2. That seems sensible.

3) I shouldn't have used the word "cut". Brady's contract ends at the end of the 2019 contract year. I was comparing the situation with the possibility of Brady moving to another team. While I agree that letting this happen could be labelled "stupid", I think that there is a good chance of this happening. The 2019 contract certainly made such a split more likely.

At this age every contract has to have that feature. Brees does as well

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Brady likes playing with proven veteran receivers that's why I bought up AJ Green and E Sanders neither have many years left like Brady himself. I cannot see Brady coming back here to play with lesser players with the options he's going have in FA. I don't think it's a given he comes back here and play out his last few years.

Tom Brady sowed his own decline by devoting more attention to established veterans rather than nurturing young talent. When you don't focus energy on developing young talent on rookie deals, you are left with journeyman veterans who can understand a playbook but can't break man to man coverage.

It is conventional wisdom to bemoan the team's inability to draft young receivers. It is possible, however, that part of this failure -- if not the majority of it -- results from Brady wanting success NOW with his receivers rather than mentoring them for LATER. In the first half of his career, Brady seemed more willing to work with younger players and this resulted in Gronk's development. In recent years, however, Brady has seemed frustrated with young talent not grasping the complex offense within a season. In a salary cap league, it isn't fair of Brady to want veterans rather than young players while also being mad that the veterans are mediocre (explaining their availability and affordability). The exception to the rule was Antonio Brown and his unique brand of psychosis. Unless Brady takes a veteran minimum deal, the team can't just go sign Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman off the street to complement Brady's Jordan.

It was refreshing seeing Russell Wilson brimming with excitement over the improved play of rookie D.K. Metcalf this past weekend. I hope this enthusiasm nets him and Metcalf success. If Brady does return, here's hoping he can stop glaring at his younger players and find a way to teach and mentor them like he did with Gronk and others in the first half of his career.

 

[Toofy]

This is my first post. Long time lurker.

I think much of our success was to do with having an established core which allowed other players to thrive. Having gronk and edelman allowed white and amendola to thrive and make our offense a potent one. Brady missing the initial practice sessions also does not help younger receivers, hence the need to go with veterans . This worked fine till we had the core of super performing offense in edelman and gronk. Without them probably it will not work.

Brady chances of getting another bowl are pretty slim on this team. With our cap space and options, I don't see us be able to compete. Brady is probably too smart and he realized that and that why he was so forthcoming of ABs inclusion. Sadly that dis not work out and it's the nail in the coffin.

If chargers have 55 million cap space it's no brainer for Brady to go there along with AB and OBJ.

My gut says he will not return back and Brady is chasing a seventh and without us adding two superstar veterans on offense it's impossible. If we resign AB back, maybe there is a chance otherwise we need to resign to fate.