Survey: how much should Brady be paid for him to stay next year?

[FCB02062]

They could have done more.

I know very well there's only so much money to go around. I'm saying it was allocated badly. We could have the best defense in the NFL and it wouldn't cover up the lack of investment on the offense, because in today's NFL, there is no defense that can prevent KC from scoring 24. Or Baltimore. Your offense has to score 27 against those teams for you to win.

For instance, take Terrence Brooks's money and Bolden's money, and get yourself two OL backups. Newhouse, Elmuenor, etc., these late adds were very bad and just highlighted the fact that we went into the season without capable backups except for Karras.

We went into the season without Anotnio Brown--it was a fluke he was even available, so he wasn't even a part of the plans. He couldn't have been. Instead we signed cut-rate WRs we signed like Harris, Inman and Thomas. Do better there. Draft more TEs and WRs too for backup depth. We had enough extra picks to take another guy and a TE, like Mecole Hardman, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Irv Smith Jr., Terry McLaurin, Dawson Knox, Hunter Renfrow, Darius Slayton, Kaden Smith, etc. Hell we dumped a few late round picks because we didn't want to use them. Surely, we could have thrown darts at 3 OLs and hoped one of them would be a better backup than the disasters we rostered.

They spent 3d and 4th rd picks on Froholdt and Cajuste in 2019, both as usual is the case with NE draft picks, got hurt and contributed NOTHING this season. Pats ended up w Newhouse, et al, because the two relatively high draft pick OL got IR'd and another veteran they brought in retired.

 

[IllegalContact]

This thread is ricockulous. He should be paying us to have a spot on the franchise he won 6 (7?) Super Bowls with. ****in’ millennials. Next thing you know Brady will be serving oat milk lattes down in Cambridge because his Eastern European Yogurt History Degree from Michigan can’t get him a real job.

If the browns draft Brady instead of spergon Wynn, he would be hanging with ty detmer

giovanni carmazzi ain’t walkin’ in through that door, folks!!!!!

 

[The Brandon Five]

With cap going up another 10mil the range will be 23-27mil.

New CBA might bump that up even more. Some are speculating that this prospect is part of what is driving Tom's decision to take his chances.

 

[IllegalContact]

New CBA might bump that up even more. Some are speculating that this prospect is part of what is driving Tom's decision to take his chances.

that chance does not come without risk

 

[upstater1]

They spent 3d and 4th rd picks on Froholdt and Cajuste in 2019, both as usual is the case with NE draft picks, got hurt and contributed NOTHING this season. Pats ended up w Newhouse, et al, because the two relatively high draft pick OL got IR'd and another veteran they brought in retired.

Cajuste was hurt prior to the draft. They knew he wouldn't have been playing this year. I'm not talking about the future of the team. I'm talking about this year's team. Cajuste may turn out to be a future All-Pro, but he was never going to play on this year's team. Froholdt is a guard (and apparently not a very good one according to practice reports), and clearly given the Filene's Basement bargain shopping we did for Newhouse and Cunningham, we needed depth at tackle.

 

[upstater1]

My problem with this argument is that you are just focusing on our team, in a vacuum.

Do all the other teams have better O-line and Receivers?

The answer is, obviously, no.

Brady has made a career making no-name WRs appear better than they are, but he's no longer in this phase of his career.

I have no idea what's going to happen this offseason.

I struggle to think when the OL and WRs have ever been this bad. The talent level is low. Apparently, some people here will be surprised if he goes to another team and is on top of the league next year. I certainly won't be.

 

[JayNM]

I struggle to think when the OL and WRs have ever been this bad. The talent level is low. Apparently, some people here will be surprised if he goes to another team and is on top of the league next year. I certainly won't be.

On average, the O-line wasn't as bad as some might be thinkng (i feel). Started out ok, had a big strecth SUCKING but once Newhouse left, i think they straighten things out. Of course, not close to what we've been used to.

Receiving, yes, this season ends kinda tragic, unless things turn around very soon. I kinda understand to not be feeling as angry on it because the sentiment is more disappointment (For many reasons)rather than being confused of what the plan was - At one point in this season we had Josh Gordon, Edelman and AB for godsake.

But i think we can all agree that TE was out-right bad managed.

 

[upstater1]

On average, the O-line wasn't as bad as some might be thinkng (i feel). Started out ok, had a big strecth SUCKING but once Newhouse left, i think they straighten things out. Of course, not close to what we've been used to.

Receiving, yes, this season ends kinda tragic, unless things turn around very soon. I kinda understand to not be feeling as angry on it because the sentiment is more disappointment (For many reasons)rather than being confused of what the plan was - At one point in this season we had Josh Gordon, Edelman and AB for godsake.

But i think we can all agree that TE was out-right bad managed.

Agree about the OL--it has improved a lot. Brady had all day to throw against Miami.

 

[VrabelJr]

Agree about the OL--it has improved a lot. Brady had all day to throw against Miami.

Well yeah but you can’t expect our WRs to run routes with all that time. They get tired trying to run away from those pesky defensive backs!

 

[ivanvamp]

They could have done more.

I know very well there's only so much money to go around. I'm saying it was allocated badly. We could have the best defense in the NFL and it wouldn't cover up the lack of investment on the offense, because in today's NFL, there is no defense that can prevent KC from scoring 24. Or Baltimore. Your offense has to score 27 against those teams for you to win.

The Patriots held KC to 23. The 49ers held Baltimore to 20.

For instance, take Terrence Brooks's money and Bolden's money, and get yourself two OL backups. Newhouse, Elmuenor, etc., these late adds were very bad and just highlighted the fact that we went into the season without capable backups except for Karras.

Brooks and Bolden have been solid contributors to the team this year.

We went into the season without Anotnio Brown--it was a fluke he was even available, so he wasn't even a part of the plans. He couldn't have been. Instead we signed cut-rate WRs we signed like Harris, Inman and Thomas. Do better there.

Like whom? Again, it's not fair to have 20/20 hindsight. You have to make decisions in real time.

Draft more TEs and WRs too for backup depth.

Instead of drafting whom? And which TEs and WRs?

We had enough extra picks to take another guy and a TE, like Mecole Hardman, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Irv Smith Jr., Terry McLaurin, Dawson Knox, Hunter Renfrow, Darius Slayton, Kaden Smith, etc. Hell we dumped a few late round picks because we didn't want to use them. Surely, we could have thrown darts at 3 OLs and hoped one of them would be a better backup than the disasters we rostered.

And you thought all this in real time? Or when the Patriots came into the year with a WR corps of Demariyus Thomas, Josh Gordon, Edelman, Harry, and Dorsett - plus what you saw out of Meyers in the preseason - did you think, ok, this is a solid group? Because the vast majority of us felt like WR was a strength coming into the year.

Did you really think that this offense would struggle like it has this year? Next to zero chance you did. Nobody did. I thought they'd be worse than last year, but I didn't anticipate them losing Andrews (who turned out to be a HUGE loss) and Develin (another huge loss). BB has to think not only about this year but down the road, so a guy like Damien Harris, who has barely played, feels like a luxury and/or wasted pick right now, but he may end up being the lead back next year for all we know.

 

[mgteich]

I agree with almost all that you say.

However, was it really impossible to trade for a TE before the trade deadline? We obviously had the cap money, since we signed AB. A contract could easily have been structured for a TE. Apparently, the judgement of management was that we were fine with Watson, LeCosse and Izzo. And NO, I don't think that it is hindsight to wonder why the team took such a huge risk with AB, when no one else was willing to do so. What was management trying to prove?

If no TE was available, is it really possible that no OL was available? We needed backups at every OL position, and a competitor for a starting position in 2020.
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So, no, I don't often question management much. Obviously, they have given us more than any other management in the NFL. However, the use of that "last"$5M of cap money during the 2019-2020 season is truly (IMO) open to question.

The Patriots held KC to 23. The 49ers held Baltimore to 20.



Brooks and Bolden have been solid contributors to the team this year.



Like whom? Again, it's not fair to have 20/20 hindsight. You have to make decisions in real time.



Instead of drafting whom? And which TEs and WRs?



And you thought all this in real time? Or when the Patriots came into the year with a WR corps of Demariyus Thomas, Josh Gordon, Edelman, Harry, and Dorsett - plus what you saw out of Meyers in the preseason - did you think, ok, this is a solid group? Because the vast majority of us felt like WR was a strength coming into the year.

Did you really think that this offense would struggle like it has this year? Next to zero chance you did. Nobody did. I thought they'd be worse than last year, but I didn't anticipate them losing Andrews (who turned out to be a HUGE loss) and Develin (another huge loss). BB has to think not only about this year but down the road, so a guy like Damien Harris, who has barely played, feels like a luxury and/or wasted pick right now, but he may end up being the lead back next year for all we know.

 

[Biffins]

Since the Jets game in September Tom Brady ranks as one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL...since that game Brady is 301-507-3146 with 17 TD and 8 int. His rating is 82.1, which is below Mitch Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Gardner Minshew...I could go on.
Brady rates better than only 4 qualifying QBs in the league - Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, Baker Mayfield and Andy Dalton, so there's that, since game 3.
Tom Bradys 2019 performance does not warrant another contract UNLESS he takes a very small $ amount.
If you include his whole season Brady has an 88 rating and ranks 18th. Tom Brady has been a below average quarterback this season and UNLESS he does a complete 180 in the playoffs he does not deserve Krafty Bob breaking the bank for him.
No other quarterback in the NFL has exhibited such a drastic and marked CONSISTENT decline in 2019.

Grass is always greener......... people are referring to Dalton as replacement, one of the 4 guys you said rated even lower.

 

[Patstastic]

Whatever it takes

If this discussion were taking place on February 4th, 2019 I would've agreed. But Brady had by far his worst year. He's beat up with the elbow. He will be 43 next season. If it were only up to BB, I think Brady wouldn't be back in 2020. But it isn't just up to BB. The owner will have a huge say imo.

It's tough to imagine the Patriots without Tom Brady. But every great team has had to transition at some point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Grass is always greener......... people are referring to Dalton as replacement, one of the 4 guys you said rated even lower.

Won't happen in a million years.

 

[NuckyDuck]

Or 25 millions.

 

[upstater1]

The Patriots held KC to 23. The 49ers held Baltimore to 20.



Brooks and Bolden have been solid contributors to the team this year.



Like whom? Again, it's not fair to have 20/20 hindsight. You have to make decisions in real time.



Instead of drafting whom? And which TEs and WRs?



And you thought all this in real time? Or when the Patriots came into the year with a WR corps of Demariyus Thomas, Josh Gordon, Edelman, Harry, and Dorsett - plus what you saw out of Meyers in the preseason - did you think, ok, this is a solid group? Because the vast majority of us felt like WR was a strength coming into the year.

Did you really think that this offense would struggle like it has this year? Next to zero chance you did. Nobody did. I thought they'd be worse than last year, but I didn't anticipate them losing Andrews (who turned out to be a HUGE loss) and Develin (another huge loss). BB has to think not only about this year but down the road, so a guy like Damien Harris, who has barely played, feels like a luxury and/or wasted pick right now, but he may end up being the lead back next year for all we know.

I have nothing against Bolden and Brooks. I'm talking about investing more in the offense. As you said, there's a limited amount of money. Don't give it all to the defense. As for the draft, yes, knowing that Gronk isn't coming back and that we're weak with receivers, I do draft more than N'Keal Harry, and I also draft a TE.

 

[n6249c]

Question is, trade for what TE at what price? Or what OL at what price. I’m sure it would have been possible to pay stupid money for stupid deals, but is that what we want out of the FO now, after so many years of not doing stupid things to screw up the future for little present gain?

I agree with almost all that you say.

However, was it really impossible to trade for a TE before the trade deadline? We obviously had the cap money, since we signed AB. A contract could easily have been structured for a TE. Apparently, the judgement of management was that we were fine with Watson, LeCosse and Izzo. And NO, I don't think that it is hindsight to wonder why the team took such a huge risk with AB, when no one else was willing to do so. What was management trying to prove?

If no TE was available, is it really possible that no OL was available? We needed backups at every OL position, and a competitor for a starting position in 2020.
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So, no, I don't often question management much. Obviously, they have given us more than any other management in the NFL. However, the use of that "last"$5M of cap money during the 2019-2020 season is truly (IMO) open to question.

 

[mgteich]

I personally believe that there were likely backup veterans OL's who could have been had for $5M or so. I understand that many here think that this would have been a gross overpayment. After all, we had the scrubs that Belichick was able to TRADE away draft choices to get. Are the OL deals that were made by Belichick the standard?

The team traded for Cunningham and Eluemoner. They rarely were even active. We counted on the mighty Newhouse.

Question is, trade for what TE at what price? Or what OL at what price. I’m sure it would have been possible to pay stupid money for stupid deals, but is that what we want out of the FO now, after so many years of not doing stupid things to screw up the future for little present gain?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Cowherd was apparently saying that it makes the most sense for the Colts to sign Brady. They have the most cap space in the league and a good o-line.

That would SUCK.

 

[n6249c]

Cowherd was apparently saying that it makes the most sense for the Colts to sign Brady. They have the most cap space in the league and a good o-line.

That would SUCK.

I’ve been wondering if Ron Rivera might sign him to be a mentor and role model for Haskins for a year or two. The receiving corps is decent, got the OL rebuilt and I think the ingredients are there to be an acceptable landing spot for Brady.