Brady named to NFL 100 All-Time team

[Bobsyouruncle]

50 years from now, with 36 teams and 14 playoff teams and more international athletes coming to NFL as global popularity increases and genetic and legal supplementation enhancement produces even bigger and faster athletes, someone sitting on their armchair will use the exact same statement to belittle Brady’s accomplishments.

I can imagine comments in 2070 be like “Only these old farts in their 70s 80s keep raving about this Brady guy from 2000s. Noone else has seen him play. Saw some old videos and he runs like molasses. Doesn’t hold a candle in running speed to even the 30th ranked QB today. And he played in the pass happy era and yet he was surpassed in career passing stats within a decade. And now he’s not even top 20 career passing yards. Why is this guy even being considered for top 5?”

Athletes will always get bigger and faster but professionalization is a real factor. Before television money many guys could make more money working a regular job than playing. Guys would get drafted and choose not to play. The effect is the top athletes still were paid good money but the mid-level was hollow. That’s why top athletes were playing multiple positions. The players who should play those positions were working better paying jobs.

That’s really not a future change. Getting an NFL slot is like hitting the lotto, from the bottom to the top it’s the most lucrative paycheck any of them will ever get. Virtually nobody that can play, chooses not to play today.

 

[venecol]

That’s really not a future change. Getting an NFL slot is like hitting the lotto, from the bottom to the top it’s the most lucrative paycheck any of them will ever get. Virtually nobody that can play, chooses not to play today.

That's mainly true until the advent of CTE. There have been quite a few players (don't ask me to list them) that can play but decided to hang it up because of the potential CTE risks.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I see BaconBit is throwing out genius ratings like there's no tomorrow. We need to consider it a badge of honor to receive a genius rating from the Forum Resident Genius (FRG). LMFAO, too easy.

Pretty sure the FRG had Brady going in the 1st round in the 2000 draft, the rest is just blah blah blah drivel.

I mean you had trouble figuring this out in a thread talking abt QBs. Sad thing is this might be your best post of the day?

"Yea Flutie wasn't batsh*t crazy, but why are you bringing up AB in a thread about QBs"?

Glad you brought up the draft. I killed my 2013 WR/TE rankings (Hopkins 1st, Woods 2nd, Allen 2nd, Patterson 3rd) when a lot had Austin, CP in their top 3 or 1/2 overall.

Eifert, Reed, Ertz & Kelce all as 2nd Rd picks.

Don't be mad. We can't all be great at evaluating talent.

 

[venecol]

I mean you had trouble figuring this out in a thread talking abt QBs. Sad thing is this might be your best post of the day?

"Yea Flutie wasn't batsh*t crazy, but why are you bringing up AB in a thread about QBs"?

Glad you brought up the draft. I killed my 2013 WR/TE rankings (Hopkins 1st, Woods 2nd, Allen 2nd, Patterson 3rd) when a lot had Austin, CP in their top 3 or 1/2 overall.

Eifert, Reed, Ertz & Kelce all as 2nd Rd picks.

Don't be mad. We can't all be great at evaluating talent.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

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I see no lies. I'm white, Irish & great at evaluating prospects.

@venecol soooo mad

 

[venecol]

I see no lies. I'm white, Irish & great at evaluating prospects.

 

[RobertWeathers]

One who has a significant career with success and longevity. Flutie won 38 games spread over 12 years and won more than 7 just once. Forget SBs he never won a playoff game.
Are you really saying you think flutie had a successful nfl career?

Yes. He was a Pro Bowler and had a career winning record. It was certainly not a complete failure like say Ryan Leaf's . At least Flutie won games and accomplished something at an NFL level.

Way too critical.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

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Sorry I can't relate. I seriously doubt that guy in the mirror had Darius Leonard & Fred Warner as 2nd Rd picks. Or Justin Reid as a 1st.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yes. He was a Pro Bowler and had a career winning record. It was certainly not a complete failure like say Ryan Leaf's . At least Flutie won games and accomplished something at an NFL level.

Way too critical.

Not to mention the landscape & general way of thinking has changed tremendously. Flutie's height was a huge obstacle for some, for w/e reason & now how many short/shorter QBs do we see every Sunday.

He has one of many that looked different so instead of getting creative or making it work with him. He was just pushed aside. Anyone that seen him play knows he could of had helped a lot teams.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not to mention the landscape & general way of thinking has changed tremendously. Flutie's height was a huge obstacle for some, for w/e reason & now how many short/shorter QBs do we see every Sunday.

He has one of many that looked different so instead of getting creative or making it work with him. He was just pushed aside. Anyone that seen him play knows he could of had helped a lot teams.

Andy is a binary thinker. If you don't win you are not a success and a complete failure.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I see no lies. I'm white, Irish & great at evaluating prospects.

@venecol soooo mad

 

[Ring 6]

Yes. He was a Pro Bowler and had a career winning record. It was certainly not a complete failure like say Ryan Leaf's . At least Flutie won games and accomplished something at an NFL level.

Way too critical.

As I said if you want to consider Doug flutie a nfl career a success I’ll just shake my head.
I know you are a fanboy but you have to consider reality.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As I said if you want to consider Doug flutie a nfl career a success I’ll just shake my head.
I know you are a fanboy but you have to consider reality.

Your definition of success and failure is warped.

 

[Ring 6]

Your definition of success and failure is warped.

No, it’s stacking players up against their peers. This is the post that started the conversation. Are you co-signing it?

I tried to see who if anyone I would consider starting over Doug Flutie in the NFL in 1990.

Montana had been a liability since his back surgery in '86. He and Simms weren't getting any younger.

Fellow USFL alums Young and Kelly were good. Moon was awesome. Aikman had potential.

Krieg, DeBerg and Gannon were steady but unspectacular.

I could never stand Elway. Marino had the stats and the arm but, like Elway, not the intangibles or leadership.


People nitpicked about Brady's supposed deficiencies in '01 & '02; then gradually less as time went on.

What's painfully obvious to anyone paying attention is that both Flutie and Brady possess those intangible qualities that make a champion quarterback, and they WON.

Tom got his chance, while Doug just got the rug pulled out from under him in the NFL both before and after he spent his prime north of the border.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No, it’s stacking players up against their peers. This is the post that started the conversation. Are you co-signing it?

Ah.

APF is a Flutie fanatic. Hell he thinks the NEP would have won the SB in 1988 if Flutie has started instead of Eason or Grogs.

My position is Flutie was a successful NFL QB. Same category as someone like Matt Cassell or Chad Pennington.

 

[Ring 6]

Ah.

APF is a Flutie fanatic. Hell he thinks the NEP would have won the SB in 1988 if Flutie has started instead of Eason or Grogs.

My position is Flutie was a successful NFL QB. Same category as someone like Matt Cassell or Chad Pennington.

We have a very different definition of successful.

 

[everlong]

I always feel bad for Pennington whenever the Brady 6 comes up. Of that lot if he had been drafted by a real franchise and avoid injuries he could have been great. Look what he did with that pathetic green team and the arm injuries causing him to have a noodle arm. He still had an above average NFL career.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I always feel bad for Pennington whenever the Brady 6 comes up. Of that lot if he had been drafted by a real franchise and avoid injuries he could have been great. Look what he did with that pathetic green team and the arm injuries causing him to have a noodle arm. He still had an above average NFL career.

Had no problem helping Moss set records in college. Totally different player injuries but he was so good before that.

*edit* Should worded this better. I know it's bc of where he ended up that he's not considered but Randy was one of the more dominant players in college history. LOL 50+ TDs in his two years. Couldn't imagine him at FSU with PW & co




Can't forget one of the greatest plays ever.

 

[Bonzo]

Your definition of success and failure is warped.

Tom Brady is the supermassive black hole at the center of the sports galaxy, warping sense and reason.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Tom Brady is the supermassive black hole at the center of the sports galaxy, warping all sense and distorting reason.

When compared to BB, TB and 2001-2018, all other NFL team and player accomplishments fall short.