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One thing to think about...

Last year people were all “Brady’s not declining, it’s just that knee injury.”

Now this year it’s “Brady’s not declining, it’s just that elbow injury.”

Having lingering, significantly performance-affecting injuries may well *be* how decline/cliff/whatever you want to call it manifests itself.

Certainly with age it becomes easier to get injured and slower to heal. Also, being older means a given severity of injury may well have stronger effects on performance than the same severity of injury would have when the player was younger
 
At this point it's pretty clear everyone is hurting. If they can win the next 2 games and get a bye, hopefully a week of rest will work wonders.
 
No, an official drop (statistically) is considered to be a catchable ball. The Patriots lead the league in drops -- Meyers, Edelman, Sanu and Michel being big contributors. Most of the off-target passes draw from Brady's injury, poor OL protection and poor route running due to receiver injury/inexperience/inability to practice effectively.

You contend ever drop was a "well thrown ball", things looked a little different on my TV.. "Catchable" is a very subjective term, even by NFL standards.
 
Injuries perhaps shouldn't be considered an "excuse" for ongoing woes -- especially when not itemized on the official injury report -- but they very well might be key to the Pats offense being so out of sync. We know how BB likes to skirt the issue and just because a player who WAS on the injury report no longer is doesn't mean he's fully recovered.

Going by official reports, performances and observations by "connected" folks like Greg Bedard, subpar play by offensive front-liners and the unit overall likely is injury related.

Quarterback:
Brady -- most folks dismiss him arriving on the injury report with various nicks (toe, shoulder, etc.). But word is he has a serious problem with his throwing arm elbow, affecting accuracy. This is compounded by Patriot receivers leading the league in drops.

Wide receiver:
Edelman -- a walking MASH unit.
Sanu -- high ankle sprain, the worst kind.
Dorsett -- hamstring, might explain his late-season disappearing act.

Offensive line
:
Cannon -- had shoulder injury earlier this season, also unspecified illness; has not looked good overall.
Mason -- reportedly has been battling serious ankle problems all season, also having a bad year.
Karras -- very average player now with bad knee (Andrews is sorely missed at this position).
Wynn -- his return from IR suggests his turf toe is fully healed, but is it?

Tight end:
LaCosse -- was shelved for weeks with knee problem.

Fullback:
Both on IR.

It's worth remembering that injuries also factor into practice preparation where timing and chemistry are honed. In other words, we probably shouldn't expect significant offensive improvement until guys get healthier. At this point a playoff bye seems crucial, which means beating Buffalo and Miami to close out the regular season.

Greg Bedard has been caught lying and is far from "connected". That's pretty funny.

I had an email exchange with him last year and embarrassed the crap out of him to the point he blocked me from pointing out how it was not the personnel last year (seems to be a common them to bash BB the GM), and it was HOW it was being used.

Voila, McD and Brady wake up, BB intervened, and we win the SB.

When Bedard took over for Breer (another beaute) in 2010 or 2011 I think, he took on the Breer angle of basically disrespecting BB, asking annoying questions, while coming off like some know it all.

Bedard knows less about this sport than I do and likely some others here. He just has a job where he gets to write and be paid for it. He kept citing pieces from his dumb Athletic thing and told me to pay to read the rest, and this was after I bludgeoned him with facts up and down. He got all insecure and ran off. Hilarious. I still have the emails.

I remember one time Bedard said Vollmer wasn't a good RT, but in his rookie year in 2009 he played LT since Light was hurt and dominated Dwight Freeney on national tv. Vollmer was probably the best RT in the conference from 2009-2015.

It's just hilarious how wrong he is and how he'll try to make it seem like BB does not do a good job with personnel and depth.

With what happened to NE in 2013 and 2015, injury wise and how decimated they were, if BB didn't have solid depth like has this year. Some guys don't even play week to week!

Most teams wouldn't even make the playoffs with the offense NE had in 2013 and their entire middle of their D on IR, let alone the title game.
 
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I swear you do not watch the games, Pats-panic

His problem is not lack of zip. It's too much zip. He has no touch. No feel.

THANK YOU!

Good grief. You are so refreshing on this board with the honesty. He missed Sanu WIDE OPEN and Michel, both on passes you are I could have made. They were not hard passes. And the one to Sanu looke like Brett Favre pass, which always a bull in the china shop in style.
 
Injury and the cliff is near.

First off, Brady has played in approximatly 2 additional seasons in total post season games. This is his 21st NFL season. The laser zip in his passes are not there.

Secondly, Brady is not throwing the ball to the open guy.

1. False. He has plenty of zip like the one to Harry in the end zone. That was a bullet.
2. Correct.

This latter point is what I've been saying, but the good news is, it looks like BB has intervened with offense again like he did last year when it changed for the better.

IMO, if there is ANY truth at all, that McD is gone and Brady wants to play elsewhere, this will be the reason: A different offensive ideology BB wants and Brady refuses to give up.

Brady is famous for hitting the open guy from 20014-2004 under Weis, where defenses didn't know who to double, if anyone at all. That made it easy in many ways.

Since Brady has the Circle of Trust established in 2007, he's prone to doing this. I've seen guys completely wide open because he got rop-a-doped by the D into thinking they were going to double one of his binkies, so the binky ends up wide open towards the end of the play, but it was too late.

We lost SB 42 and SB 46 over this problem.
 
Greg Bedard has been caught lying and is far from "connected". That's pretty funny.

I had an email exchange with him last year and embarrassed the crap out of him to the point he blocked me from pointing out how it was not the personnel last year (seems to be a common them to bash BB the GM), and it was HOW it was being used.

Voila, McD and Brady wake up, BB intervened, and we win the SB.

When Bedard took over for Breer (another beaute) in 2010 or 2011 I think, he took on the Breer angle of basically disrespecting BB, asking annoying questions, while coming off like know it all.

I remember one time Bedard said Vollmer wasn't a good RT, but in his rookie year in 2009 he played LT since Light was hurt and dominated Dwight Freeney on national tv. Vollmer was probably the best RT in the conference from 2009-2015.

It's just hilarious how wrong he is and how he'll try to make it seem like BB does not do a good job with personnel and depth.

With what happened to NE in 2013 and 2015, injury wise and how decimated they were, if BB didn't have solid depth like has this year. Some guys don't even play week to week!

Most teams wouldn't even make the playoffs with the offense NE had in 2013 and their entire middle of their D on IR, let alone the title game.
Bedard is right more than he is wrong. Wish the same could be said for you. Isn't that "pretty funny" too? ;)
 
I think if you use the "disagree" button, you should have the balls to identify yourself and have a legit debate.
 
Bedard is right more than he is wrong. Wish the same could be said for you. Isn't that "pretty funny" too? ;)

Don't think so. I was right last year around this time. And, I always state my gameplan going into games so it's on record.

I was right about BBs SB 52 D and how I would have done it and 3 weeks ago when he erred with how he had it vs Houston.

So, no, Bedard is not right within his sneaky agenda. No anti-BBites are.
 
You contend ever drop was a "well thrown ball", things looked a little different on my TV.. "Catchable" is a very subjective term, even by NFL standards.

And this guy claims I am wrong more than being right?

He's clearly a Brady Apologist, so he cannot be taken seriously here.
 
No, an official drop (statistically) is considered to be a catchable ball. The Patriots lead the league in drops -- Meyers, Edelman, Sanu and Michel being big contributors. Most of the off-target passes draw from Brady's injury, poor OL protection and poor route running due to receiver injury/inexperience/inability to practice effectively.

We also "lead the league" in passing to0 much and not running enough with a QB whose decision making and accuracy, while ignoring good players to throw to, is very much a reality as proven yesterday.

Ask Brady why he wouldn't look at Harry earlier in the year. Why did Stidham throw a gazillion times to Meyers in preseason, with him looking Meyers looking like Charlie Joiner in his prime?
 
The throw to Harry was a good one.

There were multiple throws to Sanu, Sony and JE that were off the mark and coming in hot.

I've also said his internal clock is operating faster than it should.

There are multiple issues going on. Including the elbow.

Is it tendinitis? A contusion? I wonder how long BB will have that on the report? It's clearly not affecting zip.

I think the clock is a big problem as is his feet. I am not convinced it is age quite yet. They say the feet go first. I feel like he's slugging around with cement shoes again.

IMO, it's playcalling, confidence in using his weapons, etc, and approach. Yesterday was a good start in these areas.
 
You contend ever drop was a "well thrown ball", things looked a little different on my TV.. "Catchable" is a very subjective term, even by NFL standards.
No, I didn't contend that. The official criteria for what constitutes a drop probably is worth looking up but I think the receiver needs to get both hands on it to be considered a drop.
 
I think if you use the "disagree" button, you should have the balls to identify yourself and have a legit debate.
Don't think so. I was right last year around this time. And, I always state my gameplan going into games so it's on record.

I was right about BBs SB 52 D and how I would have done it and 3 weeks ago when he erred with how he had it vs Houston.

So, no, Bedard is not right within his sneaky agenda. No anti-BBites are.
And this guy claims I am wrong more than being right?

He's clearly a Brady Apologist, so he cannot be taken seriously here.
We also "lead the league" in passing to0 much and not running enough with a QB whose decision making and accuracy, while ignoring good players to throw to, is very much a reality as proven yesterday.

Ask Brady why he wouldn't look at Harry earlier in the year. Why did Stidham throw a gazillion times to Meyers in preseason, with him looking Meyers looking like Charlie Joiner in his prime?
Is it tendinitis? A contusion? I wonder how long BB will have that on the report? It's clearly not affecting zip.

I think the clock is a big problem as is his feet. I am not convinced it is age quite yet. They say the feet go first. I feel like he's slugging around with cement shoes again.

IMO, it's playcalling, confidence in using his weapons, etc, and approach. Yesterday was a good start in these areas.
Is it tendinitis? A contusion? I wonder how long BB will have that on the report? It's clearly not affecting zip.

I think the clock is a big problem as is his feet. I am not convinced it is age quite yet. They say the feet go first. I feel like he's slugging around with cement shoes again.

IMO, it's playcalling, confidence in using his weapons, etc, and approach. Yesterday was a good start in these areas.
Man, are you on speed or something? That's eight posts in under 15 minutes -- seems you're more interested in "shouting" than listening; no wonder Bedard blocked you. And a lot of what you're posting here is pure nonsense -- comparing rookies Stidham-to-Meyers in the preseason to what Brady expects in a fully installed offense, or not accounting for Harry's missed time as a factor in his learning a complex precision sight-adjustment passing scheme. I'm far from the "Brady apologist" you accuse me of being but the man clearly is hurting as are components of his supporting cast. You then say I can't be taken seriously yet you blow in here all scattershot including some odd claim about being right last year and "filing a game plan" (?) when you joined this forum just 11 days ago. o_O
 
Man, are you on speed or something? That's eight posts in under 15 minutes -- seems you're more interested in "shouting" than listening; no wonder Bedard blocked you. And a lot of what you're posting here is pure nonsense -- comparing rookies Stidham-to-Meyers in the preseason to what Brady expects in a fully installed offense, or not accounting for Harry's missed time as a factor in his learning a complex precision sight-adjustment passing scheme. I'm far from the "Brady apologist" you accuse me of being but the man clearly is hurting as are components of his supporting cast. You then say I can't be taken seriously yet you blow in here all scattershot including some odd claim about being right last year and "filing a game plan" (?) when you joined this forum just 11 days ago. o_O

WHo cares how fast I can type or post or when I joined? There's no rules against either.

Yes, of course I realize preseason is easier/there's no gameplanning, but one guy had no issue liking throwing to him and another guy is taking his job way too seriously and not working those guys in.

It'd be one thing if Brady was playing well, but he hasn't been. Defenses know when Brady has rookies, or too many non-binkies, they come after Brady.

This is my point. If I Know this, you know this, other teams know this. He has to prove to use the guys so the D respects all of the personnel.

We pretty much know Edelman is going to be doubled. So, that means someone is going to be wide open most of the time, unless the play-calling is too predictable.

Everything I suggested before the game yesterday came try, minus my request for more 2 back sets, but throwing and running with all the backs is a big first step, alongside using Harry's size, strength and athleticism.

Remember when Moss came here? Moss ran like 5 routes. I am not saying harry is Moss at all, but same idea.

Just have him master like 15-20 plays vs zone and man reads and hit him on 1st reads.

This guy is a back shoulder and out up route dream for a QB. You know, a WR fans have been pining for since MOss left?
 
THANK YOU!

Good grief. You are so refreshing on this board with the honesty. He missed Sanu WIDE OPEN and Michel, both on passes you are I could have made. They were not hard passes. And the one to Sanu looke like Brett Favre pass, which always a bull in the china shop in style.
I think hes overcompensating. Whether it be injury, comfort in the pocket who knows.

What I do know is we have not seen him this inaccurate for this long of a duration of the season.
 
Is it tendinitis? A contusion? I wonder how long BB will have that on the report? It's clearly not affecting zip.

I think the clock is a big problem as is his feet. I am not convinced it is age quite yet. They say the feet go first. I feel like he's slugging around with cement shoes again.

IMO, it's playcalling, confidence in using his weapons, etc, and approach. Yesterday was a good start in these areas.
I don't think its legs and feet yet.

I remember seeing Kelly, Fouts, Marino and other great QBs at the end and I don't think Tom is showing those same physical deteriorations.
 
We also "lead the league" in passing to0 much and not running enough with a QB whose decision making and accuracy, while ignoring good players to throw to, is very much a reality as proven yesterday.

Ask Brady why he wouldn't look at Harry earlier in the year. Why did Stidham throw a gazillion times to Meyers in preseason, with him looking Meyers looking like Charlie Joiner in his prime?
Harry wasn’t playing earlier in the year.
 
I don't think its legs and feet yet.

I remember seeing Kelly, Fouts, Marino and other great QBs at the end and I don't think Tom is showing those same physical deteriorations.

Well, I think his mind is slowing his feet a bit. I think they're connected. I think his feet can be better and to be fair, the line has been up and down all year.

I get it, but he needs to keep improving, too.

There were stretches pre Cincy game in 2014, where I'd be yelling at the tv for him to run and he'd still try force a ball to Welker for like 3 yards. Finally, BB or someone pointed this crap out to him.

Since then, he's been more willing to run, which is good. It's part of that well known "Brady Lock" term people use. It's true. He's trying to break out of it right now as we speak.

Note how Edelman's reduction in snaps at 40 to manage his being dinged up, actually HELPED Brady.
 
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