Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[Chris Stevenson]

My prediction is $500K fine and 3rd rounder lost for the violation. No suspensions if the league agrees with the Patriots version of events. If not then all bets are off and the sky is the limit.

Brutal and over the top but realistic knowing how this league operates.

You know what's funny/sad? BB has become a master at walking from certain FAs for compensatory picks that are now tradeable.

So, even if they did take a pick to cheat our team, this would be why.

In a normal world, Kraft oversees Kraft Productions to every educated adult in America. It's not a team employee that broke this rule, and I can almost guarantee BB doesn't even like the All Access thing or his team being filmed on his own sidelines in case something could be seen on All Access or even one of these shows. Hence, why he was being described as "irate".

With the books that have come out on him or these recent docs, I remember him saying that he only opened up to people he respected. Holley is one, Halberstam another. I bet ESPN had to apologize up and down to get him to do the Two Bills thing. I was shocked he worked with ESPN on that.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

So, maybe I missed it, but when are we expected to hear the bullsh** punishment? They gonna publish the results Sunday, after we beat the Bills so the good feeling we have of a division win over a quality opponent is overshadowed?

Screw this. If they have to do anything make Kraft go to a spa where the people giving handies are big burly dudes.

 

[Tottie]

I bet ESPN had to apologize up and down to get him to do the Two Bills thing. I was shocked he worked with ESPN on that.

He always seems to be pretty calm. How did he shake that Taylor's hand after the pony show he had been putting on all week about how outraged he was...driving this story uselessly. It's amazing how he can tune it out ,I would not of shook that guy's hand.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

In re the current snafu, the issue is simple : Advanced scouts cannot film anything. The idiot with the Kraft organization was with the advanced scout, and he pointed the camera at the field.

The question is does the football program get penalized because of what someone not affiliated with the football ops did. Answer is most likely yes.

But, is it "Not" illegal for a some one from any org to film in the stands, with a phone, behind the sidelines? Because that would be much more effective.

I'm just trying to figure out how there is an unfair advantage if some one could just film from the stands, with a phone. Just a hypothetical.

And if the rule, as I've read here in the past, is that you can film from a "four walled, with a roof" location. If that is true , where would that be, and who can?

 

[JMC00]

 

[Chris Stevenson]

He always seems to be pretty calm. How did he shake that Taylor's hand after the pony show he had been putting on all week about how outraged he was...driving this story uselessly. It's amazing how he can tune it out ,I would not of shook that guy's hand.

I don't know, but this is what I mean. We end up going down with nary a whimper in these cases and I want it to stop.

Stand up for yourself for once. When will it end? I asked this after Deflategate and I am right again.

Kraft gets his ass kissed in public by these owners, and they run off behind his back with special meetings that probably just happened at the owners meetings in Dallas.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

A ha! Cheatbaugh caught!

They've cheated before as we know!

1 Cheat with with the NFL to frame NE.
2. Try to lie about Ray Rice with Goodell to not take on am 8.9 mil cap hit, to send them into cap hell in 2014 and beyond. Cover up was almost complete until someone released the interior of the elevator. Why did Goodell work so hard for another AFC team? To cheat to try to block NE from going back to SBs.
3. Using two helmet headsets at once on defense.
4. Cheating in camp by practicing against the rules during OTAs.


^^See, this is the kind of crap above here that Kraft would need to showcase in his press conference if Goodell cheats again.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I was listening to WFAN on the way into work. A caller was wanting the Pats to be banned from the playoffs next year. The host said that was wishful thinking but she was convinced that this Bengals thing was from the top down.

 

[Tottie]

I was listening to WFAN on the way into work. A caller was wanting the Pats to be banned from the playoffs next year. The host said that was wishful thinking but she was convinced that this Bengals thing was from the top down.

These people can't even explain what they think the Pats did. I wish people would call people out on this and just ask them what they think they were doing. Taping Signals? They use headsets you know right? So how did they use them? Oh? BB Is smarter than everyone he has a way but you can't say how he squeezes call changes after the communication headsets are off? Oh really? So he's so smart he cheats in ways guys can't explain but he's so dumb he setup a tripod in a press box. Got it.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

I was listening to WFAN on the way into work. A caller was wanting the Pats to be banned from the playoffs next year. The host said that was wishful thinking but she was convinced that this Bengals thing was from the top down.

No doubt it was a MIke Brown thing just as Woody Johsnon told Rich Cimini "we caught them red handed!"

Cimini had that as an "unnamed source". Laughable. They're framejobs.

 

[Pape]

But, is it "Not" illegal for a some one from any org to film in the stands, with a phone, behind the sidelines? Because that would be much more effective.

I'm just trying to figure out how there is an unfair advantage if some one could just film from the stands, with a phone. Just a hypothetical.

And if the rule, as I've read here in the past, is that you can film from a "four walled, with a roof" location. If that is true , where would that be, and who can?

What part of Advanced scouts can't film anything is hard to understand? The Patriots cannot put a camera in the press box and film the side lines, and they most definitely cannot put someone in their employ in the stands to film upcoming or gameday opponents (not sure why you ever thought that would be okay). It is against the rules.

 

[Clonamery]

I was listening to WFAN on the way into work.

Your first mistake.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

What part of Advanced scouts can't film anything is hard to understand? The Patriots cannot put a camera in the press box and film the side lines, and they most definitely cannot put someone in their employ in the stands to film upcoming or gameday opponents (not sure why you ever thought that would be okay). It is against the rules.

But, is it "Not" illegal for a some one from any org to film in the stands, with a phone, behind the sidelines? Because that would be much more effective.

I'm just trying to figure out how there is an unfair advantage if some one could just film from the stands, with a phone. Just a hypothetical.

And if the rule, as I've read here in the past, is that you can film from a "four walled, with a roof" location. If that is true , where would that be, and who can?

People have got to understand that the Ray Anderson memo from 2006 is the law of the land. But Bill disregarded this because it was not approved by the owners. I bet you if Kraft took the NFL to court at the time it would have been clear to a judge that the NFL was not following proper administration of its own rules. We could have won and shake the cheater label.

videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

 

[Chris Stevenson]

What part of Advanced scouts can't film anything is hard to understand? The Patriots cannot put a camera in the press box and film the side lines, and they most definitely cannot put someone in their employ in the stands to film upcoming or gameday opponents (not sure why you ever thought that would be okay). It is against the rules.

I always got the impression the "roof overhead" line was talking about a camera that wasn't truly portable, so one that is not able to be transported easily to show a coach something during the game. It's the super duper professional ones you see at games as opposed to a small digital/portable camcorder type thing.

Keep in mind, this was always about not having the captured stuff to be used in the game THAT DAY, that's why the locations where coaches are located, is mentioned.

Once Manboobs told Woody Johnson about BB's photographic memory, Ernie Adams and that Brady has great recall as well, Goodell changed the wording of the rule for the scouting they could garner for future games.

It doesn't change, though. You could just write down a hand motion you saw, watch the next play, take notes of when it is in the game and match it up later, which is what I am sure they do now.

During Cowher's 12.3.10 98.5 interview, he goes into detail about it.

BB is so great, Goodell stepped in and lied.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

People have got to understand that the Ray Anderson memo from 2006 is the law of the land. Bill disregarded this because it was not approved by the owners. I bet you if Kraft took the NFL to court at the time it would have been clear to a judgr that the NFL was not following proper administration of its own rules.

That's 100% correct.

And, with Goodell all but telling us he can cheat at any time for any reason with his lawyers' Article 46 testimony, he did what he did there., and did it with Deflategate. That's why he did it to Brady and he thinks its normal to openly cheat because the owners simply wanted it done.

There is no way BB ever thought it would turn into what it did, though. No one did. I remember when I first saw the tape, knowing little, but not a lot about how scouting works (some high school teams do it, for example). I laughed and thought "this is nothing". Boy, was I wrong.

This is how long the BB/Brady relationship and fear of NE's dominance has been bothering the other owners.

Anyone remember the awkward speech Kraft gave next to Al Michaels and Collinsneck durnig SNF in Week 2 of 2007? When he was done, I had no idea what he was even saying.

Looking back, it was similar to what he said when he capitulated on Brady. He chooses his seat at the big boy table and money over his own team.

 

[Pape]

There is no way BB ever thought it would turn into what it did, though. No one did.

Even Eric Manjudas didn't think it would explode like it did. Blame that rat turd mike tannenbaum for bringing in the league office on the issue.

It doesn't change, though. You could just write down a hand motion you saw, watch the next play, take notes of when it is in the game and match it up later, which is what I am sure they do now.

what signs? they went away with the advent of the defensive comms

 

[ivanvamp]

Really dumb reply by Bedard:


4thYearMedStudentBurner@Med4th
· 8m

Replying to @GregABedard
Greg, this is the exact hot-take garbage you fraudulently vowed would not be featured on your website


Greg A. Bedard

✔@GregABedard

a) this is Twitter. B) That's not a hot-take. That is my opinion as a 20-year NFL writer and my sources in the league. That's called reporting.

- - -
The idiot part is in bold. He makes it clear he's offering his *OPINION* and then in the next sentence calls it "reporting". Uh no Greg. Reporting is NOT opinion-giving. Those are two VERY different things, and it's one reason why "scandals" like this explode.

As someone trained in journalism, this is just offensive in nearly every way, though I guess the reality is that most media people today think this is how it should be. Drives me bananas.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Really dumb reply by Bedard:


4thYearMedStudentBurner@Med4th
· 8m

Replying to @GregABedard
Greg, this is the exact hot-take garbage you fraudulently vowed would not be featured on your website


Greg A. Bedard

✔@GregABedard

a) this is Twitter. B) That's not a hot-take. That is my opinion as a 20-year NFL writer and my sources in the league. That's called reporting.

- - -
The idiot part is in bold. He makes it clear he's offering his *OPINION* and then in the next sentence calls it "reporting". Uh no Greg. Reporting is NOT opinion-giving. Those are two VERY different things, and it's one reason why "scandals" like this explode.

As someone trained in journalism, this is just offensive in nearly every way, though I guess the reality is that most media people today think this is how it should be. Drives me bananas.

Exactly. This is why I had to slap the living daylights out of him through the years on email. He's completely irrational and contradicts himself constantly.

He's so used to doing it and not being called on it, he thinks it's normal.

 

[ivanvamp]

You could do this with virtually every team and it would be similar. But of course, only the Pats are vilified for it.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Even Eric Manjudas didn't think it would explode like it did. Blame that rat turd mike tannenbaum for bringing in the league office on the issue.




what signs? they went away with the advent of the defensive comms

Well, I've seen Mayo and Steve Belichick motioning signs during the broadcast, which further proves this is a farce.

The point is pre-headsets on D, you could make some kind of a case NE was trying to get an advantage.

Now? Laughable beyond belief. They show hand signals on the flippin' broadcast!

But, yeah, a scout is going to be observe anything and everything and take notes of the times he sees them.

I bet this segment of the doc will never get produced, and it would have been cool to see, too.