Pats beat Sox again

[Slagathor]

If both teams are unbeaten......

I would put the Pats/Indy regular season game against the Sox World Series game 7 head to head and guarantee the Pats would win that ratings battle.

 

[patsgo]

No, it's not, because every NFL game is more important than an MLB game. (E.g., the Sox had a game the day before and after that one.) The only "fair" comparison might be a Game 7 in LCS/World Series vs. NFL playoff game - that is, two equally decisive games going head-to-head. But that can't happen, due to the season schedules...

[Edit] Want to remind everyone that I am not a big Sox fan...the Sox are what one watches between Patriots games, imo

the football game would blow the doors off that one not even worth discussing

 

[FlyingElvis75]

BTW, Forbes says Sox worth $752 million, Pats worth $1.1 billion.

Good point, but football in general is worth more than baseball. For example, the NY Jets are worth more than the Sox ($967m), but does anyone question whether Red Sox Nation is bigger than the Jets' national fanbase?

One good indicator might be gross revenue outside of ticket/stadium vendor sales (to eliminate # of games as a factor). After all, fans who claim to like the Pats more than the Sox should be expected to put their money where their mouth is (as I do...I don't own a single piece of Sox paraphenalia).

 

[FlyingElvis75]

we are talking tv ratings, what people are watching, if you dont get it thats not my fault the price of baseball tickets adds to the volume , your comparing apples and oranges, we are talking about how many people are watching, the pats win , this is the sox playoff, the pats are in the regular seson and their game is not in prime time, they still win, i hope this clears this up because by your posts your are obviuosly confused

If you're counting the number of people watching, a 50 share + 50 share > one 60 share, assuming roughly equivalent total viewers. If total viewers or number of games is a factor...well, you get it. I hope.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

If both teams are unbeaten......

I would put the Pats/Indy regular season game against the Sox World Series game 7 head to head and guarantee the Pats would win that ratings battle.

I would think (hope?) so too, but we're dealing in hypotheticals here...

Another thing that I remember pissing me off at the time: The Pats' victory parade in 2001 had an estimated 1.2million people attending (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/02/05/patriots_parade_ap/). The Sox' 2004 parade had over 3 million estimated (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2004-10-30-city-parade_x.htm).

Yeah, it was 86 years, but the Pats had NEVER won before. Where's the freakin' love?

 

[patsgo]

I would think (hope?) so too, but we're dealing in hypotheticals here...

Another thing that I remember pissing me off at the time: The Pats' victory parade in 2001 had an estimated 1.2million people attending (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/02/05/patriots_parade_ap/). The Sox' 2004 parade had over 3 million estimated (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2004-10-30-city-parade_x.htm).

Yeah, it was 86 years, but the Pats had NEVER won before. Where's the freakin' love?

if you believe that you believe in santa claus, so let me get this straight there are 3 million people who live in the state of massachusetts so what your telling me is that everyone was at the parade? dont beleve everything you read

 

[PonyExpress]

If you're counting the number of people watching, a 50 share + 50 share > one 60 share, assuming roughly equivalent total viewers. If total viewers or number of games is a factor...well, you get it. I hope.

This is silly. I'm pretty objective on this subject, a fan of both teams. The results of this weekend are surprising and undeniable. More people in the metropolitan Boston area watched the Pats/Dallas week 6 regular season game than a Red Sox Cleveland Pennant game. This is fact. The reasons for this are open to debate. some possible factors...

1) The Randy Moss factor: Randy Moss brings Manny like sizzle to the Pats, increasing viewer interest.

2) The absence of the Yankees: The current Bosox management has understandably stoked the rivalry's flames, but the negative side of this is disappointment when the hyped matchup doesn't materialize. The Indians aren't very compelling.

3) Football is increasing in popularity, Baseball is at best steady. Football has more young fans, and is gathering momentum even in so-called "baseball towns".

The previous generation, and the fairer sex, are for the most part more attached to baseball. The younger generation is more attached to football.

In another few years, we will say that the best baseball town in America is a Football Town.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

if you believe that you believe in santa claus, so let me get this straight there are 3 million people who live in the state of massachusetts so what your telling me is that everyone was at the parade? dont beleve everything you read

Are you out of your gourd? Seriously, are all your "facts" just made up like this?

There are nearly 1 million PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS PK-12 in this state. Do you really think that 1 out of every 3 citizens is a PK-12 student?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html

[Edit] For those who don't want to click the link...the 2000 population of MA *alone* was 6.35 million. Doesn't include RI, NH, ME, etc.

 

[desi-patsfan]

if you believe that you believe in santa claus, so let me get this straight there are 3 million people who live in the state of massachusetts so what your telling me is that everyone was at the parade? dont beleve everything you read

lol is this question for real? You think ONLY the state of MA showed up. Never mind Maine, NH, Vermont, Conn, and RI?

 

[shmessy]

If you're counting the number of people watching, a 50 share + 50 share > one 60 share, assuming roughly equivalent total viewers. If total viewers or number of games is a factor...well, you get it. I hope.

Well, by that logic, Entertainment Tonight is more popular than the Super Bowl.

 

[shmessy]

Another thing that I remember pissing me off at the time: The Pats' victory parade in 2001 had an estimated 1.2million people attending (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/playoffs/news/2002/02/05/patriots_parade_ap/). The Sox' 2004 parade had over 3 million estimated (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/redsox/2004-10-30-city-parade_x.htm).

Hmmmmm..........wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Red Sox Parade was on a Saturday, and the Patriots Parade was on a regular business/school day Tuesday, would it?????????

Please. If you want to give out data without background, people will think you are insulting their intelligence.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

That's EXACTLY the problem I have with both ratings and ticket sales. They fail to consider the context. N.B. your issues with attendees is exactly the same as mine with ratings. And the attendees figures also doesn't include the difference in weather.

Neutralize context-dependent factors (covariants, confounding variables) to find a true measure.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Well, by that logic, Entertainment Tonight is more popular than the Super Bowl.

And CSI is more popular than any sporting event. Which is why that logic is inherently flawed, in my opinion.

 

[shmessy]

And CSI is more popular than any sporting event. Which is why that logic is inherently flawed, in my opinion.

Yes, but if they were put head to head, the ratings WOULD be an excellent indicator.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Not really, since CSI is both scripted and non-live, and non-sporting events don't stack up well against live sporting events.

Let me reiterate/clarify here. I would love it if the tide turned definitively toward the Patriots. I think it *could be* turning. But to quote ratings share from two games as evidence that the tide HAS turned is simply not justifiable, any more than looking at "victory parade" attendance or total ticket sales is.

 

[PonyExpress]

That's EXACTLY the problem I have with both ratings and ticket sales. They fail to consider the context. N.B. your issues with attendees is exactly the same as mine with ratings. And the attendees figures also doesn't include the difference in weather.

Neutralize context-dependent factors (covariants, confounding variables) to find a true measure.

Why are so married to the notion the Pats can't beat the Sox in popularity, in the face of the evidence? It's not outlandish at all. Around the country the NFL blows MLB away. The last few years of Red Sox perceived dominance were a cultural anomaly. MLB is swimming against the tide unless it shakes off its stupor and changes the game to make it more current. Time limits for pitchers between pitches (see Bettancourt of the Indians- he put the whole country to sleep, including Manny, who was at the plate). Batters not being allowed out of the batters box between pitches. Major Network broadcasts instead of TBS late night viewing. Selig is an atrocious Commish, and the sooner they put a broadminded innovator into the chair and dump old man Bud, the sooner MLB can try to actually compete with the NFL, instead of making up excuses for why TV ratings don't really matter. Because they do.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Why are so married to the notion the Pats can't beat the Sox in popularity, in the face of the evidence? It's not outlandish at all. Around the country the NFL blows MLB away. The last few years of Red Sox perceived dominance were a cultural anomaly. MLB is swimming against the tide unless it shakes off its stupor and changes the game to make it more current. Time limits for pitchers between pitches (see Bettancourt of the Indians- he put the whole country to sleep, including Manny, who was at the plate). Batters not being allowed out of the batters box between pitches. Major Network broadcasts instead of TBS late night viewing. Selig is an atrocious Commish, and the sooner they put a broadminded innovator into the chair and dump old man Bud, the sooner MLB can try to actually compete with the NFL, instead of making up excuses for why TV ratings don't really matter. Because they do.

Dude, there's no question the NFL beats the crap out of MLB nationwide. That's not what we're talking about, is it? It's about who's "more popular" in Boston.

SB XXXVIII blew out Game 7 of the ALCS something like 140m to 31m nationwide. But in the Boston market, the ALCS game had a higher share than either of the Pats' previous two SB victories. That's pretty whacked-out, if you ask me. In any other city, it should be no contest at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/22/sports/baseball/22ratings.html

[Edit] And please, let's not act as if the only "fact" that matters is the one that supports your position; I've provided plenty of contrary facts, if you read above.

 

[dalero]

do the sox have 60,0000 fans waiting for season tickets?the facts are the facts

How do you compare? The price difference is staggering in package price alone. A great number of season ticket holders live 100+ miles from the stadium. Who's going to do that 80+ times a year? $40.00 parking for a Pats season ticket holder is about $320.00 for the year. $40.00 parking for a Sox season ticket holer would be over $3,300. I can see why their's not 60,000 people waiting.

 

[patsgo]

That's EXACTLY the problem I have with both ratings and ticket sales. They fail to consider the context. N.B. your issues with attendees is exactly the same as mine with ratings. And the attendees figures also doesn't include the difference in weather.

Neutralize context-dependent factors (covariants, confounding variables) to find a true measure.

more people watch the pats than the red sox, those are the facts you can put your spins on it all day long, the rangers out draw the cowboys to, so does that make the rangers more popular?i dont think so, football is the number one sport in america and it is in boston to, im done

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Dude, there's no question the NFL beats the crap out of MLB nationwide. That's not what we're talking about, is it? It's about who's "more popular" in Boston..

No, it's not all about Boston.

Who cares what 650,000 urban Menino voters think?