Antonio Brown

[PP2]

Tom Brady is the cash cow.

FIFY.

 

[ViperGTS]

Good for AB. Hope he gets every dime he is owed. Team totally screwed him over and the fans here that agree with the team....man it is something I never thought I would see a home fan base do.

Again nobody here who pushed for his release has offered any opinion on why there have been zero accusations since he got released. Reason for that? Because it would force them to think harder about what they did and felt.

Won’t happen of course.

 

[gobesmug]

Interesting points, but the evidence belies your contention. If what you say is true, why haven't guys like AB, Jones, Green, CJohnson, Ocho, OBJ, etc, etc, etc played in more playoff games and superbowls. It isn't/wasn't because they are bad players. No, in fact as individuals several ARE transcendent at their position.

Maybe I can give you some clarity with my position if I ask a question. Given the choice of having AB on the team or Aaron Donald on the team (arguably the best player at their respective positions), which would you pick. The guy who might get 10 targets on offense, or the guy who can effect EVERY defensive play he plays? BTW - it's a rhetorical question.

Aaron Donald and the Rams defense didn't take them to the Superbowl. It was the high powered offense.

JJ Watt, arguably better than Donald in his prime, has never played in the Superbowl and has missed the playoffs more than he made.

No player, unless a transcended QB, impacts the game enough on their own to win games.

Joe Thomas, possibly the best LT ever, never once sniffed the playoffs.

 

[shmessy]

Aaron Donald and the Rams defense didn't take them to the Superbowl. It was the high powered offense.

JJ Watt, arguably better than Donald in his prime, has never played in the Superbowl and has missed the playoffs more than he made.

No player, unless a transcended QB, impacts the game enough on their own to win games.

Joe Thomas, possibly the best LT ever, never once sniffed the playoffs.

That is why it is a T-E-A-M sport.

ESPN has ruined people's brains.

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[gobesmug]

Interesting points, but the evidence belies your contention. If what you say is true, why haven't guys like AB, Jones, Green, CJohnson, Ocho, OBJ, etc, etc, etc played in more playoff games and superbowls. It isn't/wasn't because they are bad players. No, in fact as individuals several ARE transcendent at their position.

Maybe I can give you some clarity with my position if I ask a question. Given the choice of having AB on the team or Aaron Donald on the team (arguably the best player at their respective positions), which would you pick. The guy who might get 10 targets on offense, or the guy who can effect EVERY defensive play he plays? BTW - it's a rhetorical question.

Why hasn't HOF talent like JJ Watt, Joe Thomas, Darrell Revis, played in more Superbowls and playoff games?

 

[luuked]

1. Again, it could be because of my natural aversion to WR's, but adding even a great WR, is NEVER going to be the reason for a "transcendent" season of offense. And while I grant it would have been fun to see him out there, a combination of the baggage he brought with him and the baggage that arrived when he first came, and finally the self inflicted baggage of his ill advise email; made it an easy decision for Kraft to move on from him.

I disagree completely with this. We both agree that elite WRs are overrated but for completely different reasons. For me it is purely a business POV where I don't think it is wise to pay market rate for the top receivers even more so when you have Brady, Belichick and McDaniels who have regularly made average receivers look a couple tiers better than they actually are.

That being said AB was not on a market level deal. He signed something that would have -- most probably given the incentives -- paid him as much as the Pats were reportedly willing to pay Humphries just a few months ago.

Brown would have opened so many doors to create mismatches without even touching the ball. And don't get me started how game changing he could be when given the ball.

The baggage he brought with him is absolutely and completely irrelevant here. Everyone starts with a clean slate and a certain length of leash.

AB was from the start just one bad decision away from being gone and unfortunately it didn't take long for him to make that mistake. I have been on the record saying that for me he only has himself to blame given the circumstances.

But that charm hides a kind of crazy that is not only self destructive for him, but for those around him, and THAT's why Kraft made the only rational decision that could be made at the time.

That is just you baselessly speculating and trying to create a narrative to make Kraft's decision better. You don't know that. Especially not in a locker room with so much support and clear structure (i.e. culture) as here.

also he might have heard something about the NFL putting AB on the exempt list after the Jets game.

Again you are grasping at straws to find some kind of additional reason to make Kraft's decision look better. The reality is that he most probably would not have landed on the exempt list based on the civil suit stuff in the recent future otherwise it would have happened on the Wednesday after the NFL met with the accuser. If the accuser can't make a good enough argument to convince the league then who will ?

If you are suggesting it would have been because of the text messages then again I have to remind you that the league can't suspend anyone without a) an actual lawsuit or b) starting an investigation into the specific matter (e.g. interviewing the artist he texted). So there is no way he would have been suspended after the Jets game because that interview needed to happen before the following Wednesday.

The whole story that Brady and Bellichick were "against" releasing AB comes from Tom Curran. Curran's DOES have his sources within the Pats organization, at least as good as one gets for that organization. I do believe that the depth of that disagreement has been vastly overblown, simply because it's a much better story if it is. Remember Curran's source, at best, heard things 2nd or 3rd hand. Office gossip isn't usually about the subtleties

Curran is close enough to Brady that when it comes to stuff like that I trust him. As with most beat guys (for every team) you have to learn who they have access to and when to trust them more than in other occasions.

 

[gobesmug]

That is why it is a T-E-A-M sport.

ESPN has ruined people's brains.

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Exactly. Part of the Patriots success has been because of Brady playing on a below market contract. Can't stand the debate that Wr isn't important because certain HOF WRs never won Superbowls, when you can make that case for every position. Even Aaron Rodgers as a HOF QB has little post season success and how Dan Marino has no Superbowl wins.

 

[luuked]

Will need to really do some maneuvering to add players in the future. Cap hell.

The reason they likely have to pay him is because he played in Miami. Four days after the sexual assault allegations came out.

Nothing in this post makes sense or has any basis in reality.

 

[luuked]

Oh wonderful, not only do we cut him, we have to pay a huge chunk of his salary...

That is pure speculation and will be a matter of how the grievance goes. The contract language is so broad that I wouldn't expect Brown's chances to be particularly good to ever see any of that money.

That being said there won't be any cap relief until the earliest 2020. Which -- if you fully expect to get that credit -- in essence is irrelevant because you can just shuffle money around with an extension.

 

[Patstastic]

Nothing in this post makes sense or has any basis in reality.

Sure it does. The team has (Or is) paying the piper so to speak. Most elite franchises who've won championships come to this point. It's going to be difficult to add marquee free agents over the next few years.

 

[TommyD4207]

That is why it is a T-E-A-M sport.

ESPN has ruined people's brains.

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And Fantasy Football.

 

[shmessy]

And Fantasy Football.

To paraphrase: "The pink hats dig the long ball".

Selfish, talented divas are most often negatives for a formerly cohesive team.



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[TommyD4207]

Curran is close enough to Brady that when it comes to stuff like that I trust him. As with most beat guys (for every team) you have to learn who they have access to and when to trust them more than in other occasions.

Alex Guerrero for sure. Not convinced he's close to Brady.

 

[TommyD4207]

Sure it does. The team has (Or is) paying the piper so to speak. Most elite franchises who've won championships come to this point. It's going to be difficult to add marquee free agents over the next few years.

Have you seriously just started following the Patriots this season?

 

[luuked]

Sure it does. The team has (Or is) paying the piper so to speak. Most elite franchises who've won championships come to this point. It's going to be difficult to add marquee free agents over the next few years.

Except adding "marquee free agents" was never anything that the Pats do except in cases where they come on a discount.

Similarly there is no cap hell because no team is managing their financials much better while still optimising the roster each year before the trade deadline.

And finally it is completely irrelevant if he played or not in Miami in terms of his guarantees being void. Similarly, the allegations came out more than 4 days before the game.

In other words.. all that you wrote is not correct.

 

[PP2]

Karma comes back to kick Orchid Bob in the ass.

 

[luuked]

Patriots could be underdogs @Philly & @Houston.

????

 

[Nikolai]

I'm still not pointing to conspiracy, but it's interesting that as soon as AB was off the Pats, the heat died down in a hurry.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Wait, could this be the painting the anonymous woman created?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I'm still not pointing to conspiracy, but it's interesting that as soon as AB was off the Pats, the heat died down in a hurry.

He's off everybody right now. With him not playing, there's nothing to keep him in the news.