Tannenbaum Posits Hoyer as a Solution for Eagles.

[TheFlyingWedge]

As great as Stidham looked in this opener, this was just a preseason game running a vanilla offense. It’s going to take some time for him to capably learn the entire playbook.

While it might save a precious roster spot and some cap space cutting or trading Hoyer, which would be useful, I don’t see it happening because of Hoyer’s experience. Plus, Hoyer had a great opener as well.

 

[Zuma]

Is it possible that having Hoyer on the Pats roster helps Stidham develop? Can Stidham learn more about the position and NFL with Hoyer on the 53? Maybe.

Is it also possible that Stidham's development could be slowed due to having Hoyer on the 53? I am not implying anything intentional by Hoyer....it's just that would Stidham grow more if he was QB2 with more direct access to Tom, working more closely with the weekly gameplan and perhaps more on the inside... instead of on the outside looking in? That's another maybe.

Over the course of the season I suspect the 2nd maybe will be more "probably" then maybe.

 

[mister clyde]

Stidham is not ready to take over if Brady gets hurt

You're probably right, but I doubt any of us armchair GMs thought Brady was ready to take over if Bledsoe got hurt either. If the unthinkable happened I'd just as soon see what we have in Stidham. Worst case is we get a better draft pick because Hoyer is most likely not hoisting up #7.

 

[reflexblue]

Tannanbaum ran both the jete and the fins into the ground as their GM, so take his opinion with a pound of salt.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You're probably right, but I doubt any of us armchair GMs thought Brady was ready to take over if Bledsoe got hurt either. If the unthinkable happened I'd just as soon see what we have in Stidham. Worst case is we get a better draft pick because Hoyer is most likely not hoisting up #7.

If Brady is done for the year or for more than 6 games, we are toast. That is different than Brady missing 2-4 games when we need just a capable starter for a few games.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Is it possible that having Hoyer on the Pats roster helps Stidham develop? Can Stidham learn more about the position and NFL with Hoyer on the 53? Maybe.

Is it also possible that Stidham's development could be slowed due to having Hoyer on the 53? I am not implying anything intentional by Hoyer....it's just that would Stidham grow more if he was QB2 with more direct access to Tom, working more closely with the weekly gameplan and perhaps more on the inside... instead of on the outside looking in? That's another maybe.

Over the course of the season I suspect the 2nd maybe will be more "probably" then maybe.

Yea not sure. BB kept Hoyer when they drafted Mallett in 2011 but also got rid of Mallett when they drafted Jimmy in 2014 and made him the lone backup.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yea not sure. BB kept Hoyer when they drafted Mallett in 2011 but also got rid of Mallett when they drafted Jimmy in 2014 and made him the lone backup.

The Hammer still believes he's better than Hoyer.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

The Hammer still believes he's better than Hoyer.

Man I was high on Mallet just because of his arm and BB gushed about his football knowledge.

 

[luuked]

SF cut Hoyer and we signed him to a fresh three year deal, so I'm not sure what you mean.

Hoyer was essentially part of the JG deal. By cutting him instead of putting him directly into the trade we were able to sign him at vet min and only paid 1.3m in his first 1.5 years to him. Hoyer was fine with that because he got about 10M in guarantees from the 49ers when he signed that 2 year 12m deal.

In other words we got him for peanuts because the 49ers played ball to get JG.

Seems like you have your opinion on Stidham and I really dont wanna rehash things again and again so this is where I just jump out of the conversation.

Min/Maxing the 53rd roster spot and cutting a severely underpaid experienced backup QB is just not worth the time.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Tannanbaum ran both the jete and the fins into the ground as their GM, so take his opinion with a grain of salt.

With any luck, the Bills will hire him and he can complete his Scorched Earth Campaign of the AFC East (minus the Pats).

 

[Family]

Seems like you have your opinion on Stidham and I really dont wanna rehash things again and again so this is where I just jump out of the conversation.

Just to be clear I never offered an opinion on Stidham.

What I said is that BB would be not eliminate the possibility of trading Hoyer for the right price simply because Stidham was a rookie.

You believe there is no chance.

 

[raduray]

We should offer them Etling.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Hoyer was essentially part of the JG deal. By cutting him instead of putting him directly into the trade we were able to sign him at vet min and only paid 1.3m in his first 1.5 years to him. Hoyer was fine with that because he got about 10M in guarantees from the 49ers when he signed that 2 year 12m deal.

In other words we got him for peanuts because the 49ers played ball to get JG.

Seems like you have your opinion on Stidham and I really dont wanna rehash things again and again so this is where I just jump out of the conversation.

Min/Maxing the 53rd roster spot and cutting a severely underpaid experienced backup QB is just not worth the time.

Plus he would have cost them a comp pick if he had been included in the deal.

That said, he has $1.5M guaranteed this year.

 

[DarrylS]

It's a Gase Gase Gase

"Jumpin Jack Flash"????

The mind is a terrible thing to waste at 4:56 AM on a Sunday morning...

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The Pats need to keep either Stidham or Etling (PS obviously) as the scout team QB. With more and more of the league using a running QB and the RPO, the need to have a QB that can simulate that in practice is great. I don't think Hoyer can do that.

 

[Clonamery]

The Pats need to keep either Stidham or Etling (PS obviously) as the scout team QB. With more and more of the league using a running QB and the RPO, the need to have a QB that can simulate that in practice is great. I don't think Hoyer can do that.

Hoyer did last year to rave reviews from his teammates.

 

[patman52]

Interesting. I was absolutely convinced that the Pats would NOT draft Stidham for various reasons that I've gone into in other threads (primarily how he responded to adversity last year at Auburn), but clearly I was wrong and he looked great in his first pre-season game.

I'm not trying to have you defend yourself, but I am genuinely interested in what you saw in Stidham that made him your binky, could you elaborate? Obviously the Patriots have a view of him that was closer to your view, otherwise they wouldn't have drafted him.

I thought he was excellent when he had a team around him like he did when he was a junior. Now I never seen him as a first rd pick, but after they demolished Purdue at Christmas I thought he was going to go in the 2nd.

Maybe because I liked him so much the year before I had rose colored glasses on this year.

The kid I like this year is Joe Burrow from LSU

 

[Family]

We should offer them Etling.

Round about way of doing it, but good prediction.

 

[Bill Lee]

LOL to the people that say Stidham is ready to be an emergency starting NFL QB after (1) preseason game...

This discussion *may* be worth having next year.

Yet BB rolled with TB12 plus rookie JG after just one off season of observation.

As written above, the math is pretty different this year.

QB is the most valuable position in sports, TB12 is on a year-t0-year basis, if you have a prospect you keep him.

IMO Stidham stays on the team, even if it means bumping Hoyer or the 53rd man.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Yet BB rolled with TB12 plus rookie JG after just one off season of observation.

As written above, the math is pretty different this year.

QB is the most valuable position in sports, TB12 is on a year-t0-year basis, if you have a prospect you keep him.

IMO Stidham stays on the team, even if it means bumping Hoyer or the 53rd man.

ok

Was there a serviceable veteran in camp during 2014?

My point is we should never anoint any rookie at any position after *one* preseason game.

Yes we will keep Stidham and we will (most likely) keep Hoyer too for the 2019 season..
Hoyer is the backup QB and Stidham is the developmental QB.

Yes we did keep Jimmy back in the day. He defeated the venerable Ryan Mallet for the backup job. They both played in the preseason opener in 2014 which was a loss. At this time the jury is still out considering his future.