JOSH GORDON REINSTATED

[BTTA]

All of the research in the last decade has shown that there are many, many more factors in weight loss than a linear caloric calculation. Genes getting turned on and off by certain substances is fascinating, for example. And the work being done at Harvard on hunger cycles is equally interesting: if you allow your body to get hungry each day (16-18 hours without intake of anything that trips the glycemic response), you can literally eat more calories per day than if you don't. The body is complex and still not understood in many ways and the traditional nutritionist profession has been making a mess of things with their certainty, which changes every 5 years.

 

[Ring 6]

This presupposes that the person cares about their weight gain on the road to hitting 300.

It's entirely possible to get fat without wishing you weren't every step of the way. Some people just truly don't care.

I would contend that it’s a will power issue. No one wants to be fat. No one likes being fat. It’s not that they don’t care it’s that the discipline required isn’t there so they make the excuse that they don’t care.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There are some decent alternatives. Paprika zucchini chips from the air fryer help me not miss Cape Cod chips. Well, I'll always miss them but I can deal.

I made sweet potato chips once. Loved em.

 

[fnordcircle]

I would contend that it’s a will power issue. No one wants to be fat. No one likes being fat. It’s not that they don’t care it’s that the discipline required isn’t there so they make the excuse that they don’t care.

So people who say they enjoy good food and don't care about their waistline are lying to themselves because you need to be right in an argument.

 

[supafly]

Yea I eat the reduced fat and salt Kettle ones.

Tastes great, but a bit too hard and crunchy for my liking. I’ve been eating the Ritz Crisps, lately. Oven baked and 50% less fat. When I want to go balls out, I’ll have the Lay’s Salt and Vinegar.

Where I really mess up is the microwave popcorn. I end up eating it about once a week. I’ve really got to put it on “the list” here, sometime soon.

 

[supafly]

All of the research in the last decade has shown that there are many, many more factors in weight loss than a linear caloric calculation. Genes getting turned on and off by certain substances is fascinating, for example. And the work being done at Harvard on hunger cycles is equally interesting: if you allow your body to get hungry each day (16-18 hours without intake of anything that trips the glycemic response), you can literally eat more calories per day than if you don't. The body is complex and still not understood in many ways and the traditional nutritionist profession has been making a mess of things with their certainty, which changes every 5 years.

Is this basically what intermittent fasting is?

 

[Ring 6]

So people who say they enjoy good food and don't care about their waistline are lying to themselves because you need to be right in an argument.

This isn’t an argument so get over yourself.
But yes most likely they are.

 

[fnordcircle]

This isn’t an argument so get over yourself.
But yes most likely they are.

I can't imagine the weight of responsibility you must feel being able to read people's minds.

 

[Ring 6]

I can't imagine the weight of responsibility you must feel being able to read people's minds.

Probably equal to the weight you feel trying to make meaningless random conversations on a football board personal.

Go ahead and think people want to be fat and no one rationalizes. I’m sure no one who lacks will power ever makes excuses to rationalize it

 

[PatriotsReign]

I would contend that it’s a will power issue. No one wants to be fat. No one likes being fat. It’s not that they don’t care it’s that the discipline required isn’t there so they make the excuse that they don’t care.

If one is addicted to food or any other substance, willpower becomes useless

Very few addicts “beat” their addiction with will power. I know this baffles & frustrates certain types of people, but it’s the truth

We actually beat addictions by surrendering to them and admitting we’re powerless over them. Only someone that’s been through it understands

 

[BTTA]

Is this basically what intermittent fasting is?

Yes, but I think that IF is poorly named. It isn't about fasting, and there's nothing "intermittent" about it. It is just about creating a different relationship with food, and a different eating cycle.

Personally, when I choose to eat in a 6 hour window, I feel more free from food impulsivity than any other time. And the amount of time I save in a day is amazing (plus, money). Just having coffee or tea in the morning, and then just ignoring food until early afternoon, is tremendously empowering.

Part of my motivation is I'm perpetually pissed off about how modern marketing has turned the US population into a bunch of slaves who otherwise think they are exercising free will, so I'm a bit more grumpy about all that than most. My version of "Get off my lawn" is "Get out of my head!".

This is one of my favorite little books: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34499316-advertising-****s-in-your-head

More than you bargained for?

 

[BTTA]

If one is addicted to food or any other substance, willpower becomes useless

Very few addicts “beat” their addiction with will power. I know this baffles & frustrates certain types of people, but it’s the truth

We actually beat addictions by surrendering to them and admitting we’re powerless over them

Yes, and, people who have spoken about victory re: food addiction point out that it is the one addiction that requires participation in the substance to which they are addicted. That adds a layer of complexity. Its like, "I've got to get over this addiction to oxygen!"

Victory seems to be about discovering the hormonal and emotional needs that are being created by, and met by, impulsive food attachments. Once that's discovered, and sufficient early warning radar put in place, it allow for the underlying issues to be addressed (depression, habits of despair, body image shame, etc.). And, of course (as you know), everyone's path is unique.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Tastes great, but a bit too hard and crunchy for my liking. I’ve been eating the Ritz Crisps, lately. Oven baked and 50% less fat. When I want to go balls out, I’ll have the Lay’s Salt and Vinegar.

Where I really mess up is the microwave popcorn. I end up eating it about once a week. I’ve really got to put it on “the list” here, sometime soon.

Yea I like my chips crunchy. Best kept secret is Fox Potato Chips out of Maine. They are in the addictive substance catagory.

Nature's Place organic popcorn is very good.

 

[mosey threetupu]

Great to hear for you and respect for putting it together but with all due respect this is just your personal anecdote.

If willpower was enough to get out from under addiction we'd have barely any addicts left. Everyone of them at some points hits "rock bottom" in some shape or form and says "this is it". And yet here we are.

Don't make the mistake just because something might have worked for you -- and who knows you might slip up next week already after watching this Pats offense in preseason -- it must also be true for others. There is no such thing like an awakening but much rather it is a lifelong struggle where years of discipline and sobriety can be undone with one bad decision in a weak moment.

Thanks but this doesn’t have anything to do with the point I was trying to make which is that people are wrong to assume that he can’t change.

 

[venecol]

You lost weight because you reduced calories.
I also had gained some weight, and I downloaded a calorie counter, plugged in 1.5 lbs per week of loss, didn’t exceed the calorie number on any day, and lost 30 lbs in 2 months.

But what actually works is doing what works for you. Your method had you believing it was the answer and you stuck to it, and the result was you reduced the calorie intake.
The “not starving yourself” part was because your method eliminated empty calories like soda so your calories felt more filling.

I didn't realize you were a dietitian and health care guru. Nice to know fatty.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yea I like my chips crunchy. Best kept secret is Fox Potato Chips out of Maine. They are in the addictive substance catagory.

Nature's Place organic popcorn is very good.

Cape Cod is my favorite

 

[RobertWeathers]

Cape Cod is my favorite

Cape Cod is great.

I grew up on State Line.

 

[Clonamery]

Cape Cod is great.

It is except for the (infrequent) shark attacks and (frequent) Rt 6 traffic.

 

[captain stone]

What do people think of the vinegar-flavoured chips (or as they call them there, crisps) from Ireland & the UK, such as Taytos? I like them, I think, but the reason might have more to do with childhood memories than it does with actual taste.

 

[Clonamery]

What do people think of the vinegar-flavoured chips (or as they call them there, crisps) from Ireland & the UK, such as Taytos? I like them, I think, but the reason might have more to do with childhood memories than it does with actual taste.

I like O'Donnells Crisps. I've had all the flavors and refuse to choose a favorite.