Patriots linebacker Elandon Roberts says he was harassed at home by police

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

LOL. Your logic - the cop is racist, but didn’t give the black man a ticket even though he had no proof of insurance and didn’t pull over immediately upon being signaled.

My logic - why wouldn’t a racist cop give a black man citations if the intent is racist in nature?

Tell me which one holds water here? Maybe on another planet would a racist cop not give a black man a citation if he pulled him over for “driving while black.” Even if he had to fudge, stretch, or outright lie about that reason. That planet isn’t this one. If you think it is, then you’ve just demonstrated that you don’t know a whole lot about real racism.

Not saying you're wrong.... but to play DA, perhaps the original intent was racist in nature but once he found out the suspect was an NFL player, he chose differently?

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

It’s different by state.
In NY you would be asked 100% of the time in the last and get a ticket if you couldn’t produce proof of insurance. (Which would be dismissed if you brought proof to court).
One of the few smart things the government of NY State has done is that the DMV now monitors insurance coverage and insurance companies are required to report lapses and cancellations. If you have plates and no insurance you are fined something like $9 a day.
Since that went into effect the police must be able to see violations by plate number so you never get asked any more.

But to say “I had insurance when I registered so I obviously still have it” is wrong.

Looking back at my post, I didn't word it well. What I meant to say is based on how the registration is done in Texas, there would be nothing stopping a person from cancelling insurance if the registration window sticker was all the proof needed for insurance. The registration is good for a year. What proof of insurance is there a week after the sticker is put on the vehicle?

I assumed years back that Texas also had a way to show insurance coverage by looking up the DL#, as soon as an officer handed back my insurance card saying he didn't need it. Then later on when stopped I was asked for my license and proof of insurance. Then just the license again. Then both again. So I honestly don't know.

 

[PatsDeb]

Looking back at my post, I didn't word it well. What I meant to say is based on how the registration is done in Texas, there would be nothing stopping a person from cancelling insurance if the registration window sticker was all the proof needed for insurance. The registration is good for a year. What proof of insurance is there a week after the sticker is put on the vehicle?

I assumed years back that Texas also had a way to show insurance coverage by looking up the DL#, as soon as an officer handed back my insurance card saying he didn't need it. Then later on when stopped I was asked for my license and proof of insurance. Then just the license again. Then both again. So I honestly don't know.

They never ask for proof of insurance in NH (because you don't need it - Live Free or Die!) or MA that I am aware of, even though you do need insurance in MA.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not saying you're wrong.... but to play DA, perhaps the original intent was racist in nature but once he found out the suspect was an NFL player, he chose differently?

That defies the logic behind a racist cop pulling over someone because he was a “black man driving a nice car.” A racist cop is giving whatever nitpicky ticket he can and would probably be more likely to do so upon hearing the guy plays in the NFL and makes more in a couple of months than that cop does in a year. Implying racism here defies everything we know about this right now.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

That defies the logic behind a racist cop pulling over someone because he was a “black man driving a nice car.” A racist cop is giving whatever nitpicky ticket he can and would probably be more likely to do so upon hearing the guy plays in the NFL and makes more in a couple of months than that cop does in a year. Implying racism here defies everything we know about this right now.

What I'm saying is, not every racist cop is dumb or steadfast in their own logic. Not every instance or "suspect" is the same. Citing an nfl player through racist intentions has different repercussions than citing an average black citizen. Maybe this is part of the reasoning why ER wasn't cited. If the original intent was racist in nature, the decision making process for handling the situation might have been affected by ER's employment/status.

I would like to ps this with saying I have no idea if the cops were or acted discriminatory during this incident.

 

[MoVaughn4Prez]

The full dash cam video is available in case anyone wants to get away from wild speculation and random assumptions.

Patriots' linebacker says Fort Bend deputy harassed him, called him a 'big black man' outside his home

 

[IllegalContact]

Okay, so then I’ll direct the same question at you - if he pulled him over because he was a “black guy driving a nice car,” as you so definitively put it, why didn’t he issue a citation? Or do anything for that matter? He let him go. Is that something that racist white cops do, in your extensive experience?

I have never heard of someone go 24mph over and not get a ticket.....that said, seems like a lot of noise for something they were just going to let him go over

I’ve been in enough situations to know if you rule the cop, you get the ticket....so how come no ticket....I think I know the answer

 

[IllegalContact]

They never ask for proof of insurance in NH (because you don't need it - Live Free or Die!) or MA that I am aware of, even though you do need insurance in MA.

The proof of insurance is built into the registration in MA

 

[IllegalContact]

Roberts did nothing wrong and I don’t believe he was speeding.....if he was, you could be sure the police would have released the footage of him speeding

 

[IllegalContact]

If he was going 59 in a 35 somewhere, why’d they wait until he got home to light him up? He wasn’t speeding in the video so that means that if he was speeding it was sometime earlier and that he should have been pulled over earlier.....which also tells me they knew who he was and where he lived.

Roberts did nothing wrong

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

If he was going 59 in a 35 somewhere, why’d they wait until he got home to light him up? He wasn’t speeding in the video so that means that if he was speeding it was sometime earlier and that he should have been pulled over earlier.....which also tells me they knew who he was and where he lived.

Roberts did nothing wrong

The video has him driving past a 35 sign. Can’t tell his speed. He turned lights on after he turned. Maybe because he would rather not do a traffic stop on a road with no shoulder.

 

[Tony2046]

I got pulled over at 1am. I was going 85 in the 65. Had a swarm of Wisconsin State Troopers surround my rental car guns drawn as they thought the car was stolen. I was cuffed and head on the hood.

Just like the ER situation, yours and mine there are events and observations that lead police to react.

Wow.

 

[Ring 6]

Looking back at my post, I didn't word it well. What I meant to say is based on how the registration is done in Texas, there would be nothing stopping a person from cancelling insurance if the registration window sticker was all the proof needed for insurance. The registration is good for a year. What proof of insurance is there a week after the sticker is put on the vehicle?

I assumed years back that Texas also had a way to show insurance coverage by looking up the DL#, as soon as an officer handed back my insurance card saying he didn't need it. Then later on when stopped I was asked for my license and proof of insurance. Then just the license again. Then both again. So I honestly don't know.

I knew what you meant and you were correct.

 

[h0c2000]

I read on the houston chronicle he was on Pitts Rd in Richmond. The drummer for ZZ Top owns a house on that road. I laughed inside since I thought of Arrested for driving while blind but replaced blind in my head with black.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wow.

It was just like "Cops". Yelling at me to get out of the car. Hands up. I was polite and polite can be. Shuttling me over to the hood. Cuffed. Turns out the guy they wanted shot some store owner and rented the same kind of car I had.

After they ran my info, asked me some questions, I showed em my airline tickets , hotel, and saw zip for a criminal history, they uncuffed me, apologized and told me what the deal was. I matched the description of the car thief perfectly too. LOL.

Never been so scared in my life.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The video has him driving past a 35 sign. Can’t tell his speed. He turned lights on after he turned. Maybe because he would rather not do a traffic stop on a road with no shoulder.

He might have slowed down as he was approaching a right hand turn.

Pretty easy to go 59 in a Porsche

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

It was just like "Cops". Yelling at me to get out of the car. Hands up. I was polite and polite can be. Shuttling me over to the hood. Cuffed. Turns out the guy they wanted shot some store owner and rented the same kind of car I had.

After they ran my info, asked me some questions, I showed em my airline tickets , hotel, and saw zip for a criminal history, they uncuffed me, apologized and told me what the deal was. I matched the description of the car thief perfectly too. LOL.

Never been so scared in my life.

Wow. Were you driving a 1964 Buick Skylark with metallic mint green paint?

 

[IllegalContact]

The video has him driving past a 35 sign. Can’t tell his speed. He turned lights on after he turned. Maybe because he would rather not do a traffic stop on a road with no shoulder.

Or maybe he was targeted.....he was at no time during the video driving 59mph.....you can’t gauge speed, but I can...there are many hints to his speed ... the amount of braking to make that turn, for example.

There was absolutely no reason for the cops to behave the way they did

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wow. Were you driving a 1964 Buick Skylark with metallic mint green paint?

Don't quite remember as it was 2002oish but it was a blue midsize. Wanna say a Ford Taurus?

 

[Raymond]

Another conjecture filled thread! I'll just leave this here.