Patriots 53 man roster post draft

[jah]

Good work. I disagree on a couple of the selections

On defense, I have Winowich as a linebacker, so my LB group is Van Noy, Hightower, Bentley, Roberts and Winowich - King gets cut.

DL includes Kamalu instead of Parry

On offense, I don't have Josh Gordon in WR the mix. I think he gets cut. Sadly, he blew his last chance.

TE is a group of three: Izzo, Seferian-Jenkins and Michael (say it with me) Hoomanawanui (I can spell that without looking - need to get a life.)

On ST, I have the rookie Jake Bailey beating out Allen as Punter due to his diverse skill set and speed. Belichick is going to re-write the book for punters and their need to be unpredictable on 4th and less than 10 yards.

A Hooman reunion wouldn't surprise me, but not sure how anyone could expect him to be on the final roster with no signs of interest from the team yet.

 

[jefmblrd]

Isn’t Brooks primarily a special teamer like Ebner is? It would seem like we’ll need to pick up another safety or convert someone who’s already on the roster.

I also suspect they’ll pick up a veteran offensive tackle and defensive lineman as well.

 

[hornetfb85]

Isn’t Brooks primarily a special teamer like Ebner is? It would seem like we’ll need to pick up another safety or convert someone who’s already on the roster.

I also suspect they’ll pick up a veteran offensive tackle and defensive lineman as well.

Makes me wonder if McCourty and JJ Williams will see some Safety reps. Duke Dawson may look at that route for some playing time as well. Just my uninformed opinion.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Makes me wonder if McCourty and JJ Williams will see some Safety reps. Duke Dawson may look at that route for some playing time as well. Just my uninformed opinion.

Everything the team does in coverage is predicated on the defensive matchup. No question the NEP are a "man" team but there were some instances the team played CBs as safeties or in a "zone" package.

In 2019 I see that match up strategy expanding.

 

[mgteich]

WR
I'd have Gordon on suspension and Myers on the Practice Squad. I don't think that we'll carry 5 unless it is so that we can include a KR like Ellington. The 4th and 5th WR have very, very few receptions.

DL
I think that 8 is not enough. These guys play lots of roles. I think that we need a 9th, who could be a true backup, or a developmental player. I have Davis at this point.

BOTTOM LINE
I accept 52 of your players, amazing at this point. I just would have Davis (DE) instead of Gordon.

IMO, we need 2 DL's. a TE and an OT as upgrades to Davis, Parry, Croston and LeCosse (although ASJ might start on PUP).

Obviously some things here are going to change between now and the final roster, but it would be nice to just get a look at things.

QB 3 - Brady Hoyer Stidham

Clearly Brady is a lock as is Stidham being a 4th round pick. Hoyer should be the veteran back up unless they really love Etling. Keeping 4 is possible but unlikely so I think these 3 are a safe projection.

RB/FB 6 - Michel White Harris Burkead Bolden Develin

Not much interesting here. Michel White, Harris, Burkhead and Bolden are all locks. Bolden due mostly to his contract. Unless Develin decides to hang them in camp he should be back. Burkhead being cut would cost 2M and keeping him would cost 3. So he sticks too.

TE 2 - LaCosse ASJ

Unless the Pats sign another TE I see them going light here. LaCosse got a 500K signing bonus which is almost half his cap hit, so clearly the see a design for him and should be a lock. As for the other player(s) it will be anyone's guess. I'll go with ASJ due to his track record. They could keep a 3rd if they believe Anderson or Izzo are NFL caliber guys.

WR 5 - Edelman Harry Dorsett Thomas Gord0n/Meyers

Edelman Harry and Dorset are all locks. For all the questions about Thomas, he's at least played in the NFL and has been productive. If he looks anything like his 2018 self he'll stick. Depending on what happens with Gordon I could see Meyers making a run and maybe Berrios. My UDFA bet is on Meyers right now. I could see the Pats going 6 WRs here eventually once/if Gordon comes back as they may want another pass catcher to help the Gronk-less offense.

OL 9 - Wynn Thuney Andrews Mason Cannon Cajuste Froholdt Croston Karras

This will be an interesting position to watch. As of now the 5 starters along with both 4th round draft picks are locks. Croston probably should hold on a depth OT spot but it isn't certain. The interior will be a vicious fight. Karras, Schwenke, & Ferentz could all make a run at it. I went with Karras due to his versatility but it could go either way. They could also potentially carry 10 but I don't see them keeping 6 IOL men and I don't see a potential 5th emergency tackle right now.

25 total offense.

DE 4 - Bennett Wise Winovich Simon

Bennett, Wise, Winovich and Simons are all locks. Simons due to his contract situation. Even if he has a bad camp they will hope he turns it around and becomes the player he did last year. Rivers could be cut, but about half of his cap hit would become dead money. Maybe Davis or Cowart take a spot but I see them going light on the DL.

DT - 4 Guy Butler Pennel Parry

Guy Butler and Pennel are all locks. This spot could use a signing. Parry a JAG till proven otherwise. Cowart could again fill in as a pass rush DT but there aren't a lot of options besides. This will be an interesting spot to watch going forward. They could also just go Guy Butler and Pennel here and keep a 5th DE to rotate in as a lite DT.

LB - 5 Van Noy Hightower Roberts Bentley King

The first four should be locks. Bentley could be a surprise cut but I don't think so. King should make it due to STs but a cut there is possible. Maybe anther guy is kept instead. Sam and Hall are worth keeping an eye on. Hall is another UDFA who could stick.

CB 6 - Gilmore McCourty Jackson Williams Jones Dawson

I think all of these guys are locks. The only one I could potentially see them cutting is Dawson but you don't tend to give up on a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. That would be very odd. Crossen is the odd man out and maybe gets on the PS. It makes sense. Without a guy like Tyreek Hill to defend the need for a player like Crossen less. A Trade of Dawson to someone else opens his up and could be a move they make.

S 5 - McCourty Chung Harmon Ebner Brooks

Again, all 5 are locks. Brooks is a lock due to his contract situation and STs ability. Not much else to say. I don't see any other safety having a realistic shot here.

Defense 24

STs 4 - Gost, Allen, Cardona Slater

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Edelman,Harry,Dorsett,Harris,Gordon,Berrios,
Myers active til Gordon is eligible then one of Myers Berrios or Harris gets knocked off then barring injury.

 

[mgteich]

4 WR is more likely than 6

Edelman,Harry,Dorsett,Harris,Gordon,Berrios,
Myers active til Gordon is eligible then one of Myers Berrios or Harris gets knocked off then barring injury.

 

[Brick27]

So who’s at KR and PR? Would ideally like to relieve Edelman from having to return punts. Ellington has experience at both spots. Feels like they’ll bring another body in at some point.

 

[mgteich]

First, I note that Belichick has no problem using Edelman, even if there are other options.

That being said, I would hope that Harry will be our punt returner.

With regard to KR, that role isn't really that important any more. One option is to use any of Chung, Develin and Bolden. If we want to carry 5 WR's, Ellington would be a good choice, if he is deemed an OK taking a limited role as a WR.

So who’s at KR and PR? Would ideally like to relieve Edelman from having to return punts. Ellington has experience at both spots. Feels like they’ll bring another body in at some point.

 

[BobDigital]

IMO, people are sleeping on Ellington. He has always made plays against us in the past. Also, despite being injury riddled...he had 31 catches last year with two teams...by comparison..Hogan has only had between 34-36 catches a year for the last 2-3 years playing 15-16 games a year with more targets.

That is very possible. I guess I am sleeping on him a bit. However if Thomas produces and Gordon comes back you just can't justify keeping him I think. The other guys would be so much better. I do wonder about who will return punts and kick offs, but to me that is a small time concern if you don't have an elite guy doing it as long as they can hold on to the ball. Unless someone is a really special returner you get very little value out of that spot.

 

[captain stone]

QB: Brady, Hoyer, Stidham
(Etling)

TE: ASJ, Mr Anderson, Izzo
(LaCosse, Beck)

RB: Devlin, White, Burkhead, Michel, DHarris
(Bolden, Brossette)

WR: Edelman, Henry, Dorsett, MHarris, Ellington
(Gordon-Susp, Thomas-PUP, Meyers, Patterson, Barrio, RDavis)

OL: Wynn, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon
CAnderson, Frodo, Schwenke, Cajuste
(Karras, Croston, Eldrenkamp, Skipper, Thanksdad, Lang, Gauthier, StLouis)

DT: Guy, Pennel, Butler, Parry
(Cowart, Kamala, Herron)

DE: Bennett, Wise, Simon, Winovich, Rivers
(Calhoun, KDavis, THarris, Thurman)

LB: Hightower, Van Noy, Bentley, Sam
(Roberts, Munson, Hall, King)

CB: Gilmore, JMac, JJones, JCJackson, Dawson
(Crossen, Webster, AJHoward, Ross)

S: Chung, DMac, Harmon, ObiWan, SloJuan
(Brooks, Ebner, Gant)

STs: Gost, Carbona, Bailey, Slater

Offense: 25
Defense: 23 (24th spot between Cowart, Calhoun, Roberts, Crossen, Brooks)
Players in parentheses listed in order of preference for Next Man Up

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[signbabybrady]

I thought Maurice Harris was the more intriguing signing of the 2 vets we signed a few months ago.

 

[captain stone]

WR: Edelman, Henry, Dorsett, MHarris, Ellington
(Gordon-Susp, Thomas-PUP, Meyers, Patterson, Barrio, RDavis)

So much for that. Next attempt:
Edelman - Dorsett - Mo Harris - Henry - Meyers
(Thomas - PUP; Gordon - SUS)
PS candidates: Barrio - Patterson - Ry Davis - Ubosi

Not exactly fear-striking, especially given the TE situation. Disappointed that they were unable to draft another WR...or Any TE, but I digress...
I hope they know something encouraging about Gordon & Thomas that we don't.

 

[SBLIII]

I hope they know something encouraging about Gordon & Thomas that we don't.

They better do.

 

[SBLIII]

QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, J.White, D.Harris, R.Burkhead, B.Bolden, J.Develin
WR (5) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, J.Meyers, M.Slater
TE (2) M.LaCosse, A.SeferianJenkins
C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, J.Veldheer, Y.Cajuste
DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon, D.Rivers
DT (4) L.Guy, A.Butler, M.Pennel, B.Cowart
ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(3) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jackson, D.Dawson, J.Jones
SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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[Ivan]

Obviously some things here are going to change between now and the final roster, but it would be nice to just get a look at things.

QB 3 - Brady Hoyer Stidham

Clearly Brady is a lock as is Stidham being a 4th round pick. Hoyer should be the veteran back up unless they really love Etling. Keeping 4 is possible but unlikely so I think these 3 are a safe projection.

RB/FB 6 - Michel White Harris Burkead Bolden Develin

Not much interesting here. Michel White, Harris, Burkhead and Bolden are all locks. Bolden due mostly to his contract. Unless Develin decides to hang them in camp he should be back. Burkhead being cut would cost 2M and keeping him would cost 3. So he sticks too.

TE 2 - LaCosse ASJ

Unless the Pats sign another TE I see them going light here. LaCosse got a 500K signing bonus which is almost half his cap hit, so clearly the see a design for him and should be a lock. As for the other player(s) it will be anyone's guess. I'll go with ASJ due to his track record. They could keep a 3rd if they believe Anderson or Izzo are NFL caliber guys.

WR 5 - Edelman Harry Dorsett Thomas Gord0n/Meyers

Edelman Harry and Dorset are all locks. For all the questions about Thomas, he's at least played in the NFL and has been productive. If he looks anything like his 2018 self he'll stick. Depending on what happens with Gordon I could see Meyers making a run and maybe Berrios. My UDFA bet is on Meyers right now. I could see the Pats going 6 WRs here eventually once/if Gordon comes back as they may want another pass catcher to help the Gronk-less offense.

OL 9 - Wynn Thuney Andrews Mason Cannon Cajuste Froholdt Croston Karras

This will be an interesting position to watch. As of now the 5 starters along with both 4th round draft picks are locks. Croston probably should hold on a depth OT spot but it isn't certain. The interior will be a vicious fight. Karras, Schwenke, & Ferentz could all make a run at it. I went with Karras due to his versatility but it could go either way. They could also potentially carry 10 but I don't see them keeping 6 IOL men and I don't see a potential 5th emergency tackle right now.

25 total offense.

DE 4 - Bennett Wise Winovich Simon

Bennett, Wise, Winovich and Simons are all locks. Simons due to his contract situation. Even if he has a bad camp they will hope he turns it around and becomes the player he did last year. Rivers could be cut, but about half of his cap hit would become dead money. Maybe Davis or Cowart take a spot but I see them going light on the DL.

DT - 4 Guy Butler Pennel Parry

Guy Butler and Pennel are all locks. This spot could use a signing. Parry a JAG till proven otherwise. Cowart could again fill in as a pass rush DT but there aren't a lot of options besides. This will be an interesting spot to watch going forward. They could also just go Guy Butler and Pennel here and keep a 5th DE to rotate in as a lite DT.

LB - 5 Van Noy Hightower Roberts Bentley King

The first four should be locks. Bentley could be a surprise cut but I don't think so. King should make it due to STs but a cut there is possible. Maybe anther guy is kept instead. Sam and Hall are worth keeping an eye on. Hall is another UDFA who could stick.

CB 6 - Gilmore McCourty Jackson Williams Jones Dawson

I think all of these guys are locks. The only one I could potentially see them cutting is Dawson but you don't tend to give up on a 2nd round pick in his 2nd year. That would be very odd. Crossen is the odd man out and maybe gets on the PS. It makes sense. Without a guy like Tyreek Hill to defend the need for a player like Crossen less. A trade of Dawson to someone else opens this up and could be a move they make.

S 5 - McCourty Chung Harmon Ebner Brooks

Again, all 5 are locks. Brooks is a lock due to his contract situation and STs ability. Not much else to say. I don't see any other safety having a realistic shot here.

Defense 24

STs 4 - Gost, Allen, Cardona Slater

Really good analysis of the roster, nicely done.

 

[captain stone]

Updated projection to include Inman & Watson:

OFFENSE (26)
QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (5) J.Develin, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris
WR (5) J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, D.Inman, M.Harris
TE (3) B.Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, S.Anderson
C (2) D.Andrews, B.Schwenke
G (4) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt, T.Karras
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, J.Veldheer, Y.Cajuste

DEFENSE (26)
DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon, D.Rivers
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, Shelton
ILB(3) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(2) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, C.Sam
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, D.Dawson, J.Jones, J.Jackson
SS (3) P.Chung, N.Ebner, O.Melifonwu
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, Slater

Total players: 56
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I included DT Danny Shelton because until he signs with another team, I still like the chances of his re-signing here.

I could not decide how to further reduce the roster from 56 to 53, so I'll let the unfortunate toll of injuries cull the extra 3 bodies...some possibilities include Mo Harris vs Mister Anderson for one spot, Schwenke vs Karras for another, and Christian Sam vs ObiWan for the 3rd.

 

[mgteich]

OFFENSE (24)
QB (3) T.Brady, J.Stidham, B.Hoyer
RB (5) S.Michel, D.Harris, J.White, R.Burkhead, J.Develin
WR (5) J.Edelman, N.Harry, D.Thomas, P.Dorsett, D. Inman
TE (3) Ben Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCosse
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, J.Veldheer, Y.Cajuste

DEFENSE (21)
DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon
DT (4) L.Guy, A.Butler, M.Pennel, D.Shelton (or other fa TBD)
ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(2) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Jones, D.Dawson
SS (1) P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon

ST (8) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M. Slater, B. Bolden, B. King, N. Ebner, T. Brooks

Total players: 53
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[captain stone]

OFFENSE (24)

WR (5) J.Edelman, N.Harry, D.Thomas, P.Dorsett, D. Inman

C (1) D.Andrews

DEFENSE (21)

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon

OLB(2) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy

SS (1) P.Chung

ST (8) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M. Slater, B. Bolden, B. King, N. Ebner, T. Brooks

Total players: 53
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I just don't see how Donkey Thomas can avoid starting the season on PUP.

No backup Center?

The Derek Rivers Experiment finished already?

I am really Really hoping that both Christian Sam & ObiWan are given every reasonable chance to supplant the Brandons on STs.