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Are you suggesting that we carry 3 rookie WR's on the 53 in addition to Edelman, DT, Gordon and Dorsett? If not, how many? And how many would be after the 4th round?

See my latest mock below. I do think it’s difficult to fit three additional receivers on the roster but I’m also aware that as things stand, we have no receivers next season which, frankly, is awful planning. I’d be keen to give new receivers a head start on next year.
 
First, as is my bias, I ignore the picks after the 4th round. For me, I know Belichick will find 2-4 but I haven't a clue which ones (or UDFA's).
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BOTTOM LINE ON TRADING
Use: 56, 64, 73, 97
Trade down: 32 (to 43), 101 (to 111), and 134 (to 142)
Compensation received for moving down: 143, 2020 3rd and 2020 4th
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PLAYERS AND NEEDS
I'm more than fine with Little, Smith, Hardman, Sanu, and Banogu. You meet key needs at OT, ready to play TE, WR/R, vet WR and ST/LB.

I would rather sign a vet DT than use the pick at 64. I'd prefer Knox there, or one of the other TE's. If DL is the pick, perhaps someone like Zack Allen might work out better for the future.

I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick picks Little at 32; 43 seems to be a serious risk. The net loss would basically be one of the 2020 picks.

Not my final mock but this is an attempt to create a realistic mock that takes into account our final roster. I used the CBS big board.

Trade: DET trade 43,88 for 32, 134

I’m going pessimistic here and am assuming Big Dex, AJ Brown and Lindstrom are off the board so I trade back looking for an OT.

43. Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

I considered Risner and McGary here. McGary makes more sense athletically but both he and Risner aren’t LTs so I went with the extra versatility allowed by Little. He can be a swing tackle year one, can replace Wynn if he doesn’t measure up at LT or replace Cannon in 2020 if necessary. It also allows for Wynn to move inside and replace Thuney if they don’t re-sign him. Little allows for more flexibility than the other two.

56. Irv Smith Jnr, TE, Alabama

Admittedly not the most exciting TE on offer but I decided to go with the high floor. We can always draft a more exciting TE another time but for 2019, we need someone who can get on the field and produce early. Will work in tandem with ASJ.

64. Khalen Saunders, DT, W Illinois

I reeeeaallly wanted to draft Terry McLaurin here as I think he’s the perfect Pat and an accomplished receiver to boot but I have other ideas for the WR position so as I missed out on DT at 32, I went with the most exciting next best thing. Saunders has rare athleticism. He’ll need work, but with Guy and Pennell, he doesn’t have to start and there’s still the possibility of signing a FA like Allen Bailey or Danny Shelton if necessary.

73. Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia

This is the guy I feel is the one I’ll think they’ll pick especially as I learned today that they gave him a late private workout following a visit. He comes from a scheme the Pats know can translate, he offers the speed the Patriots want and is a dual threat returner which is something we need.

88. Trade with DET for 2020 3rd and 111

I forgot my initial trade was with Detroit but the team doesn’t matter. BB gets his annual future pick.

97. Trade with Atlanta for Mohamed Sanu

This is why I couldn’t bring myself to draft McLaurin. Just too many receivers. The Pats showed interest in Sanu before he signed with ATL and the Falcons are up against the cap with Julio to sign. He doesn’t come cheap at 15m over the next two years but at least we get an experienced vet rather than trying to rely on rookies.

101 Trade to NYG for 142, 143, 2020 4th

Didn’t want that huge gap between the end of the 3rd and the 6th round.

111. Ben Banogu, LB, TCU

One of the gaps we still have on the roster is special teams linebacker and this where I see Banogu initially. But, I also see him in the long-term as either a Derek Rivers replacement or even Van Noy’s eventual Replacement. Banogu has ridiculous athleticism. Interestingly, two of his athletic comps are Mark Anderson and Andre Carter. Another is Jordan Willis whom you may remember. I think it’s a risk worth taking in the 4th round.


142. Bobby Okereke, LB, Stanford

I don’t think we’re desperate for linebackers, but the fact that Okereke was worked out by Nick Caserio got my attention. And I know @reamer is a fan and that’s recommendation enough.

143. Stanley Morgan Jnr, WR, Nebraska

Doesn’t have special size or athleticism but Morgan is one of my favourite receivers in the draft. A candidate for the Foxboro flu with a view to being on the roster next year.

205. Derek Baity, CB, Kentucky

We’ve looked at 3 CBs in this pre-draft process including Baity. They all have one thing in common. They’re all 6’2” or better. BB is clearly considering a type. But with the roster as it’s currently constructed, I couldn’t really justify drafting one high so opted for Baity. One other thing of note with Baity is that his no1 comparable on mockdraftable is Aqib Talib.

239. Byron Cowart, DL, Maryland

A former top recruit who’s career has gone somewhat awry and I think it’s worth taking a shot at resurrecting it. He’s an outside/inside guy who could play a role similar to Trey Flowers although he’s bigger at 298lbs. A PS candidate with an outside shot at making the team

243. Yosuah Nijman, OT, W VirginiA

He has Nate Solder’s athleticism and size but lousy technique. A candidate for Dante’s attention but like Conor McDermott a couple of years ago, a long shot. But there is upside potential there so why not?

246. Alexander Mattison, RB, Boise St.

I love this guy. A hard running north-south runner who can block, catch and rarely fumbles. The comps I’ve seen for him are Alex Collins and Mike Gillislee. Another PS candidate, but he could take some pressure off Michel if required. A safe, if not overly dynamic, pair of hands.

252. Nick Allegretti, OL, Illinois

Another prospect I think is a great fit. He’s a two time team captain, a former wrestler and has been worked out by the Pats and, of course, we already have Ted Karras from the same school. A lock for any future mock from me.

So there you have it. Plenty of picks that I think can be fitted on the roster, a veteran WR to ease the pain of transition and two future picks in next year’s draft. I can think of more exciting mocks but I was trying for realistic.
 
So, for me, pick 64 could be a TE or an EDGE player instead of a DT.
 
First, as is my bias, I ignore the picks after the 4th round. For me, I know Belichick will find 2-4 but I haven't a clue which ones (or UDFA's).
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BOTTOM LINE ON TRADING
Use: 56, 64, 73, 97
Trade down: 32 (to 43), 101 (to 111), and 134 (to 142)
Compensation received for moving down: 143, 2020 3rd and 2020 4th
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PLAYERS AND NEEDS
I'm more than fine with Little, Smith, Hardman, Sanu, and Banogu. You meet key needs at OT, ready to play TE, WR/R, vet WR and ST/LB.

I would rather sign a vet DL than use the pick at 64. I'd prefer Knox there, or one of the other TE's.

I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick picks Little at 32; 43 seems to be a serious risk. The net loss would basically be one of the 2020 picks.

I was going to have us sign a vet DT but the Sanu Trade probably ruled out McLaurin for me which left CB or S and I just don’t think we have room on the roster for either. Khalen is an exciting prospect though and I’d be prepared to carry 4 DTs plus Butler to keep him on the roster.
 
Thoughts

#1 Trading up likely makes no sense in round one. I just don't think the board will give us a reason to.

#2 Trading out of the first is a real possibility. While I like the 5th year option it is possible this board could fall in such a way where trading down is the best move. Luckily the #32 pick will always be in demand cause a team will want that 5th year option. If things break badly for us I could see it happening.

#3 This may be one of the best 3rd round I've seen in a long time. Usually the Pats do very bad in the 3rd but this one will be REALLY good. They better hit in it. Frankly I don't think I'll look back at the 4th round as being good value. By the time the Pats pick in the 4th I don't think I'll care for many options.

#4 While I'd love to trade down and stock up on talented guys this draft I keep reminding myself our roster just don't have room for it. I certainly don't believe we'll leave the first 3 rounds of this draft with 6 players. We're for sure going to trade at least 1 pick into next year and I think we'll pass up on someone I really like to do it.

#5 While I'd like to leave this draft with a bunch of good players in reality the Patriots only need to leave this one particular draft with three things. DL help, 1 WR, 1 TE. While I'd like them to get some safety help, OL help and maybe a double dip at the offensive skill position it isn't absolutely needed. What is needed is to at least get those spots worked out. That all being said if they don't leave this draft with 2 legit WR options I think they'll have missed an opportunity.

#6 Roster building is important, but in the end what wins or loses you a super bowl isn't 63 guys, 53 guys or even 46 guys. It's more like 40 guys with 20 core players. If they leave this draft with 3 true core players that be amazing.
 
Reiss indicating Pats have serious interest in Hardman is music to my ears. I've been on him for a couple of months now. If we can't get Campbell or Deebo I would love to double dip at Georgia again for Ridley and Hardman.

In tonight's draft, the roles of 'Deion Branch' and 'David Givens' will be played by Mecole Hardman and Stanley Morgan Jr.
 
In tonight's draft, the roles of 'Deion Branch' and 'David Givens' will be played by Mecole Hardman and Stanley Morgan Jr.

Fingers crossed. We’re you aware one of Morgan’s comps was Givens?
 
Fingers crossed. We’re you aware one of Morgan’s comps was Givens?

No, I hadn't seen that! I was picturing Hardman as a returner and developmental WR, and mentally paired him with Morgan as a more "ready" route runner and possession guy. Then the image of Branch & Givens naturally came to mind.
 
No, I hadn't seen that! I was picturing Hardman as a returner and developmental WR, and mentally paired him with Morgan as a more "ready" route runner and possession guy. Then the image of Branch & Givens naturally came to mind.

I said when I watched Morgan initially that he reminded me of that era of Patriots receivers.
 
Hardman is my number 1 slot receiver.

I really think Ridley and Morgan could take over hogan’s Role and do it better than Hogan.
 
Just Say NO to physically unimpressive U of Georgia WRs ANYWHERE NEAR the top 100.
 
McLaurin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slater.

The Late Prisoner wasn't really known for his blocking prowess, IIRC.
as a receiver maybe but Slater is a great special teamer.
 
Here's my random thoughts:

  • I think there will be more QBs taken in the first than currently projected. That could be good news for position players falling to 32.
  • Will Grier or Daniel Jones might be the pick for the Pats at 32 or he might be off the board with other teams trading ahead of the Pats at the end of round 1.
  • I like the idea of a trade back from 32 or a trade up to the top of the 2nd. Too many of my binkies come off the board between 32 and 56.
  • I think the first 3 picks will be DL, TE, OL. WR wont be drafted until Round 3.
  • Special teams ability will be a major factor in selecting WR.
  • Looking at the Patriots depth chart there is a good chance to upgrade talent with the following positions making the 53 man roster 2WR, 2TE, 1IOL, 1OT, 1DE, 1LB, 1DL, 1S
 
Definitely warning up to Mecole Hardman. Could be a poor man’s Tyreek Hill minus the legal problems. We really could use Hardman’s speed and explosiveness in special teams as well.
 
I really am starting to think that Chris Lindstrom will be gone by 32 which pains me as I was really coming round to the pick. Daniel Jeremiah has him going at 27, heck, Mel Kiper suggested he go to the Packers at 12. He’s one of those very late risers you see every year that ends up going much higher than you expected.
 
I really am starting to think that Chris Lindstrom will be gone by 32 which pains me as I was really coming round to the pick. Daniel Jeremiah has him going at 27, heck, Mel Kiper suggested he go to the Packers at 12. He’s one of those very late risers you see every year that ends up going much higher than you expected.
I don't value guard so I'm ok with him being not available although he might be the best guard in the draft.
 
I don't value guard so I'm ok with him being not available although he might be the best guard in the draft.

He’s also a RT and a center.
 


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