Poll:Can he play until 50 or no?

[Soliel]

Yes. He can and will play and win super bowl games at fifty

If you doubt that, go look up fifty cent and Eminem’s song about patiently waiting.

 

[Soliel]

this thread is the perfect endorsement of Haldol therapy...

Love haldol. Halcyon was better.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I don’t want Brady to play until he’s 50 even if he’s still the best.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I don’t understand some of the logic surrounding this.
I worked past 45 and I saw my kids grow up. And I work year round.
I have been more siucessful in my career than I probably expected I would and there has never been a day where I say “I’m done with this success, time to quit, nothing more to do”.

My career has been similar. I’m doing things I never dreamed of doing back in my young drug addicted and alcoholic life. But I haven’t achieved it through ridiculously long long hours and traveling constantly. It’s been accomplished through becoming good with relationships and reading people.

My and your job don’t require anything close to the efforts and work professional athletes have to dedicate themselves to. Never mind what Brady does. So we can’t compare ourselves to him.

I’m amazed at his sustained efforts. But I don’t understand when people get addicted to success. Professional success has little to do with success in life as a person. Although Tom seems to have mastered both. At least from where I sit

 

[Ring 6]

My career has been similar. I’m doing things I never dreamed of doing back in my young drug addicted and alcoholic life. But I haven’t achieved it through ridiculously long long hours and traveling constantly. It’s been accomplished through becoming good with relationships and reading people.

My and your job don’t require anything close to the efforts and work professional athletes have to dedicate themselves to. Never mind what Brady does. So we can’t compare ourselves to him.

I’m amazed at his sustained efforts. But I don’t understand when people get addicted to success. Professional success has little to do with success in life as a person. Although Tom seems to have mastered both. At least from where I sit

I think the dynamic that controls this is Brady’s competitive nature. By all reports he is the most competitive person in the room.
Competitive people can never get enough enough competition especially in things they excel at.
I think that’s the driving force. The most rewarding thing in the world to Brady is competing and he cannot fathom how “winning enough” would make someone disinterested in competing.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I think the dynamic that controls this is Brady’s competitive nature. By all reports he is the most competitive person in the room.
Competitive people can never get enough enough competition especially in things they excel at.
I think that’s the driving force. The most rewarding thing in the world to Brady is competing and he cannot fathom how “winning enough” would make someone disinterested in competing.

One thing that has frustrated my managers is that I’m not competitive in my job. All I can do is my best regardless of what others can do.

But I do like when my peers try to compete with me because I couldn’t care less. I see it as a waste of psychological space. I’d rather be in someone’s head than them be in mine

Professional sports is totally different and being competitive is very important

So I agree with you about Brady!

 

[Kontradiction]

One thing that has frustrated my managers is that I’m not competitive in my job. All I can do is my best regardless of what others can do.

But I do like when my peers try to compete with me because I couldn’t care less. I see it as a waste of psychological space. I’d rather be in someone’s head than them be in mine

Professional sports is totally different and being competitive is very important

So I agree with you about Brady!

Unless you’re in sales or sports, being competitive and fostering a climate of competition instead of cooperation in a normal business setting is counterproductive. So your bosses sound like they don’t know what the hell they’re doing and your team morale is absolutely likely to be lower because of that.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Ok that’s a very reasonable response. It seems to me though brady doesn’t feel that way.
I do not believe that accomplishing more than any player before satisfies him and makes him see any les value in competing for the next one.
And that’s a big part of it IMO. He isn’t going to work, he’s going to fuel his competitive fire. If you had a weekly firefighter competition and you dominated it you may be likely to think sticking around is worthwhile than when your job entailed facing life threatening situations. And your job is 52 weeks a year while his is roughly half that.

I could easily put myself in your place and agree with your decision. But for Brady I think he is playing a game at its highest level and loving it. When he quits it’s over forever. And I just don’t believe anything he has accomplished makes him any less driven to accomplish what comes next.


Thank you for your dedication and altruism as a first responder.

Andy. What goes on behind everyone’s closed doors manifest many variables that slant decisions. We can only offer conclusions from our own experiences. Sometimes they are similar with someone else. Most of the time they are not.
I agree with you that Brady is still at the top of his game and his competitive juices are still strong. We will see in 3 years when he is 45 how he is holding up. If nothing has changed then he may defy all odds and have his families support to carry on. If he shows any sign of losing a step sort of speak then he retires. With Brady it is imperative for him to retire a year too early than a year too late. I think he wants his final memory to be of excellence

 

[PatriotsReign]

Unless you’re in sales or sports, being competitive and fostering a climate of competition instead of cooperation in a normal business setting is counterproductive. So your bosses sound like they don’t know what the hell they’re doing and your team morale is absolutely likely to be lower because of that.

That WAS my boss. He got fired last November.

I’m a market analyst, so being competitive is irrelevant. We agree 100%

 

[Kontradiction]

That WAS my boss. He got fired last November.

I’m a market analyst, so being competitive is irrelevant. We agree 100%

I’m guessing that’s a big reason why he got fired. He needs to transfer over to a sales career and he’ll be a much better boss. I’m also guessing team morale spiked considerably after he got ****canned. If you are a team leader of any kind, I’d highly recommend reading “The Leadership Challenge” by Kouzes and Posner. Excellent stuff and based on decades of data and research by both CEOs of Fortune 100 companies and leaders of smaller ventures. All my leadership classes in undergrad and grad school were based upon their research and changed the way I probably would have ran my teams had I not taken those classes and electives.

 

[PatriotsReign]

I’m guessing that’s a big reason why he got fired. He needs to transfer over to a sales career and he’ll be a much better boss. I’m also guessing team morale spiked considerably after he got ****canned. If you are a team leader of any kind, I’d highly recommend reading “The Leadership Challenge” by Kouzes and Posner. Excellent stuff and based on decades of data and research by both CEOs of Fortune 100 companies and leaders of smaller ventures. All my leadership classes in undergrad and grad school were based upon their research and changed the way I probably would have ran my teams had I not taken those classes and electives.

Thanks Kontra!
I’ve attended a few seminars in Chicago on management skills. One was about managing down, up and sideways and it was awesome!

My current manager is a great person, but he’s a bit insecure. Which is strange for someone that has accomplished a lot. He’ll call me after a conf call and ask me “How did I sound?” Strangest question a boss ever asked me!

Thankfully, I don’t manage anyone.
I also don’t like the corporate culture. Been with my company for almost 15 years and we were never “corporate”...until a new management team came in 2 years ago.

Now my company is trying to get into our private lives. They want us to submit New Years resolutions, track volunteer work and report exercise activity. I got voluntold to be on “Team Vitality”! I just don’t respond to these requests. Thankfully I’ve gotten enough role model reviews and won a couple of awards so no one has bothered me.

I will never give more of my private life to any corporation. My private life is mine and I only share with people that are important...to my private life.

 

[PatriotsReign]

If he keeps his Chakra's clear from mucus and his binomial, neural pathways in equilibrium, I think it can happen.

I hope he doesn’t think like that. Hopefully, he doesn’t wash his hands 100 times a day and avoid shaking hands.

I used to call on a buyer that refused to shake hands and just fist-bumped. So if I sneezed in front of him, I’d sneeze into my knuckles!

 

[Kontradiction]

Thanks Kontra!
I’ve attended a few seminars in Chicago on management skills. One was about managing down, up and sideways and it was awesome!

My current manager is a great person, but he’s a bit insecure. Which is strange for someone that has accomplished a lot. He’ll call me after a conf call and ask me “How did I sound?” Strangest question a boss ever asked me!

Thankfully, I don’t manage anyone.
I also don’t like the corporate culture. Been with my company for almost 15 years and we were never “corporate”...until a new management team came in 2 years ago.

Now my company is trying to get into our private lives. They want us to submit New Years resolutions, track volunteer work and report exercise activity. I got voluntold to be on “Team Vitality”! I just don’t respond to these requests. Thankfully I’ve gotten enough role model reviews and won a couple of awards so no one has bothered me.

I will never give more of my private life to any corporation. My private life is mine and I only share with people that are important...to my private life.

No problem. I’d still recommend reading it because it has a lot of concepts that you can apply in your private life plus in corporate culture when you deal with your superiors. Another one I’d recommend is “Talk Like Ted” about the art of public speaking and presentations. Both were fascinating to me.

And your company has implemented those things because they’re losing their asses on benefit costs. You basically have a bunch of unhealthy people working there. I agree that it’s ridiculous but they’re doing it for a good reason. They’re trying to avoid having to raise the costs of coverage per employee. They probably waited too long to do anything about it though and I’d say that (if it hasn’t already happened), it will probably be happening in the next year or two. And you can thank the fatties for that.

 

[PatriotsReign]

No problem. I’d still recommend reading it because it has a lot of concepts that you can apply in your private life plus in corporate culture when you deal with your superiors. Another one I’d recommend is “Talk Like Ted” about the art of public speaking and presentations. Both were fascinating to me.

And your company has implemented those things because they’re losing their asses on benefit costs. You basically have a bunch of unhealthy people working there. I agree that it’s ridiculous but they’re doing it for a good reason. They’re trying to avoid having to raise the costs of coverage per employee. They probably waited too long to do anything about it though and I’d say that (if it hasn’t already happened), it will probably be happening in the next year or two. And you can thank the fatties for that.

Right, I know why they’re doing it. But we don’t have a bunch of unhealthy people. I work for a vitamin company. If we have a lot of unhealthy employees, they’re likely in our manufacturing plants. Most of our professionals at headquarters are very young. But most of our field sales and field analysts are older. We had 2 people work until they were fuggn 80!! I could never figure why anyone would want to work that long. I’m done at 67...if I can last 7 more years.

Talk Like Ted sounds good, I’ll check it out. I make a lot of presentations and I enjoy doing it. I never got good at it until I stopped practicing and trying to memorize content. Now I just look at a slide and say whatever comes to mind. I tend to blend in a little comedy. I’ll never practice in front of a mirror again

 

[Kontradiction]

Right, I know why they’re doing it. But we don’t have a bunch of unhealthy people. I work for a vitamin company. If we have a lot of unhealthy employees, they’re likely in our manufacturing plants. Most of our professionals at headquarters are very young. But most of our field sales and field analysts are older. We had 2 people work until they were fuggn 80!! I could never figure why anyone would want to work that long. I’m done at 67...if I can last 7 more years.

Talk Like Ted sounds good, I’ll check it out. I make a lot of presentations and I enjoy doing it. I never got good at it until I stopped practicing and trying to memorize content. Now I just look at a slide and say whatever comes to mind. I tend to blend in a little comedy. I’ll never practice in front of a mirror again

They work that long because Baby Boomers have been terrible at retiring because it involves saving money instead of buying ridiculous toys that you can’t take to the grave with you anyway. Millennials are doing the same except they’re spending on traveling.

Re: Talk Like Ted, you’ll like it. A little teaser - try to open up your presentations with stories if you can. Whether it’s a story from your life or a story about someone you know or read/heard about. MRIs have shown that, during a presentation, if the speaker tells a story, the speaker and the audience have positive reactions in the same areas of their brain. Their brains essentially light up at the same time. In other words, it’s a mind meld. You capture the audience’s attention with a quick story and deliver your point from there. And go heavy on metaphors if you can.

I’ve seen this actually work. Both in business (I have to give a lot of presentations too - both to my team and the board of directors) and in my personal life. I was the best man at my boy’s wedding in October of last year and I opened up my speech with a story about the two of us. Had them hooked. I could see it in everyone’s face in the room. Then I went into the gushy **** about him and his wife, and ended with a quick anecdote. People came up to me afterward that I had never met (there was somewhere around 200 people there) and congratulated me on it. So I’m telling you, it works. The book also goes into detail on the ideal length of a speech and teaches you the best way to put together Power Points (lose the bullets... it’s been proven to be the worst way you can possibly get people to learn).

 

[Star56]

Gordie Howe played until age 52. In his last season he scored 15 goals and had 26 assists. 23X all-star.

Satchel Paige pitched a game at age 59, though he effectively stopped at age 57 and was still dominant at age 51. A lot of pitchers have been dominant in their mid-40s.

12 years ago my mom said she met a nice man at the senior center she was staying at. She couldn't recall his name but said she thought he played sports when younger. A week later I am sitting in her apartment when her new date knocked on the door. I opened it and there stood Gordie Howe.

Seriously.

 

[VrabelJr]

What the **** is this thread about?

 

[PatriotsReign]

They work that long because Baby Boomers have been terrible at retiring because it involves saving money instead of buying ridiculous toys that you can’t take to the grave with you anyway. Millennials are doing the same except they’re spending on traveling.

Re: Talk Like Ted, you’ll like it. A little teaser - try to open up your presentations with stories if you can. Whether it’s a story from your life or a story about someone you know or read/heard about. MRIs have shown that, during a presentation, if the speaker tells a story, the speaker and the audience have positive reactions in the same areas of their brain. Their brains essentially light up at the same time. In other words, it’s a mind meld. You capture the audience’s attention with a quick story and deliver your point from there. And go heavy on metaphors if you can.

I’ve seen this actually work. Both in business (I have to give a lot of presentations too - both to my team and the board of directors) and in my personal life. I was the best man at my boy’s wedding in October of last year and I opened up my speech with a story about the two of us. Had them hooked. I could see it in everyone’s face in the room. Then I went into the gushy **** about him and his wife, and ended with a quick anecdote. People came up to me afterward that I had never met (there was somewhere around 200 people there) and congratulated me on it. So I’m telling you, it works. The book also goes into detail on the ideal length of a speech and teaches you the best way to put together Power Points (lose the bullets... it’s been proven to be the worst way you can possibly get people to learn).

Ha! I do tell stories fairly often. But probably only around 25% of the time. It connects me to the audience and I just like to tell stories

I’ll order the book for sure now

Regarding boomers and our toys...some of my friends have them. But they’re also good at saving.

I still hang with 4-5 of my childhood buddies and their families. When we were young, we were nuts with booze and drugs. Today, we’re all pretty set for early to normal (67) retirement.

I think it’s important to stay grounded and to accept there’s no such thing as status.

 

[PatriotsReign]

What the **** is this thread about?

Telling stories...do you like stories?