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Montana and Young versus Brady and Rosen Anyone?

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Let's look at some first year stats between Rosen, Steve Young and TB.

Let's start off by saying Rosen played for the worst Team in the League and Brady won the SB in 2001 so the Team talent is evident. Brady also had one camp under his belt and not a pure rookie. Rosen was thrown into the lions' den.

Brady started 12 games in 2001 and Rosen 15

Brady threw for 2,643 and Rosen 2,278

Brady average per catch was 6.9 yards and Rosen 5.8 yards

Brady had 18 TD's to 12 ints. Rosen was 11TD's and 14 ints.

Brady was sacked 41 times with a pretty good OL in 3 fewer starts. Rosen was sacked 45 times with a paper mache OL.

Brady rushed for 43 Yards in 2001 and Rosen 138 first year (pointing out mobility is slightly in Rosen’s favor).

You can read nothing into this but I would say the "sacrifice" Rosen took this year could go well for his future with a good Team.

The Pats will never have an opportunity to Draft a top talent QB as long as they are still a top team. Rosen is 20 years younger than Brady.......20 years!

Rosen is slightly more mobile than TB and perhaps one of the top half of starting QB's in the NFL as far as cerebral. BB demands smart guys.

At pick #32 we are talking Daniel Jones rated as the 51st bet player in the Draft. Grier is rated #157. That is NOT good value for #32.

That being said I think Kyler is going 1st. The Cards will trade and have been offered a 2nd rounder. They are holding out for a 1st.

You also have Rosen as a 5 year guy 1 st rounder, There will not be a great value at QB in Round one (probably traded anyway) at pick #32 so if he goes Jones in Round 2, he is only a 4 year guy. Rosen has the same contract term left.

Not that Hoyer is not a great Team player, but Rosen would be CAP cheaper to keep as TB back up until the passing of the torch.

Let's look at this another way. Steve Young was picked up in a trade from Tampa Bay to the 49ers to take over for Joe Montana.

Young's numbers in Tampa were ironically similar to Rosen's as a first time NFL starter.

His Tampa Bay Team was a crappy 2-12 He threw for 2,282 yards. He threw 8 TD's and was intercepted 13 times. Young was very mobile and still sacked 47 times! His QBR was 65.5. Similar to Rosen.


Cerebral and kind of strange?
Rosen is aloof but noted as a smart guy. Young had severe anxiety through his career that he hid and was reclusive.......... and smarts wise, actual went to law school to get a law degree while playing.

The Buccaneers received second and fourth round draft picks in the trade

Is he not worth the #32 pick (unless how about this thought…….one of our 2nd and our 4th)?

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Montana 4 rings, Young 1 ring.

Brady 6 and counting........If you can guarantee 2 rings for Rosen I'm onboard.
 
Brady took over an atrocious team and immediately started a dynasty.
Rosen took over an atrocious team and they stayed atrocious.
 
Brady in ne vs Montana+Young on sf
Reg season wins
Brady 207
M/Y. 191

Playoff wins
Brady 30
MY. 28

Rings
Brady 6
MY 5

Brady plus me > Montana + young
 
Daniel Jones might be better than Rosen as a pro.
 
Brady took over an atrocious team and immediately started a dynasty.
Rosen took over an atrocious team and they stayed atrocious.

2001 Pats Team atrocious? The Pats were a heck of a lot better in 2001 than this 2018 Cards Team.
We can say coaching had a lot to do with it, but if you recall, Drew Bledoe was the starting QB and there was a lot of anticipation of a solid 2001 season with him.
Apples and oranges.
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You guys got this all wrong. Steve Young is a 3 time Super Bowl Champion. Just like Jimmy is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion.
 
Not defending Rosen here because I really know nothing about him, but...

Whenever there's a discussion about the quality of a QB, the first thing I want to know is: how much pressure was he seeing? Then: was the pressure his fault for holding the ball too long, or did the OL suck?

Put any pro QB under pressure and the numbers drop precipitously. Put any QB behind an OL stone wall and he'll look a lot better.
 
Brady took over an atrocious team and immediately started a dynasty.
Rosen took over an atrocious team and they stayed atrocious.
It's amazing what he did that year with a team in a transition from aging-overpaid veterans and not many skill players to be excited about. Before Bledsoe’s, injury I was hoping they’d at least contend for a playoff birth, but it didn’t look like that after their 0-2 start.
 
Daniel Jones might be better than Rosen as a pro.
That MIGHT be true, but it is very unlikely that Jones will end up being a Patriot, while there IS a greater possibility that Rosen could become one.

If Rosen was coming out of UCLA THIS year he'd be mentioned in the top 3 QB's available in the draft. The Pats don't EVER have a chance at those kinds of guys. Now they can POSSIBLY get one on the rebound. Give the Cards a 2nd and one of the 3 third round picks we will have next year and see what 2 years of good coaching will do for an already talented player. Sitting for 3 years did JG a world of good and like a lot of Patriot FA's, he got PAID!
 
2001 Pats Team atrocious? The Pats were a heck of a lot better in 2001 than this 2018 Cards Team.
We can say coaching had a lot to do with it, but if you recall, Drew Bledoe was the starting QB and there was a lot of anticipation of a solid 2001 season with him.
Apples and oranges.
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You are in denial thinking their 2001 team was going to be any good that year. They had some nice mid tier player signings and division poachings, but not much firepower on both sides of the ball to seriously contend for the playoffs.

It’s hard to believe that in one point in time during the BB-Brady era they were actually the feel good story in the NFL.
 
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Brady took over an atrocious team and immediately started a dynasty.
Rosen took over an atrocious team and they stayed atrocious.

It was not that an atrocious of a team. They went to the SB in 96 and went 8-8 in 1999. They weren’t great but “atrocious” isn’t the word I would use.
 
Brady took over an atrocious team and immediately started a dynasty.
Rosen took over an atrocious team and they stayed atrocious.

There's reductive and then there's this, holy Jesus.

Brady joined the team in 2000 and we were awful that year. He wasn't good enough to start yet or else Belichick would have started him.

And Belichick built that team, not Brady. Giving Brady the lion's share of the credit for 2001 is bonkers.

I don't like Rosen but come on.
 
For someone who hates weed so much, all of OPs posts sure make it seem like he uses it constantly.
 
2001 Pats Team atrocious? The Pats were a heck of a lot better in 2001 than this 2018 Cards Team.
We can say coaching had a lot to do with it, but if you recall, Drew Bledoe was the starting QB and there was a lot of anticipation of a solid 2001 season with him.
Apples and oranges.
DW Toys
Pro football weekly called the patriots the team farthest away from the Sb before the 2001 season. They were 0-2 and looking worse than the previous years 5-11 when mo Lewis changed the future of the NFL
 
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