Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[fnordcircle]

As an attorney I am always interested in "legal stuff," particularly how other attorneys handle cases and what resolutions they are able to get for their clients. I dropped out of the thread when it deteriorated into name calling & people sitting on their high horses, but I became re-intrigued when somebody posted that notice of hearing today. That's the hook for me!

I get that and I guess I should be more clear. There are pats fans who seem personally bothered by our owner getting caught in some skeevy behavior. That's the part I don't get. Being interested in the societal or legal aspects I get. But people upset that this is going to get dragged out like it will be a distraction or something are the ones I mean.

 

[neuronet]

It isn't cruel and unusual punishment, even though it would be cruel and unusual.

 

[Joker]

a date in knee pads with Paul Williams...now THAT would be unusually cruel.Although Fweird would dig it..

 

[XLIX]

Goodell has announced the NFL is doing it's own "fact-finding" investigation into Kraft.
NFL Conducting Its Own Fact-Finding Investigation On Robert Kraft

I wish the NFL was an entity I trusted, because I am very interested in hearing Kraft explain precisely what was meant when he announced he didn't break the law. The court trial (assuming hypothetically it even gets to trial) can't force him to testify but, in a crazy way, the NFL can. Unfortunately, the NFL is an incredibly corrupt organization.

 

[venecol]

Meantime, in Martin County:



More women arrested in sex spa investigation in Martin County; some spa clients fight to keep video from public

 

[Ring 6]

wait...no "human trafficking!!!!!!" charge? can't be...I swear I saw it PRINTED in hundreds of posts by a certain someone the past few weeks.

No one ever said kraft would be charged with human trafficking. It was said many times that it has been widely reported that the search warrant was obtained based upon suspicion of trafficking. Probably half of those mentions were because you seem to not be capable of understanding the difference.

 

[Tb12goesinya]

I see people talking about law here.. law is interpreted on a whim now a days. Interpreted through money, quip pro quo, personal morality, and grandstanding. What one judge sees as violation of civil rights, another sees as perfectly acceptable. The justice system is largely a clown show filled with bastardization of the law.. for instance, putting a camera in a place where citizens undress, envoking the term 'human trafficking' to inflate severity, and then dangling the videos and their potential release as a form of supression.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Meantime, in Martin County:

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More women arrested in sex spa investigation in Martin County; some spa clients fight to keep video from public

If they videotaped from the designated area as the court order stated and not from the sideline none of this would have happened.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I get that and I guess I should be more clear. There are pats fans who seem personally bothered by our owner getting caught in some skeevy behavior. That's the part I don't get. Being interested in the societal or legal aspects I get. But people upset that this is going to get dragged out like it will be a distraction or something are the ones I mean.

What don't you get? You just said it.

First, Bob is a high profile billionaire who pawns himself off as the moral compass of a trillion dollar business and here he is paying middle aged Asian women $100 to jerk him off in a Floridian strip mall. Second, he got caught and embarrassed himself and his "fans".

And yes, fans don't want this dragged out because they fear it will be a distraction to the team's on -the- field efforts.

 

[venecol]

Martin County releases sneak n peak warrants and affidavits. Judge's order was only for monitoring not recording per Defense attorney (verified in documents). Absolutely no mention of human trafficking. Warrants were obtained strictly on suspicion of prostitution. I hope Martin County Sheriff is taken down over his bombastic news conference full of hyperbole and lies.

Deputies posed as 'repair persons' to plant cameras at spas

 

[PatsDeb]

It isn't cruel and unusual punishment, even though it would be cruel and unusual.

It would be cruel, but I don't think it's unusual that the media would be seeking a salacious video of a rich famous person...

 

[PatsDeb]

What don't you get? You just said it.

First, Bob is a high profile billionaire who pawns himself off as the moral compass of a trillion dollars business and here he paying middle aged Asian women $100 to jerk him off in a Floridian strip mall. Second, he got caught and embarrassed himself and his "fans".

And yes, fans don't want this dragged out because they fear it will be a distraction to the team's on -the- field efforts.

It already ruined our ability to bask in the Super Bowl glow! That was my complaint when this first broke - that we can never just sit back and enjoy being Super Bowl champs! That and Bob Kraft revealed himself to be a dirty old man.

 

[PatsDeb]

Goodell has announced the NFL is doing it's own "fact-finding" investigation into Kraft.
NFL Conducting Its Own Fact-Finding Investigation On Robert Kraft

Uh-oh. Hopefully Tom Brady was not generally aware that Bob Kraft visits massage parlors...

 

[venecol]

We now have some facts in the Martin County cases, cops lied and broke the law by recording video of people over that allowed by a Judge's warrant.

I'd like to hear from the pro law geek if he believes the cops should be punished for breaking the law, because you know it's the law and laws can't be broken, ever.

 

[PatsWSB47]

At this point I'm more than a little curious about the reason some people are so insistent that the videos "need" to be made public.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Martin County releases sneak n peak warrants and affidavits. Judge's order was only for monitoring not recording per Defense attorney (verified in documents). Absolutely no mention of human trafficking. Warrants were obtained strictly on suspicion of prostitution. I hope Martin County Sheriff is taken down over his bombastic news conference full of hyperbole and lies.

Deputies posed as 'repair persons' to plant cameras at spas

From your linked story,
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“The [search warrant application] that the police filed with the judge was to monitor and record what was happening the spa,” said Jordan Wagner, a partner at the firm. “But in the judge's order, he only put the word monitor, not monitor and record.”

We checked the paperwork. The search warrant applications clearly ask for monitoring and recording permissions in the title of the document. However, the judge’s order granting those permissions only uses the word "monitor," not "monitor and record."

“We feel if you ask for A, B, and C, and you only get A and B, logic would tell you that you weren’t allowed to get C,” Wagner told WPTV’s Meghan McRoberts. “In this case, they asked for monitoring and recording and the judge’s order only says monitoring.<<<<

 

[PatsDeb]

We now have some facts in the Martin County cases, cops lied and broke the law by recording video of people over that allowed by a Judge's warrant.

I'd like to hear from the pro law geek if he believes the cops should be punished for breaking the law, because you know it's the law and laws can't be broken, ever.

Don't forget that at this stage of things defense attorneys are posturing, just like the cops. It's their argument that the cops went beyond what was authorized by the warrant, but a judge has not ruled that way yet. Although, if it's true that the warrant did not allow recording people in private massage rooms, those prosecutors had better start offering easy plea deals all around before a judge throws out their video and they have no case against anyone.

One thing I have thought about that hasn't gotten any press - were there a significant number of folks who went to this place in search of a legitimate massage? It is a horrible invasion of privacy to be filmed undressing at a private business place if you were there on legitimate business (although maybe the place had a well-known reputation and nobody went there except those seeking more). If I were a defense attorney I would be looking for these folks and threatening a suit against the police for invasion of privacy...

 

[PatsWSB47]

From your linked story,
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“The [search warrant application] that the police filed with the judge was to monitor and record what was happening the spa,” said Jordan Wagner, a partner at the firm. “But in the judge's order, he only put the word monitor, not monitor and record.”

We checked the paperwork. The search warrant applications clearly ask for monitoring and recording permissions in the title of the document. However, the judge’s order granting those permissions only uses the word "monitor," not "monitor and record."

“We feel if you ask for A, B, and C, and you only get A and B, logic would tell you that you weren’t allowed to get C,” Wagner told WPTV’s Meghan McRoberts. “In this case, they asked for monitoring and recording and the judge’s order only says monitoring.<<<<

Well that's the argument. That doesn't mean a judge will throw it out.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It already ruined our ability to bask in the Super Bowl glow! That was my complaint when this first broke - that we can never just sit back and enjoy being Super Bowl champs! That and Bob Kraft revealed himself to be a dirty old man.

Plus it's gross.

 

[venecol]

From your linked story,
>>>
“The [search warrant application] that the police filed with the judge was to monitor and record what was happening the spa,” said Jordan Wagner, a partner at the firm. “But in the judge's order, he only put the word monitor, not monitor and record.”

We checked the paperwork. The search warrant applications clearly ask for monitoring and recording permissions in the title of the document. However, the judge’s order granting those permissions only uses the word "monitor," not "monitor and record."

“We feel if you ask for A, B, and C, and you only get A and B, logic would tell you that you weren’t allowed to get C,” Wagner told WPTV’s Meghan McRoberts. “In this case, they asked for monitoring and recording and the judge’s order only says monitoring.<<<<

I read the warrant application, at the end they have several paragraphs where they specifically ask for monitoring. Then, in a totally separate paragraph they then ask for recording. It's not like they asked throughout for "monitoring and recording" where they could claim they went together. It was two separate requests and only one was granted.

I still can't believe a judge granted a warrant to install video cameras just on suspicion of solicitation alone. I mean they didn't even try to establish prostitution at all, their justification seemed very weak to me. The judge is an azzh*le.