Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[PatriotsReign]

Ok let’s use common sense.

Has the investigation into trafficking been concluded? Have they obtained any evidence?
What would it serve to leave the brother open? Isn’t closing the brothel and removing the girls from the situation a success of such an investigation? Isn’t bob krafts hand job a minor piece of the trafficking investigation rather than as some are implying the whole reason to create a ruse of a trafficking investigation? Do you honestly believe that the police would make up a trafficking accusation in order to sornd their time making misdemeanor arrests for old men getting hand jobs from hookers? I understand this board wants the entire ordeal to be kraft-centric but in reality he is just a dope who stumbled into an investiagation and committed a crime.

You’re trying to make it more complicated than it is. Keep it simple, focused and precise

Human trafficking is an awful and serious crime. Arresting 50 guys for a misdemeanor and trying to say it’s connected to a state wide trafficking investigation tells anyone involved to clean shop and get out of Dodge.

Authorities would NEVER do what they did if that spa was involved in human trafficking. And that’s because it’s clear it wasn’t

 

[PatriotsReign]

Ok so let’s add some facts to the discussion.
Large human trafficking ring busted across Treasure Coast, Palm Beach and Orange counties

Re: probable cause

But that isn’t specific to the spa Kraft went to. So you can’t link them

 

[Ring 6]

Are there law enforcement agencies who don't find sex trafficking horrendous? You're so far off the reservation now it's embarrassing.

Are you an idiot. Do you really think that statement means some law enforcement agencies don’t?

 

[PatriotsReign]

Robert Kraft's attorney denies human trafficking, calls video, traffic stop illegal

 

[Antdawg]

True. The NFL would love to do something crazy to us that ranges far outside the law. That being said. The state of Florida loses this case. Damage is done either way tho.

If Kraft wins this, it gives him a huge advantage with the NFL on the matter. People saying Kraft is fighting for his legacy are correct. His LEGACY is as a very successful NFL owner. Rest assured, this is the correct course for him. If he pleas guilty or no contest, the league has something of legal tangible value to point to. If the case is thrown out, the league has hearsay.

The correct move here for Kraft on all fronts is to fight this tooth and nail. Whatever "damage" he may have done to himself with the league has already been done. The league is not going to fault him worse for exercising his legal rights to defend himself in a court of law.

 

[Ring 6]

You’re trying to make it more complicated than it is. Keep it simple, focused and precise

Human trafficking is an awful and serious crime. Arresting 50 guys for a misdemeanor and trying to say it’s connected to a state wide trafficking investigation tells anyone involved to clean shop and get out of Dodge.

Authorities would NEVER do what they did if that spa was involved in human trafficking. And that’s because it’s clear it wasn’t

No you are complicating it.

They got a warrant to investigate trafficking. They were judged to have probable cause of that.
They did just what they would do to investigate that suspicion and along the way arrested guys soliciting prostitutes.

As far as the kraft case is concerned the only relevance of trafficking is that the cameras that caught his crime were there because of the trafficking warrant.

If kraft were being charged with being caught on camera sneaking in and stealing a 20 out of the cash register, trafficking would be relevant to the same extent. The film is admissible it inadmissible based upon whether the warrant was legal.

 

[Antdawg]

Are you an idiot. Do you really think that statement means some law enforcement agencies don’t?

You added the qualifier in your own statement, as if some law enforcement agencies don't. As if some posters don't. You know exactly what you were doing when you wrote it.

 

[PatriotsReign]

No you are complicating it.

They got a warrant to investigate trafficking. They were judged to have probable cause of that.
They did just what they would do to investigate that suspicion and along the way arrested guys soliciting prostitutes.

As far as the kraft case is concerned the only relevance of trafficking is that the cameras that caught his crime were there because of the trafficking warrant.

If kraft were being charged with being caught on camera sneaking in and stealing a 20 out of the cash register, trafficking would be relevant to the same extent. The film is admissible it inadmissible based upon whether the warrant was legal.

Robert Kraft's attorney is denying any human trafficking in the Patriots owner's current case down in Florida, and is reportedly accusing law enforcement of knowing that fact.

Kraft's attorney William Burck sent a statement to ESPN, saying there was "no human trafficking" and said the "video and the traffic stop were illegal and law enforcement just doesn't want to admit it."

Police used the false claim of human trafficking to get video authorization. I have 2 friends that are police officers and both said they never would have made those arrests if there was a human trafficking investigation. They also said federal authorities would have joined the investigation because that’s the law local police have to follow

Federal authorities REFUSED to get involved

 

[Ring 6]

But that isn’t specific to the spa Kraft went to. So you can’t link them

It’s part of the same investigation.

If they investigate 11 potential trafficking establishments and find trafficking in 1 is that not justification if the investigation?

Remember the point here is the argument that since an arrest for trafficking hadn’t been made then the warrant is invalid.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes I am not surprised that krafts defense team is trying to claim the evidence is inadmissible.
I am surprised that you think a defense attorney claiming something is proof.

And again the standard of the evidence being valid is that a judge reasonably believed there was PROBABLE cause not that this ultimately turns out to be the case.

 

[Ring 6]

You added the qualifier in your own statement, as if some law enforcement agencies don't. As if some posters don't. You know exactly what you were doing when you wrote it.

Copy the entire post. It will make you look like a fool.

 

[Ring 6]

You’re trying to make it more complicated than it is. Keep it simple, focused and precise

Human trafficking is an awful and serious crime. Arresting 50 guys for a misdemeanor and trying to say it’s connected to a state wide trafficking investigation tells anyone involved to clean shop and get out of Dodge.

Authorities would NEVER do what they did if that spa was involved in human trafficking. And that’s because it’s clear it wasn’t

Also, you have it mixed up.

They didn’t arrest 50 guys and say it’s related to trafficking, they suspected trafficking, got a warrant, investigated and along the way arrested 50 guys for soliciting prostitution. Whether or not they can make the trafficking case the suspicion of it is why they were there.

 

[Ring 6]

Police used the false claim of human trafficking to get video authorization. I have 2 friends that are police officers and both said they never would have made those arrests if there was a human trafficking investigation. They also said federal authorities would have joined the investigation because that’s the law local police have to follow

Show me evidence that it was a false claim to get the warrant. That would change everything but there is no evidence of that.
Sorry “my friend thinks” doesn’t cut it

Federal authorities REFUSED to get involved

Please link that, I’d like to read it.

 

[Antdawg]

Copy the entire post. It will make you look like a fool.

Don't come at me with the weak obfuscation. Those are the words you wrote. I guess you needed to inform us that these particular law enforcement agents really, really hated sex trafficking? The entire post was pointless. We already assume all law enforcement agents have a disliking of sex trafficking. Does that mean law enforcement agencies don't sometimes overstep their bounds? Of course, it does not. Your post were your words, not mine.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Seems like that is what Kraft's lawyer is banking on which is judge who issued the warrant did not have enough justification to do so. Judges make mistakes but that seems like a 9th inning down to their last strike strategy...

I see Kraft's lawyer calling it a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Which is why I still ask why the FBI and DOJ did not want to be involved in this case (assumption is not enough evidence/proof of trafficking)

Interesting plot twists here.

They knew there wasn’t any trafficking related to this spa. They may have investigated it and found there wasn’t. And that’s when they decided to make the misdemeanor arrests

As many police forces do, they tried to up a common misdemeanor arrest to get in the limelight. Kraft made it REAL popular, hence this thread, twitter and 24/7 news on something that was nothing

Yet idiots across the country continue to try to link this to trafficking. Just like some continue to believe the Ferguson police shot an innocent man that did nothing

 

[PatriotsReign]

Show me evidence that it was a false claim to get the warrant. That would change everything but there is no evidence of that.
Sorry “my friend thinks” doesn’t cut it

Please link that, I’d like to read it.

It’s everywhere, look it up yourself.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Show me evidence that it was a false claim to get the warrant. That would change everything but there is no evidence of that.
Sorry “my friend thinks” doesn’t cut it

Please link that, I’d like to read it.

Police officer KNOW protocol. The fact is, those arrests never would have happened if there was a human trafficking investigation going on

 

[mgteich]

Please post anything to back this up.

IMO, if this is true, the raid was a fishing effort. If there was probable cause to believe there was trafficking, then the feds would have been involved.

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Federal authorities REFUSED to get involved

 

[Antdawg]

Police officer KNOW protocol. The fact is, those arrests never would have happened if there was a human trafficking investigation going on

It is interesting that in the very beginning of this, myself, along with a few others were pointing out how clearly obvious it was that the traffic stop after the first visit was illegal. Cops break protocol all the time. It doesn't even make them bad cops either. It's all about what you can get away with. In this situation, they will very likely not get away with it.

 

[1960Pats]

Can we at least learn the facts?
No one threatened to release the video.
The sheriff explained the law surrounding requests made to obtain it.

It never ceases to amaze me how we can all read the same words but come out with so many different conclusions.

One thing that I've learned while reading this entire thread is how some here have a very low opinion of the honesty of law enforcement. I wonder why.