Brady vs Jordan

[Gronkowski123]

Basketball? Pfft, ****y sport. FOUL!

Why don't we compare Brady to Kasparov, the greatest chess champion while we're at it?

What about that new kid, Carlson??

 

[BobDigital]

Here is what I will say.

In the modern NBA the players who have the most championships (which were the star player of their team) are KAJ - 6(kinda counts but honestly not really), Jordan - 6 Johnson - 5 Ducan - 5 Kobe - 5

So out of all the modern NBA players Jordan has the most rings that he led his team to with other 3 other guys just being 1 ring behind.

In the NFL you have Brady - 5, Montana - 4, Bradshaw - 4, Aikman - 3 and a bunch of other guys with 2. So about the same amount of separation with Brady (but slightly better going by a ratio). That is until you take into account how much the post salary cap era has effected the game. The NFL now has almost as many SBs in the salary cap era than outside of it.

In the in the 28 years of the salary cap era 2 QBs got 4 rings and another got most of his 3 rings. In the 24 (soon to be 25 SBs) since we would expect to see much of the same. Except we don't.. Brady - 5, Manning - 2, Manning - 2 Big Ben - 2. No other QB under these rules has been able to win 3 SBs let alone 4 SBs. Looking at it that way this is a huge separation. The longer it goes one without at least one other QB winning more than 2 rings the stronger the case Brady has for being better than Jordan.

The separation between Brady and the pack is MUCH more massive than Jordan and the pack if we adjust for this. Brady wins.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady is great and all, but...

Stop. Don't be that Jets fan.

 

[Plat87]

Here is what I will say.

In the modern NBA the players who have the most championships (which were the star player are their team) are KAJ - 6(kinda counts but honestly not really), Jordan - 6 Johnson - 5 Ducan - 5 Kobe - 5

So out of all the modern NBA players Jordan has the most rings that he led his team to with other 3 other guys just being 1 ring behind.

In the NFL you have Brady - 5, Montana - 4, Bradshaw - 4, Aikman - 3 and a bunch of other guys with 2. So about the same amount of separation with Brady (but slightly better going by a ratio). That is until you take into account how much the post salary cap era has effected the game. The NFL now has almost as many SBs in the salary cap era than outside of it.

In the in the 28 years of the salary cap era 2 QBs got 4 rings and another got most of his 3 rings. In the 24 (soon to be 25 SBs) since we would expect to see much of the same. Except we don't.. Brady - 5, Manning - 2, Manning - 2 Big Ben - 2. No other QB under these rules has been able to win 3 SBs let alone 4 SBs. Looking at it that way this is a huge separation. The longer it goes one without at least one other QB winning more than 2 rings the stronger the case Brady has for being better than Jordan.

The separation between Brady and the pack is MUCH more massive than Jordan and the pack if we adjust for this. Brady wins.

I can counter with Brady only played on one side of the ball, he dominated the offense, the greatest at it but when they were making those comebacks against the Seahawks/Falcons in the Super Bowl, Brady was a spectator just like you and me...yeah he scored when they needed to and was clutch as hell but he wasn't out there on the defensive side of the ball causing fumbles/INTs and getting sacks.

Jordan was one of the greatest defensive players ever and that's hard to accomplish as a guard while being one of the best scorers in NBA history while being the most clutch.

This is why its useless to compare GOATs across sports (especially basketball vs football), there won't be a clear cut answer it's just gonna be up to who you prefer more....seeing how this is a Patriots forums I'm gonna guess whos gonna be the favorite answer here. For me just gotta respect both, put them on the same tier but not above one another.

 

[NormZauchin]

I think Brady would be the better baseball player than Jordan. We know he has the arm and mechanics to be a catcher and we know he has the brain to outwit hitters and manage a pitching staff. If he could hit over the Mendoza line he'd make the majors.

On the basepaths of course it'd be all Jordan.

Who is the better golfer?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Brady still has never played in a losing season. Jordan has several. The Patriots went from 5-11 to SB Champion when Brady started.

 

[mosslost]

...

 

[Seacoast Fan]

Nearly impossible to compare because the nature of the NFL is vastly different compared to that of the NBA. For one thing, 16 game season vs. 82 game season. For another, a great player in the NBA can single-handedly impact the team much more than a great player can in the NFL (Brady does come pretty close though).

The only thing for sure? Only Wayne Gretzky can claim he is THE undisputed GOAT among all sports fans. There will always be some idiot arguing the case against Brady or MJ, but no one will question Gretzky.

Orr.

 

[signbabybrady]

What say ye now?

Brady is the GOAT of all sport. Not Jordan. Not Gretzky. Not the Babe. Not Ali. Not Tiger. Not Secretariat.

 

[JetFan79]

What say ye now?

Brady is the GOAT of all sport. Not Jordan. Not Gretzky. Not the Babe. Not Ali. Not Tiger. Not Secretariat.

Football vs basketball point.

What if the coin landed tails up?

 

[catent]

Football vs basketball point.

What if the coin landed tails up?

It's a moot point.

Certainly could say the same for Jordan (in the sense that some fortuitous stroke of luck went his way -- what if 'x' player had made some shot, or what if 'y' player hadn't dribbled the ball out of bounds ... etc,, etc., etc..) which makes evaluation of circumstances and external factors beyond a given player's control largely irrelevant and meaningless.

Every player in every team sport (let alone every human in all aspects of life) encounter a unique set of circumstances; it comes down to how said player/person manages those circumstances and controls what they can control.

Brady, regardless of the coin toss, still had to execute on multiple 3rd-and-long situations over the course of multiple drives in a row (not exclusively overtime), and he made some ridiculously accurate throws in the process.

Any player and their circumstances are, and always will be, inextricably linked, especially in team sports. Using said circumstances to add to/detract from one's accomplishments is futile and contributes nothing meaningful to any discussion/evaluation of a given player.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Nearly impossible to compare because the nature of the NFL is vastly different compared to that of the NBA. For one thing, 16 game season vs. 82 game season. For another, a great player in the NBA can single-handedly impact the team much more than a great player can in the NFL (Brady does come pretty close though).

The only thing for sure? Only Wayne Gretzky can claim he is THE undisputed GOAT among all sports fans. There will always be some idiot arguing the case against Brady or MJ, but no one will question Gretzky.

I truly believe Bobby Orr was better than Gretzky. His plus-minus was far superior. He led the league in scoring multiple season as a defenseman! Many hockey players and analysts agree. Gretzky was the best scorer ever but not necessarily the most valuable player.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Repeating in the NBA is not a piece of cake, but much easier than the NFL.

Football is one and done not a 7 game series. Mistakes are magnified.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Here is what I will say.

In the modern NBA the players who have the most championships (which were the star player are their team) are KAJ - 6(kinda counts but honestly not really), Jordan - 6 Johnson - 5 Ducan - 5 Kobe - 5

So out of all the modern NBA players Jordan has the most rings that he led his team to with other 3 other guys just being 1 ring behind.

In the NFL you have Brady - 5, Montana - 4, Bradshaw - 4, Aikman - 3 and a bunch of other guys with 2. So about the same amount of separation with Brady (but slightly better going by a ratio). That is until you take into account how much the post salary cap era has effected the game. The NFL now has almost as many SBs in the salary cap era than outside of it.

In the in the 28 years of the salary cap era 2 QBs got 4 rings and another got most of his 3 rings. In the 24 (soon to be 25 SBs) since we would expect to see much of the same. Except we don't.. Brady - 5, Manning - 2, Manning - 2 Big Ben - 2. No other QB under these rules has been able to win 3 SBs let alone 4 SBs. Looking at it that way this is a huge separation. The longer it goes one without at least one other QB winning more than 2 rings the stronger the case Brady has for being better than Jordan.

The separation between Brady and the pack is MUCH more massive than Jordan and the pack if we adjust for this. Brady wins.

And this is why the argument for Brady is strong. In the last 30 years alone, Magic Johnson won 5 titles (and made it to 9 Finals), Duncan won 5, Kobe won 5, LeBron is being reasonably compared to Jordan for his efficiency. Jordan isn’t even head and shoulders above anyone else for his accomplishments.

I saw one person point out that he’s a global icon. That’s exactly why Jordan needs to be examined closer, because he is also the most successfully marketed athlete in NBA history. So how much if this was greatness and how much was his image? I remember his entire career, and he was an amazing player, probably the GOAT basketball player, but basketball is easier to dominate, and his window of championship greatness was rather short. He also had a great team and coach around him, and the concept of him as a one man wrecking ball is more hype than reality. He needed a great team and coach to win titles, and he really one won them with a relatively constant cast of teammates.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

I remember the Jordan years in the 90's - will admit, I enjoyed watching the Bulls win almost every year. Jordan probably had the best ensemble cast around him.

 

[MUFC7]

If the Pats win last years SB I think most people would've accepted it too. Guy threw over 500 yards on a very good defense. Back to back such winning performances would've ended the discussion.

I won't see a clutch performer like him again in my lifetime. I honestly think only years after he retired everyone will start to appreciate this level of greatness.

 

[1960Pats]

Nearly impossible to compare because the nature of the NFL is vastly different compared to that of the NBA. For one thing, 16 game season vs. 82 game season. For another, a great player in the NBA can single-handedly impact the team much more than a great player can in the NFL (Brady does come pretty close though).

The only thing for sure? Only Wayne Gretzky can claim he is THE undisputed GOAT among all sports fans. There will always be some idiot arguing the case against Brady or MJ, but no one will question Gretzky.

The true "idiots" are those who disregard the true GOAT of all GOATS in these type of discussions. That was the guy who played for the Boston Celtics and has as many titles in 13 years as Brady and Jordan have combined.

 

[signbabybrady]

Football vs basketball point.

What if the coin landed tails up?

Then TB12 would of gone out on Defense.

 

[BostonWolverine]

This is a fun read:

What's left for Tom Brady? Taking aim at Michael Jordan as the American GOAT

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Jordan left the NBA voluntarily in 1994 and essentially missed two seasons. He then retired in 1998 despite still being at the height of his powers. When he returned in 2001 he was clearly too old.

But that’s 4-5 prime seasons that Jordan threw away on his own volition. The fact that he doesn’t lead the NBA in longevity stats like playoff wins, championships, points, etc. was his own choice. He “could have won 10” but 6 is definitely not 10. I loved watching Jordan growing up, and he was a generational player, but his resume has flaws.

He never carried a subpar supporting cast to a title. Every one of his titles was with a head coach who later won 5 titles with the Lakers, and Scottie Pippen, a perennial all-star/ all-NBA player. Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, Grant...these Bulls teams were no joke with their depth and well rounded was. This team won 55 games without him in 1994, so where is the “Matt Cassel” angle here?

Before having that perfect situation with Jackson, Pippen, and an relatively underwhelming group of Finals opponents, Jordan couldn’t carry the team past other Eastern Conference contenders like the Celtics and Pistons. After their second three-peat, with the prospect of a rebuild, he bailed.

So all Jordan proved to me is that he can play at total GOAT level with an ideal surrounding cast and coach. He left the NBA twice saying he had “nothing else to prove” but I disagree. The book is too short on him...not enough different phases and challenges in his career, like Brady, Ali, or Ruth.