JC Jackson has the best passer rating allowed in the NFL

[TinhWoodhead]

JC has been a bargain ( jc penney)

 

[maineman209]

JCJ is legit.

4 star Recruit from Immolalee, FL which turns out a lot of elite talent. Went to UF before getting in with some bad friends. Had good coaching there and at Maryland.

My binkie.

He will have some bumps in the road with the physicality and avoiding flags, but all the rest of what we need is there. You’ll see a similar style from Dawson if he makes it on the field. They have almost the same measurables. I guess JC is a bit taller but those height measurements are always suspect.

Pre-draft height and weight measurements at college all-star games, the Combine, and pro days are performed in public view. If a measurement isn't performed correctly, someone watching will point it out. Historically, height measurements from venue to venue rarely vary by more than 1/8th inch. And, of course, height doesn't usually change significantly over the time span from age 21 to age 31, the length of a long NFL career.

An athlete's weight, OTOH, can change by a few pounds over the course of a day just from changes in hydration levels.

With that said ...

JC Jackson = 5096/201
Duke Dawson = 5105/197

The height difference is 5/8ths of an inch.

Arm length is the same for both = 31.5"

Jackson posted a 35.5" vertical - 1/2" shorter than the McCourty twins at a similar height (5100). All the other Pats DBs posted a 36" vertical, with the exception of ...

Crossen, at 5091, posted a 39.5" vertical.
Melifonwu, at 6040 (!), posted a 44" vertical (!!).

 

[mgteich]

You guys are sleeping on Crossen, I think he will be another good one for us.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, he's on the 2019 team with Gilmore, Jackson, and Jones (after tending or extending) and Dawson. We need to re-sign JMAC.

 

[maust]

Yes Mr. Jackson has been rapidly improving.

Just like I coach em'

Super job with the secondary and all Sammy. Now if you could just move on to doing some work with the front...that would just be great.

 

[maineman209]

Seems like bb has great success finding defensive backs from the udfa pool, but yet when he over drafts them in the second round, he seems to misfire a ton and those rally cost us.

It seems to me that BB has explained more than once that they'll take a prospect who he, Caserio, and the scouts have highly-rated - when they need to, based mostly on their perception of the amount of interest that other teams have in that prospect.

IOW, if they have two prospects who they've rated the same, but one of them seems to be in high demand and the other isn't, they'll take the first one earlier and wait on the second one. Same deal from round-to-round, all the way down to the 6th/7th and UDFA, when the difference in prospect ratings between a 6th and a UDFA may be negligible.

 

[patfanken]

He was outstanding on JuJu Smith Schuster. That's the benchmark right now which means he can hold his own and then some v top WRs

I'm not sure hes the second coming of Mike Haynes yet but the kid is playing beyond his years

His defining moment for me was in the Steeler game when Shuster hit him with a double move. Not only did JCJ react well he caught up to Smith and was in great position.

The kid has GREAT size for a CB, but also seems to have equal amounts of quickness and speed, which is shocking for an UDFA. With more experience he will develop a better awareness of where the ball is when he is in close coverage. That, imo, is a weakness in his game, but one that can only be resolved with more experience.

I'd love if some mediot would do a story on just WHY this kid fell completely out of the draft. Don't tell me there were off field questions on him. Hell, the NFL have drafted some serious bad people over the years. Yes they might have dropped because of off field issues, but they still got picked. If this kid's measurables were even close to what we are seeing now, then SOMEONE would have picked him, even in the last 2 rounds. Christ the Pats passed on him 7 rounds.

Well it's got to be something in the water. The Steelers seem to have magic in getting recievers, the Pats seem to have the same magic when it comes to CB's. No way to understand the why of it.

 

[maineman209]

You guys are sleeping on Crossen, I think he will be another good one for us.

Crossen is very athletic, by pre-draft testing numbers:
... 4.33/40*, 1.56/10yd ... 39.5 vert/131 lj ... 4.01 shuttle/6.67 3-cone
(*same as Jon Jones and Phillip Dorsett)

Crossen also seems to be a good tackler. He's still fairly raw in coverage, but he did look a bit better, more under control on Sunday versus Zay Jones than he did in the early part of the season. Could be a "2nd-year guy" the way Jon Jones was. I'm not counting on him developing further until I see it, though he does seem to have some potential.

Not "sleeping" on him as much as "waiting".

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Super job with the secondary and all Sammy. Now if you could just move on to doing some work with the front...that would just be great.

I have been trying. They just don't possess Cat like quickness.

 

[TB_Helmet]

His defining moment for me was in the Steeler game when Shuster hit him with a double move. Not only did JCJ react well he caught up to Smith and was in great position.

The kid has GREAT size for a CB, but also seems to have equal amounts of quickness and speed, which is shocking for an UDFA. With more experience he will develop a better awareness of where the ball is when he is in close coverage. That, imo, is a weakness in his game, but one that can only be resolved with more experience.

I'd love if some mediot would do a story on just WHY this kid fell completely out of the draft. Don't tell me there were off field questions on him. Hell, the NFL have drafted some serious bad people over the years. Yes they might have dropped because of off field issues, but they still got picked. If this kid's measurables were even close to what we are seeing now, then SOMEONE would have picked him, even in the last 2 rounds. Christ the Pats passed on him 7 rounds.

Well it's got to be something in the water. The Steelers seem to have magic in getting recievers, the Pats seem to have the same magic when it comes to CB's. No way to understand the why of it.

Yup was just about to ask why he wasn’t drafted.

But also want to know, is anyone else giddy about this guy? I’m not saying he’s the best CB in the league...I’m just saying the statistics say he is.

 

[Soliel]

I’ve been impressed with his play. He may actually be a shut down corner

 

[Uptown]

Yup was just about to ask why he wasn’t drafted.

But also want to know, is anyone else giddy about this guy? I’m not saying he’s the best CB in the league...I’m just saying the statistics say he is.

This may have something to do with it. Glad it’s behind him and he’s being a productive member of society/team.

A series of life-threatening events didn't halt J.C. Jackson's NFL dreams

Jackson found not guilty, says he wants UF return

 

[DarrylS]

This might be a guy the Pats invest in early.. he is under contract until 2021 for what many consider peanuts ($490K in 2018, $570K in 2019 and $660K in 2020)... he seems to be a worthwhile investment for this team.

 

[maineman209]

I have been trying. They just don't possess Cat like quickness.

Hippo-like quickness then?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I'm sorry Ms. Jackson I am for real never meant to make your daughter cry I apologize a trillion times

 

[maineman209]

Yup was just about to ask why he wasn’t drafted.

But also want to know, is anyone else giddy about this guy? I’m not saying he’s the best CB in the league...I’m just saying the statistics say he is.

Depending on who's counting the targets ...

Jackson's completion rate allowed (43%) and YPC allowed (11.3) are virtually identical to Gilmore's.
Jackson's tgts/snap played percentage is higher than Gilmore's (10.9% to 8.7%).
Jackson's total PD-INT/tgt percentage is lower than Gilmore's (13.5% to 21.4%).
Jackson's flags/tgt percentage is higher than Gilmore's (8.1% to 6.0%), but dropping fast.

Jackson has effectively replaced JMAC as the starting LCB; JMAC has since moved into the rotation at slot (with JJ and Harmon). JMAC hasn't (yet) been quite as effective in the slot as he was at LCB, but still generally more effctive there than JJ had been recently.
-- Rowe had been the starting RCB in wk-1, with Gilmore at LCB. JMAC took the starting LCB role in wk-2, and Gilmore replaced Rowe as starting RCB.

The big thing for me is that Jackson seems to be communicating extremely well with everyone else in the secondary, and playing his scheme assignments very well as they're adjusted from play-to-play. He always seems to be where he's supposed to be.

So far, Jackson has been playing with exceptional technical maturity for a rookie.

 

[Kontradiction]

He's been a hell of a find and seems to have locked down the corner role opposite Gilmore. That's great news for the D going into the postseason. Now if they could solve their issues against the run, they'd be a solid unit.

 

[jah]

Pre-draft height and weight measurements at college all-star games, the Combine, and pro days are performed in public view. If a measurement isn't performed correctly, someone watching will point it out. Historically, height measurements from venue to venue rarely vary by more than 1/8th inch. And, of course, height doesn't usually change significantly over the time span from age 21 to age 31, the length of a long NFL career.

An athlete's weight, OTOH, can change by a few pounds over the course of a day just from changes in hydration levels.

With that said ...

JC Jackson = 5096/201
Duke Dawson = 5105/197

The height difference is 5/8ths of an inch.

Arm length is the same for both = 31.5"

Jackson posted a 35.5" vertical - 1/2" shorter than the McCourty twins at a similar height (5100). All the other Pats DBs posted a 36" vertical, with the exception of ...

Crossen, at 5091, posted a 39.5" vertical.
Melifonwu, at 6040 (!), posted a 44" vertical (!!).

Not sure if it's been addressed in this thread yet, but what's with the huge disparity in reported height for Jackson? He seems to be anywhere from 5'10" to 6'1" (his "official" height). My eyes tell me he's on the taller end.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not sure if it's been addressed in this thread yet, but what's with the huge disparity in reported height for Jackson? He seems to be anywhere from 5'10" to 6'1" (his "official" height). My eyes tell me he's on the taller end.

Combine had him at 5-9 3/4

Saw him standing next to DMC on the sidelines and they looked to be the same height and he is 5-11ish.

No way he is 6-1.

 

[maineman209]

Not sure if it's been addressed in this thread yet, but what's with the huge disparity in reported height for Jackson? He seems to be anywhere from 5'10" to 6'1" (his "official" height). My eyes tell me he's on the taller end.

Again, I'm going with 5096 (5', 9.75") for Jackson because that was what he was measured at publicly. The 5'10" would be a reasonable round-off.

Patriots.com may seem "official" because it supposedly directly operated by the Patriots organization. However, the layout and graphics are identical to those for the Giants' website and those of other teams - which tells me that it's actually being outsourced.

Much of the data on it is most likely input by interns employed by the contracted company, and doesn't necessarily come directly from BB, the training staff, etc.). There's inaccurate stuff on there all the time. In any case, it's just a marketing tool, not any kind of "official record".

 

[maineman209]

Combine had him at 5-9 3/4

Saw him standing next to DMC on the sidelines and they looked to be the same height and he is 5-11ish.

No way he is 6-1.

Both McCourtys were publicly measured at 5100 before their respective drafts.