Patriots Player Departure Josh Gordon Stepping Away?

[Triumph]

Neither do you, really.

Enough that if team mates and people trying to help were depending on me, I could hold off on drugs and booze for a few more weeks.

Gordon could care less.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Reads comments....

 

[dtbrks]

This thread still open?

 

[Joker]

yes...yes it is...how much weed will you need to continue down the rabbit hole?

 

[Triumph]

LOL. It's legal so maybe I will smoke some devils lettuce since Reagan isn't President anymore

Send me the bill.

Keep it under $25

 

[signbabybrady]

Ah, so you don’t think there’s going to be some wholesale roster changes this offseason? That’s an interesting (and moronic) take.

There will be some changes as there are any year. Off-season roster moves do not indicate that he thinks an entire roster is a mistake as you suggested.

 

[Adam Seward]

I'm sorry but the guy has admitted to previously joining a gang, stealing cars, fighting, scamming, and selling drugs.

Can you provide a source for the non drug claims? Thanks, this would be new info to me.

 

[supafly]

Enough that if team mates and people trying to help were depending on me, I could hold off on drugs and booze for a few more weeks.

There’s no doubt that Gordon’s actions are terribly selfish. That’s something that all addicts share. There isn’t any logic behind their actions. For example, any normal person would be focused on (finally) hitting free agency and making tens of millions of dollars, amongst many other reasons to tough it out for awhile longer. It truly is a disease that it baffling, cunning, and powerful. That said, there should be some accountability on his part, and any reasonable individual should realize that he’s acting terribly selfish.

 

[supafly]

Can you provide a source for the non drug claims? Thanks, this would be new info to me.

I’m not sure what his source is, but I believe that Gordon’s non-drug crimes stem from his youth. It may have been discussed in the GQ interview from last fall.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don’t mean to be insensitive to anyone struggling with a crippling weed addiction, but I have to agree with you here.

The league isn’t allowed to release information on which drugs were in the players system. The player controls the story. Every player is going to say it’s weed since it’s the most mild drug, implies they’re being unfairly punished too harshly, don’t have a real substance addiction, etc. I’d bet a lot of money it wasn’t weed.

 

[supafly]

The league isn’t allowed to release information on which drugs were in the players system. The player controls the story. Every player is going to say it’s weed since it’s the most mild drug, implies they’re being unfairly punished too harshly, don’t have a real substance addiction, etc. I’d bet a lot of money it wasn’t weed.

Agreed. My response was from several days ago when another poster had stated that it was just weed. I’d have to imagine that you’re likely right, although we may never truly know exactly what went down.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Agreed. My response was from several days ago when another poster had stated that it was just weed. I’d have to imagine that you’re likely right, although we may never truly know exactly what went down.

Yeah I got way behind on this thread and realized after I responded that I was like 20 pages back.

I’ve yet to see an NFL player, still with potential to continue this career, saying they are addicted to opiates, alcohol, prescription pills, etc. We see a lot of guys (Gordon, Martavius Bryant, for example) with the weed cop out, just like the “honest mistake over the counter supplement” excuse for PEDs. But their ability to make those excuses, true or not, is a bargained for players right.

I just wish some people on this forum would stop acting like Gordon decided to grow a pot plant and make a homemade bong so he could have some fun playing his XBox. The guy is a serious drug addict, and as you’ve pointed out, this disease is a real b1tch. I don’t personally have the gene, but my everyday life is constantly effected by people around me who everything to lose but use substances with the same resolve as we eat food and drink water. Lying, deceiving, letting people down, it’s a tragic and unennding liefestyle. I too find myself constantly swinging back and forth about being angry and blaming for not making better choices, and then feeling empathy like they truly have zero control, like it’s hard wired into their brain. Addiction is hell. I’m hopeful it will be a treatable condition by the time my kids are my age so they won’t be effected directly or indirectly in the same way I am, and others around me are, in trying to cope with those that effect us.

 

[Jackson 2]

Yeah I got way behind on this thread and realized after I responded that I was like 20 pages back.

I’ve yet to see an NFL player, still with potential to continue this career, saying they are addicted to opiates, alcohol, prescription pills, etc. We see a lot of guys (Gordon, Martavius Bryant, for example) with the weed cop out, just like the “honest mistake over the counter supplement” excuse for PEDs. But their ability to make those excuses, true or not, is a bargained for players right.

I just wish some people on this forum would stop acting like Gordon decided to grow a pot plant and make a homemade bong so he could have some fun playing his XBox. The guy is a serious drug addict, and as you’ve pointed out, this disease is a real b1tch. I don’t personally have the gene, but my everyday life is constantly effected by people around me who everything to lose but use substances with the same resolve as we eat food and drink water. Lying, deceiving, letting people down, it’s a tragic and unennding liefestyle. I too find myself constantly swinging back and forth about being angry and blaming for not making better choices, and then feeling empathy like they truly have zero control, like it’s hard wired into their brain. Addiction is hell. I’m hopeful it will be a treatable condition by the time my kids are my age so they won’t be effected directly or indirectly in the same way I am, and others around me are, in trying to cope with those that effect us.

What a grown-up, educated and empathetic viewpoint. Well-done.

 

[1960Pats]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying because these posters are basically writing the team off they are not true fans of the team?

Many of the posters you called out I know for a fact are legit fans.

Do they have a chance to make it to the SB? Of course they do. Its accurate to say the team is not as strong as past teams that did make it. Because that is a fact, the skepticism is warranted.

Merry Christmas

Actually the opposite is what happened. One of the posters who quit on the team (not talking about mere negativity as the posts I re-posted clearly shows) then started calling out fans who didn't agree with his viewpoint, even going to the point of calling those of us pink hats. I'm simply showing those posts for what they represent, quitting.

 

[1960Pats]

If by quitting you mean not believing this team will win the SB, then yes, I am a quitter. I don't see how anyone with sense can sit here and look at this team and honestly think they are winning the SB.

Even reaching it is a stretch at this point.... And that was before they lost their best receiver. That doesn't mean I won't still be watching every game and cheering them like I always do. I would love to be proven wrong.

But anyone doubting or "quitting" on this teams chances at a title this year has every right to do so given the state and position of this team right now.

Merry Christmas.

Everyone can say and feel whatever they want, but it was the other way around. One of the fans who was quitting on the team was calling the rest of us out for being pink hats. That's what prompted THIS Pats fan.

 

[203Pat]

Can you provide a source for the non drug claims? Thanks, this would be new info to me.

A timeline of Josh Gordon's history with substance abuse and suspensions | Boston.com

At Lamar, Gordon said he joined a gang, Six Deuce Harvard Park Brim Blood, which involved carrying and shooting a gun — never “maliciously,” he said — stealing cars, fighting, scamming businesses with counterfeit money, and dealing drugs.

 

[1960Pats]

It’s pretty clear that you don’t understand what the word means. Here’s a game - would you lay every single penny you had on the Patriots to win the Super Bowl this year? Yes or no? Why or why not?

Merry Christmas.

This will be my last word on this so that I can stop repeating myself and move on.

I don't judge my fandom by whether or not I'd put everything I own on one game or season. That's preposterous. I wouldn't do that for any Pats team. I will say this though, back in 2001 I was one of the few who gave the Pats a chance to win it all when the playoffs started. One Pats fan even stated then that "the Pats may make it to the SB but there's no way in hell that they'll beat the Rams." The funny thing is that I ran into that guy a couple of days ago at the market and we talked about that. He learned his lesson.

Here's the way that I see it, and then you can respond. You quit on this season (and took a few fans with you) and tried to say that the fans who didn't agree were pink hats. Since I've probably been a Pats fan longer than you've been alive, I took exception to that and decided to call out the quitters, you included.

If there's been any team (other than the Celts of the 60's) that I've been a fan of that I would never quit on it's this one. If they lose then fine, but if they do it won't be because they lost a WR who most of us weren't sure would last the season. If they win, and they could in spite of their struggles, I'll still be here to discuss it even further.

I look forward to your response and seeing your definition of the term pink hats.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Real life perspective: I really hope the young man gets his life together while he still has so much of it ahead of him. All accounts are that he's smart and very likable, which makes it even more heartbreaking really.

Football perspective: This sucks!

 

[denverpatsfan]

So it appears that he shook Kraftys crack squad of security people during the bye week? Is this worse than not paying Deon Branch? Who the fck did he hire to watch Gordon? Larry, Moe and Curly? Or was it Larry, Moe and Shemp since it was cheaper?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So it appears that he shook Kraftys crack squad of security people during the bye week? Is this worse than not paying Deon Branch? Who the fck did he hire to watch Gordon? Larry, Moe and Curly? Or was it Larry, Moe and Shemp since it was cheaper?

Drug addicts will find a way to use drugs. I have a family member who was in the hospital going through detox. He had his a supply in the actual hospital room unbeknownst to everyone and was still using. Earlier this year he overdosed, was brought back to life, released from the hospital, and permanently dead within 24 hours from another overdose.

I have someone close to me who is a perfectly normal, incredible person otherwise, who consistently lies to me about drug use/drug supply. Lies directly to my face again and again even when clearly caught in the lie.

You can’t blame security and watchers. Drug users are smart and manipulative; they are always concocting plans to get their drugs and play on sympathy, a shred of trust, etc. And it’s not like you can lock the man in a straight jacket and take away his phone when he isn’t playing.

I also want to point out they alcohol is about as bad as “the bad drugs.” It is flaunted all the time at social events, advertises everywhere, etc. It works the same way as the stuff we associate with junkies and causes the same addictions, withdrawals, etc. It is also the very thing that often leads people back into the addiction lifestyle. Society should be more aware of alcohol’s grave danger to many people and stop using drinking as a normal social routine. It’s fine if people want to drink, but many people at holiday parties, normal social gathering, etc, are going to suffer badly, along with everyone around them. Saying no in those situations is incredibly difficult and embarrassing.

Addiction isn’t always a back alley IV needle fix.