Talking Team Needs 2019

[captain stone]

Yes, the roster is paper thin, but when you...miss on a few second and third round picks, as well as almost the entire 2016 draft, those things happen.


On defense, fill all three levels with quality picks.

The veracity of the first sentence makes the accomplishment of the second sentence practically impossible.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Resign brown and Edelman on offense, sign a few free agents to fill in depth.

Edelman is signed for 2019.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Dude I've been meaning to hit this thread up w TE1 for a while. Dunno why I didn't but TE is a need for sure.

Gronk is gone soon. I have no idea why he's even playing now tbh. He could make as much or close to it selling products, appearances, hosting shows, just doing his own thing.

I think he's gone very soon.

TE1/2 are already here I'm afraid.

Fant/Smith would be deadly here. Both very complete, NFL ready players.

 

[captain stone]

We have major needs at every...single...feckin position group.

 

[Jimke]

We have major needs at every...single...feckin position group.

This season is feckin Over. The cliff has arrived. Time to seriously think Tank.

Time for Belichick to stop playing games on draft day. Hold on to his choice or trade up.
Stop collecting 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks.

 

[cstjohn17]

Honestly this team desperately needs some young talent to build around. You can almost throw a rock at any position & make a case.

A lot will depend on the years Flowers & Mason have.

Almost certainly the one you listed though.

J/c do u have any grades from previous years?

I agree, I think they could take BPA at any position (even QB). The draft looks very strong on the defensive side, maybe DT , OLB/DE or even Safety.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Defensive and offensive tackles remain a huge priority.

If bb wastes one more second round pick on a dB that washes out in two or three seasons, I am going to throw up,

 

[VacationJason]

I think this is a great draft to focus on defense, not to overdraft a qb. The DLine depth is great so we can wait to till the second round to get someone. With our first pick I think we should take BPA or trade out for more picks. We should make use of our second and third round picks to get DL, TE, S, WR. My list will not have a lot of the big names because I expect most of them to be gone by the time we pick.

I think Irv Smith would be a great TE to get. He is one of the few triple threat TEs. We will need a new triple threat TE to replace Gronk very soon.

For safeties, I think J. Abram, T.Rapp, I.Simmons or M. McLaurins would be good pickups. We need a Chung rotational/replacement player. We should pickup a new LB/SS hybrid which is what I think Simmons or McLaurins could be.

WRs are a little more difficult to judge. We need guys who have large route trees, can diagnose coverages, toughness and have reliable hands. I would also prefer to get some guys who can create separation since that is a major flaw of our receivers now.

My picks would be: Kelvin Harmon, Lil'Jordan Humphrey, David Sills, KJ Hill and DeMarkus Lodge. These guys run good routes, have reliable hands, and can create separation.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I have really liked rapp as a future patriot since his freshman season. I think he and Bryant would be two great picks from the Washington secondary,

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think this is a great draft to focus on defense, not to overdraft a qb. The DLine depth is great so we can wait to till the second round to get someone. With our first pick I think we should take BPA or trade out for more picks. We should make use of our second and third round picks to get DL, TE, S, WR. My list will not have a lot of the big names because I expect most of them to be gone by the time we pick.

I think Irv Smith would be a great TE to get. He is one of the few triple threat TEs. We will need a new triple threat TE to replace Gronk very soon.

For safeties, I think J. Abram, T.Rapp, I.Simmons or M. McLaurins would be good pickups. We need a Chung rotational/replacement player. We should pickup a new LB/SS hybrid which is what I think Simmons or McLaurins could be.

WRs are a little more difficult to judge. We need guys who have large route trees, can diagnose coverages, toughness and have reliable hands. I would also prefer to get some guys who can create separation since that is a major flaw of our receivers now.

My picks would be: Kelvin Harmon, Lil'Jordan Humphrey, David Sills, KJ Hill and DeMarkus Lodge. These guys run good routes, have reliable hands, and can create separation.

I think we might go TE in 1st too. I like Smith and Iowa’s other TE if he declares. TJ Hockenson. N. Font plays like a big WR.

Of the DT’s who could slip a little because there are so many. I like Simmons. Put him and Flowers as your two down linemen in our muddle package.

For the doom and gloomers, we’re keeping Flowers BTW. I’d cut Cannon to free up money to keep Brown too. Play Wynn at RT.

 

[VacationJason]

I think we might go TE in 1st too. I like Smith and Iowa’s other TE if he declares. TJ Hockenson. N. Font plays like a big WR.

Of the DT’s who could slip a little because there are so many. I like Simmons. Put him and Flowers as your two down linemen in our muddle package.

For the doom and gloomers, we’re keeping Flowers BTW. I’d cut Cannon to free up money to keep Brown too. Play Wynn at RT.

I would wait to do that until we are sure that we can sign brown to a deal. Maybe wait to trade cannon the next year to give Wynn some time to learn more.

 

[patsfaninpa]

I would wait to do that until we are sure that we can sign brown to a deal. Maybe wait to trade cannon the next year to give Wynn some time to learn more.

My main reason for releasing/trading Cannon is to free up more cap space
to keep Brown. Really need to keep Brown and Flowers. Might have to make some difficult personnel decisions elsewhere. Cannon, Allen, Ebner. I'd like to restructure Hightower and D. McCourty. Heck, we could even extend TB12 to save some money.

Even after Flowers and Brown. Gotta keep; Gordon, J. McCourty and Gostkowski. Gronk is the 64k question.

I'd go DT, TE and WR if we keep Flowers and Brown. Along with Gordon, McCourty and Gostkowski.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If we are looking for a move tight end, the kid from Texas a&m might be a nice day three pick.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I think first you have to look at the obvious moves....

The cuts

Allen: ($7.4 mil cap savings, no dead money)
No way they can justify him at this number.

McCourty ($9.5 mil cap savings, $3.9 mil dead money)
Maybe one of the worst contracts in Pats history, finally time to get out from underneath it.

Slater ($2.5 cap savings, $500,00 dead money)
let him retire with grace, but his time has come. (should have kept Boldin over him this year (and that was my opinion long before Boldin had his day yesterday.)

Hoyer ($1.49 mil cap savings, $1.5 in dead money)
He just isn't that good, at least give a younger cheaper player a shot.

Keionta Davis ($570,000 cap savings, no dead money)
If he can't make the game day roster with the 2018 defense, cut him and create more cap space.

The re-signings:

Tender Josh Gordon at the first round rate.
$4.429 cap hit, all guaranteed (no brainer).

Franchise tag Trey Flowers ($17.144,000 cap charge) try to re-sign him, but if nothing else don't let him walk.

Try to bring back at a reasonable rate:
Trent Brown
Malcom Brown
Coradelle Patterson

Let walk:
Ghostkowski-too much money, too many misses.
Ryan Allen-might as well get younger and cheaper at both punter and kicker (although he could easily be in the "bring back at a reasonable rate club too).
Jason McCourty
Chris Hogan
Danny Shelton (sucks that they still owe a 3rd round pick for this guy who can't beat out a number of UDFA).
Jeremey Hill
Anthony Dorsett
Rowe

So all these moves and a restructure of Hightower's contract leaves the Pats with $24 million in cap space.

As of today they have 12 draft picks in 2019

They have their own picks in rounds 1,2,4,7 (3-Shelton, 5-Gordon,6-Bademosi)
1st-own
2nd-own
2nd- from Chicago
3rd from Detroit
(2) 3rd round comp picks (solder, Butler)
4th-own
5th rd comp pick (Amendola)
7th-own
7th from Philly
7th from Cleveland
7th rd comp pick (Fleming)

Needs:
pass rusher, speed LB, Safety, QB, TE

Free Agency:

Demarcus Lawrence and Jadaveon Clowney are both going to be UFA, I would say go after one of them, and still try and keep Flowers, but that will never happen.

Safeties: Earl Thomas or Landon Collins

TE: Jared Cook might be a good safety blanket in case Gronk goes down

LB:K.J Wright, Anthony Barr

 

[captain stone]

I think first you have to look at the obvious moves...



...Let walk:

Ghostkowski - too much money, too many misses.

Ryan Allen - might as well get younger and cheaper at both punter and kicker (although he could easily be in the "bring back at a reasonable rate club too)...

Amen.

 

[masterbouncer]

I think first you have to look at the obvious moves....

The cuts

Allen: ($7.4 mil cap savings, no dead money)
No way they can justify him at this number.

McCourty ($9.5 mil cap savings, $3.9 mil dead money)
Maybe one of the worst contracts in Pats history, finally time to get out from underneath it.

Slater ($2.5 cap savings, $500,00 dead money)
let him retire with grace, but his time has come. (should have kept Boldin over him this year (and that was my opinion long before Boldin had his day yesterday.)

Hoyer ($1.49 mil cap savings, $1.5 in dead money)
He just isn't that good, at least give a younger cheaper player a shot.

Keionta Davis ($570,000 cap savings, no dead money)
If he can't make the game day roster with the 2018 defense, cut him and create more cap space.

The re-signings:

Tender Josh Gordon at the first round rate.
$4.429 cap hit, all guaranteed (no brainer).

Franchise tag Trey Flowers ($17.144,000 cap charge) try to re-sign him, but if nothing else don't let him walk.

Try to bring back at a reasonable rate:
Trent Brown
Malcom Brown
Coradelle Patterson

Let walk:
Ghostkowski-too much money, too many misses.
Ryan Allen-might as well get younger and cheaper at both punter and kicker (although he could easily be in the "bring back at a reasonable rate club too).
Jason McCourty
Chris Hogan
Danny Shelton (sucks that they still owe a 3rd round pick for this guy who can't beat out a number of UDFA).
Jeremey Hill
Anthony Dorsett
Rowe

So all these moves and a restructure of Hightower's contract leaves the Pats with $24 million in cap space.

As of today they have 12 draft picks in 2019

They have their own picks in rounds 1,2,4,7 (3-Shelton, 5-Gordon,6-Bademosi)
1st-own
2nd-own
2nd- from Chicago
3rd from Detroit
(2) 3rd round comp picks (solder, Butler)
4th-own
5th rd comp pick (Amendola)
7th-own
7th from Philly
7th from Cleveland
7th rd comp pick (Fleming)

Needs:
pass rusher, speed LB, Safety, QB, TE

Free Agency:

Demarcus Lawrence and Jadaveon Clowney are both going to be UFA, I would say go after one of them, and still try and keep Flowers, but that will never happen.

Safeties: Earl Thomas or Landon Collins

TE: Jared Cook might be a good safety blanket in case Gronk goes down

LB:K.J Wright, Anthony Barr

was wondering if you don't feel the need for any DT (beside keeping Brown), since the IDL is perhaps the weakest part of this team, beside LBs
I would appreciate some kind of a Vince Wilfork DT out of the Draft (with one of the 3 first picks, I would expect DT to be the first pick next year)

however thats BB you never know, he already picked Easley and Brown in the first round who didn't worked out pretty well , now that's hunting them down the road (and the overall poor D# draft picks they have had since 2014 - beside Flowers and perhaps Bentley who showed some promise this year, it was all over poor D# Draft, at least at Offense they got some decent players)

by the way I believe BB will extend TB12 for 2 years and decrease his Cap hit of 27M next year to somewhere around 22-25M without any garanteed money (the 2nd year at least), so no dead money if Brady falls off the cliff "to early"

 

[WaterfallJumper]

was wondering if you don't feel the need for any DT (beside keeping Brown), since the IDL is perhaps the weakest part of this team, beside LBs
I would appreciate some kind of a Vince Wilfork DT out of the Draft (with one of the 3 first picks, I would expect DT to be the first pick next year)

however thats BB you never know, he already picked Easley and Brown in the first round who didn't worked out pretty well , now that's hunting them down the road (and the overall poor D# draft picks they have had since 2014 - beside Flowers and perhaps Bentley who showed some promise this year, it was all over poor D# Draft, at least at Offense they got some decent players)

by the way I believe BB will extend TB12 for 2 years and decrease his Cap hit of 27M next year to somewhere around 22-25M without any garanteed money (the 2nd year at least), so no dead money if Brady falls off the cliff "to early"

Fantastic IDL class coming up, too. We could go in a number of directions and end up with a very good tackle, although we'll miss out on the top several players due to draft slot. If Raekwon Davis checks out from a character standpoint, he could end up as a Seymour lite type of player and may still be around 28 - 32.

I really like Derrick Brown and Dexter Lawrence as well.

 

[masterbouncer]

Fantastic IDL class coming up, too. We could go in a number of directions and end up with a very good tackle, although we'll miss out on the top several players due to draft slot. If Raekwon Davis checks out from a character standpoint, he could end up as a Seymour lite type of player and may still be around 28 - 32.

I really like Derrick Brown and Dexter Lawrence as well.

Brown will be gone most probably around Top15 I'd guess (unfortunately)
However I would go for both Davis and Lawrence if they'd be available when we pick.

Good thing is Pats have quite some Picks next year, bad thing is they have a lot of need since there are some weak points in the team and overall the team is quite old and need some young blood (IDL/LB/WR/TE...QB)

Above all, they have to improve the talent on this D# urgently

 

[Jimke]

Fantastic IDL class coming up, too. We could go in a number of directions and end up with a very good tackle, although we'll miss out on the top several players due to draft slot. If Raekwon Davis checks out from a character standpoint, he could end up as a Seymour lite type of player and may still be around 28 - 32.

I really like Derrick Brown and Dexter Lawrence as well.

Trade up instead of down to get two or three potential starters.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Slater ($2.5 cap savings, $500,00 dead money)
let him retire with grace, but his time has come. (should have kept Boldin over him this year (and that was my opinion long before Boldin had his day yesterday.)

Ghostkowski-too much money, too many misses.

Two things here:

• Bolden and Slater play different roles, which is part of why Bolden stuck around so long.
• Since he won the job his rookie season, Gostkowski has literally faced zero competition for his job. There must be a reason for that.