Cardinals looking to trade Deone Buccanon?

[edkk323]

Haason Reddick was the 13th pick last year. The Cards is dumping him for a mid round pick this year? It makes no sense.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Chung has basically been playing the Bucannon role better than Bucannon the last two weeks.

Now regarding Reddick:





Reddick is too talented at that low a cap hit to not atleast explore as a trade option. Many respectable people saw him as a legit pass rusher at the next level. I’d let Belichick see where he can fit in for a mid-round pick.

I hit "agree" about exploring trade options, but I actually think he's better suited to pass coverage. He can lock up TEs and RBs. If I have time later I'll go dig up some of the gifs I made prior to the draft -- he's very good in man coverage.

 

[ZoisKing]

Haason Reddick was the 13th pick last year. The Cards is dumping him for a mid round pick this year? It makes no sense.

Yeah, it seems pretty odd to me as well. However, if he's on the outs for whatever reason, and they were showcasing him this last game to raise awareness for prospective trade partners, then I'm all for it.

He was a favorite of mine this past draft. Would love to have him alongside Hightower and Van Noy. Getting him via trade would actually be as exciting (maybe more) as getting Gordon, for me.

 

[maineman209]

Pretty sure we can't afford to take on his salary without making some major cuts.

If they wait until the trade deadline, the cap hit for Bucannon's remaining 2018 salary is only about $4.4M. There are a few relatively small moves that the Pats may be able to make to cover that much without making "major cuts" to the roster.

 

[maineman209]

OTOH, two "Chung's" has to be better than 1 Chung + 1 Roberts, right?

 

[slam]

OTOH, two "Chung's" has to be better than 1 Chung + 1 Roberts, right?

Ernie Adams is right now working out the math
2 McCourtys > 1 McCourty
2 Hollisters = 1 Hollister
4 Gronkowskis < 1 Gronkowski
2 Chungs ? 1 Chung

 

[TBR]

Dwayne Allen has to be one of them.

Unless I'm doing this wrong, cutting or trading Allen would only save about $500k.

Rowe, on the other hand, would save $1.1M.

 

[Maho Hiyajo]

He'd be a terrific fit. Quick linebackers who can cover a lot of ground in space are a hot commodity.

We have a similar player in Chung already, but I'd rather have Chung and Bucannon on the field together as opposed to Chung and Elandon Roberts.

 

[edkk323]

He'd be a terrific fit. Quick linebackers who can cover a lot of ground in space are a hot commodity.

We have a similar player in Chung already, but I'd rather have Chung and Bucannon on the field together as opposed to Chung and Elandon Roberts.

I have nightmare when I hear the name Elandon Roberts.

 

[Maho Hiyajo]

I have nightmare when I hear the name Elandon Roberts.

If Collins was still on the team, he'd be a backup.

Unfortunately, losing our 2016 first round pick has hurt us considerably. We could have used such draft capital to get Myles Jack (also weakening Jacksonville's front in the process). Time marches on, though.

 

[edkk323]

If Collins was still on the team, he'd be a backup.

Unfortunately, losing our 2016 first round pick has hurt us considerably. We could have used such draft capital to get Myles Jack (also weakening Jacksonville's front in the process). Time marches on, though.

The Patriots are the only team that had their 1st round stripped. Twice. The next heaviest draft pick was Saints' bounty gate which cost them two 2nd round.

It is the cost of winning so much. We will reload again next year with one 1st, two 2nd and three 3rd. Pretty Fing Cool!

 

[supafly]

If Collins was still on the team, he'd be a backup.

Sure, but his 2018 cap hit (over 12m dollars) is right in line with what we’re paying Gilmore, who is the second most expensive player on our team behind Brady. In other words, the whole complexion of the team would change.

I’m definitely with you regarding the negative effect of missing out on the first rounder. Hopefully, that can be corrected a bit in next year’s draft, should they be able to hit on a couple/few higher round picks.

 

[Maho Hiyajo]

Sure, but his 2018 cap hit (over 12m dollars) is right in line with what we’re paying Gilmore, who is the second most expensive player on our team behind Brady.

Oh I know. I was merely illustrating how the LB depth (in relation to Roberts) would look in the scenario where BB never got rid of Collins.

Moving on from him at that point in 2016 was a smart move. Typically, you move on like that when you have a rookie first-rounder, but you're right - paying him the money he was looking for was never realistic.

 

[supafly]

Oh I know. I was merely illustrating how the LB depth (in relation to Roberts) would look in the scenario where BB never got rid of Collins.

Moving on from him at that point in 2016 was a smart move. Typically, you move on like that when you have a rookie first-rounder, but you're right - paying him the money he was looking for was never realistic.

I’m still a bit surprised that they didn’t take a LB in the first couple of rounds back in April, but in Belichick we trust, right? I’m wondering if he didn’t choose to kick the can down the road another year where Hightower, Chung, etc will be a year older and we’ll be well stocked with higher round picks? Or maybe he just didn’t care for the talent this year.

 

[Maho Hiyajo]

I’m still a bit surprised that they didn’t take a LB in the first couple of rounds back in April, but in Belichick we trust, right? I’m wondering if he didn’t choose to kick the can down the road another year where Hightower, Chung, etc will be a year older and we’ll be well stocked with higher round picks? Or maybe he just didn’t care for the talent this year.

Many have wondered why we took a running back in the first round, in fact. The last one we took that high was more than a decade ago, and the "rule" is to never draft running backs that high. I think there's been enough rebuttals in recent years to reconsider this approach though. Maybe you won't get an Ezekiel Elliot or a Gurley at #22-30, but is it truly fair to evaluate every back as a Day 2 guy?

I've actually noticed that Bill always drafts for value and never for need (sometimes they overlap) - he clearly saw something in Michel that he liked, enough to pass on "needs" on defense. Incidentally, this is the sort of draft strategy the Ravens employ. The fact that we got to a SB with Hightower on IR must have given him something to ponder about. Also, we don't know how much longer Tom is going to play, so surrounding that side with weapons might be a higher priority for the team than we may realize.

 

[maineman209]

Unless I'm doing this wrong, cutting or trading Allen would only save about $500k.

Rowe, on the other hand, would save $1.1M.

If Allen is cut, the Pats would save (gross) 11/16ths of his $500k in weekly roster bonuses, plus all of his $375k in performance incentives ... total about $719k, MINUS the cost of a roster replacement (not necessarily another TE). The minimum cost would be 11/16ths x $480k for a rookie ($330k), so the net savings to the Pats would be about $389k. Replacing Allen with a more experienced player would cost more.

Allen's $3M salary is fully-guaranteed, so no savings on that from a cut.

HOWEVER, if Allen was traded, his new team would take over the remaining 11/16ths of his 2018 salary. The total gross cap savings would be about $2.78M. The net, minus the remaining $330k in salary for a rookie replacement, would be about $2.45M

Waiving Rowe would hypothetically save the Pats 11/16ths of his $1.1M (non-guaranteed) salary ... about $756k, minus the minimum replacement cost, for a net savings of $426k.

However, since he'd need to be waived/injured, he'd revert to IR unless he got claimed. On IR, the Pats would still be paying him, although it might be something less than $756k, if there's an "injury split-salary" clause in his contract. That might provide a gross cap savings of, say, around $250k, but, since the minimum replacement cost of $330k would be higher, the result of moving Rowe to IR would be a NET CAP HIT of at least $80k, and possibly the entire $330k, if there's no injury split. That may be why they haven't put him on IR (cheaper to keep him).

Of course, the Pats could reach an injury settlement-release with Rowe, and then only the settlement cost would hit the cap. A three-week settlement, for example, would cost about $206k, resulting in a gross cap savings of about $550k (minus $330k, the net savings would be $220k). OTOH, since it's now "legal" to trade injured players, the Pats might be able to swing that for a conditional 7th and save the entire $756k-$330k, or $426k.

Bottom lines:
Allen = $389k up to $2.45M
Rowe = $426 (max), but possibly a net COST of $33ok or more.

 

[maineman209]

I’m still a bit surprised that they didn’t take a LB in the first couple of rounds back in April, but in Belichick we trust, right?

I'm waiting to see how much those LBs that BB could have taken (instead of who he did), actually contribute this season.

 

[DarrylS]

I wonder what they would want for that Jones guy, he was the NFC defensive player for the week again. He would look great in a Pats uniform.

Yea, he looks great on a 1 - 4 team then there is that 15 million cap hit which would completely defy the economic system of the NEP.

 

[Maho Hiyajo]

I'm waiting to see how much those LBs that BB could have taken (instead of who he did), actually contribute this season.

I think we got unlucky when the Titans picked Evans 22nd overall. He even played in Alabama under Saban. So had it not been for that, we might have still had Wynn (or Michel for that matter) at 31.

What stuck out about Evans is his impressive 6.95 3-cone time - that is comparable to many safeties in the league. It's part of what you look for in a linebacker these days.

But beyond 31, Darius Leonard is on his way to 100+ tackles this year.

 

[luuked]

I think we got unlucky when the Titans picked Evans 21st overall. He even played in Alabama under Saban. So had it not been for that, we might have still had Wynn (or Michel for that matter) at 31.

What stuck out about Evans is his impressive 6.95 3-cone time - that is comparable to many safeties in the league. It's part of what you look for in a linebacker these days.

But beyond 31, Darius Leonard is on his way to 100+ tackles this year.

Evans was never a first round target according to various sources back after the draft. Ragnow on the other hand...