Just me or defensive scheme seem way better?

[Ring 6]

Hightower looked slow to me, Andy...in comparison to the other LB's.

Rowe was always a step or two off the play all night. The rest of the secondary looked very solid.

I saw the game live...haven't watched the replay yet. Perhaps my live viewing was biased.

Rowe allowed 3 catches for 22 yards.
That is damn good for a cb2.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree as a principal. I will say though, the lions vs jets game defense looked suspiciously like ours in game one last year. Patricia is a great coach. Maybe the schemes are incomprehensible to players

Incomprehensible but he won 2 sbs here was top 10 in points allowed all 5 years he was dc and 1st and 5th the last 2 years?
Come on. You act like he coaches bad defenses here.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The run D needs some work. I thought Shelton was supposed to help in that department.

 

[maineman209]

The Lions' defense gave up 34 of the Jete's 48 points, 10 of those 34 coming on two short-field situations (after a turnover and after yet another long punt return). They also gave up 14 of those 34 points on two big plays (a 41-yd pass, and a 62-yd run).

Meanwhile, the Lions offense scored a total of 10 points and turned the ball over 5 times.

 

[Soliel]

Incomprehensible but he won 2 sbs here was top 10 in points allowed all 5 years he was dc and 1st and 5th the last 2 years?
Come on. You act like he coaches bad defenses here.

I’m not implying he coached bad defenses here in general but more a comparison of game one in Detroit, game one in Gillette last year etc. notoriously, the pats defenses looked weak earlier in the year. Many years too. This evidence seems to point to difficulty understanding the schemes. Stephon Gilmore also claimed the packages were complex.

 

[PF_SU]

The run D needs some work. I thought Shelton was supposed to help in that department.

Question is, where did the Texans break those runs? If they run off tackle and your DE/LBs can't hold them, then there is not much your DT can do.

EDIT: Pro Football Reference says

L End: Lamar Miller 3/33, Deshaun Watson 2/20
L Tckl: Alfred Blue 1/-2, Lamar Miller 3/18, Deshaun Watson 1/8
L Guard: Alfred Blue 1/11, Lamar Miller 4/12
Middle: Lamar Miller 3/11, Deshaun Watson 1/-4
R Guard: Alfred Blue 2/26, Lamar Miller 5/20
R Tackle: Lamar Miller 2/4
R End: Alfred Blue 1/1, DeAndre Hopkins 1/-7, Deshaun Watson 1/4

 

[thecore762]

Under Patricia we let teams run up and down a lot, I’m going to hold judgment since it was only week one, so we will have to see how things hold up.
Overall I am happy with our secondary.

The only concern was pass protection, in the second half JJ was unstoppable. Of course that D-line is filled with first rounders but at some point it got really bad. We can’t have Brady take all those shots.

 

[maineman209]

Question is, where did the Texans break those runs? If they run off tackle and your DE/LBs can't hold them, then there is not much your DT can do.

EDIT: Pro Football Reference says

L End: Lamar Miller 3/33, Deshaun Watson 2/20
L Tckl: Alfred Blue 1/-2, Lamar Miller 3/18, Deshaun Watson 1/8
L Guard: Alfred Blue 1/11, Lamar Miller 4/12
Middle: Lamar Miller 3/11, Deshaun Watson 1/-4
R Guard: Alfred Blue 2/26, Lamar Miller 5/20
R Tackle: Lamar Miller 2/4
R End: Alfred Blue 1/1, DeAndre Hopkins 1/-7, Deshaun Watson 1/4

IIRC, Miller's one long run, the 31-yarder, was around Left End. That would mean that his runs were 2/2yds + 1/31 yds around Left End. So, there's the question of who was playing RDE for the Pats on that play.

However, I believe that 31-yarder was very early in the game. At some point, one of the Texans' Tackles got hurt and was out for the rest of the game, IIRC. Was it their LT?

Anyway, it's not just about the vulnerability of the defenders in a section of the DL. It's also about the ability of the OL to exploit a vulnerability.

 

[Uptown]

Nowhere close to a sufficient sample size, but nonetheless:

 

[Ring 6]

I’m not implying he coached bad defenses here in general but more a comparison of game one in Detroit, game one in Gillette last year etc. notoriously, the pats defenses looked weak earlier in the year. Many years too. This evidence seems to point to difficulty understanding the schemes. Stephon Gilmore also claimed the packages were complex.

Can you quote Gilmore saying that? Just because I don’t recall it and it seems out of character.

 

[Ring 6]

IIRC, Miller's one long run, the 31-yarder, was around Left End. That would mean that his runs were 2/2yds + 1/31 yds around Left End. So, there's the question of who was playing RDE for the Pats on that play.

However, I believe that 31-yarder was very early in the game. At some point, one of the Texans' Tackles got hurt and was out for the rest of the game, IIRC. Was it their LT?

Anyway, it's not just about the vulnerability of the defenders in a section of the DL. It's also about the ability of the OL to exploit a vulnerability.

Had to call one play a vulnerability though. Outside of that play he was 19-67.
I’m fine with a run d that messes up one play and is fine for all the others.

 

[PF_SU]

IIRC, Miller's one long run, the 31-yarder, was around Left End. That would mean that his runs were 2/2yds + 1/31 yds around Left End. So, there's the question of who was playing RDE for the Pats on that play.

However, I believe that 31-yarder was very early in the game. At some point, one of the Texans' Tackles got hurt and was out for the rest of the game, IIRC. Was it their LT?

I guess you mean this play? Seems to be an issue of Brown missing the tackle and Hightower going for the wrong gap. Should've been stopped at or close to the LOS.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[Nunchucks]

I guess you mean this play? Seems to be an issue of Brown missing the tackle and Hightower going for the wrong gap. Should've been stopped at or close to the LOS.

The DE, K. Davis (I think it is) was destroyed on that play, he got manhandled.

 

[maineman209]

I guess you mean this play? Seems to be an issue of Brown missing the tackle and Hightower going for the wrong gap. Should've been stopped at or close to the LOS.

Yeah. I saw that analysis in the re-watch thread after I posted my speculations.

 

[maineman209]

The DE, K. Davis (I think it is) was destroyed on that play, he got manhandled.

He got double-teamed off the snap by the LT and LG and then pushed into the TE by the LT.

 

[maineman209]

Nowhere close to a sufficient sample size, but nonetheless:

Considering that the Pats appeared to be rushing four most of the time, that's a significant achievement compared to last season.

 

[PatsDeb]

Well, it's only one game, and they got gassed by the 3rd quarter, but I am hopeful!

 

[Soliel]

Can you quote Gilmore saying that? Just because I don’t recall it and it seems out of character.

I went looking for the quote. It wasent him saying it. The person writing the article said it while Gilmore struggled. Then, McCourty said the defense couldn’t be simplified any more.

 

[Ring 6]

I went looking for the quote. It wasent him saying it. The person writing the article said it while Gilmore struggled. Then, McCourty said the defense couldn’t be simplified any more.

So kind of the opposite.