OT: Urban Meyer put on paid leave by Ohio State.

[BaconGrundleCandy]

In Meyer’s defense, there were police investigations where they didn’t bring forth charges, so there was certainly some “he said/she said” stuff going on.

Where Meyer screwed himself was at the press conference when he denied having any prior knowledge and then went a step further, stating that it was “shoddy journalism” and people making things up. The reporter who broke the story has gone on an attacking style of digging for dirt because he feels slighted, and perhaps rightfully so.

As for Zack Smith, he just seems like another douchebag who cheated on his wife and then paid the price when she set him up for dropping the kid off at her house, which is how this all started to begin with. Interestingly enough, even her own mother disputes her story and has cut all ties with her. She came public with that news this week.

This is a lot more than he said/she said. Look I've heard some crazy sh it over the past few years but justifying keeping this guy (Smith) around young people is nuts. And that's exactly what UM did.
The HC is a liar who covered for a scum bag. Imagine believing anything he says after this?

OSU will be fine whether he stays or goes. The longer he stays the worse it looks imo.

 

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Zach Smith Ordered Sex Toys to Ohio State Offices, Had Sex With Staffer, Took Nude Photos at White House

Who does this guy think he is, a Bills fan??!

 

[Kontradiction]

What a freak! What's the story on the (now ex) OSU staffer Smith was messing around with? Was it a woman or a man?

Given the new revelations, I’m going to guess that it’s a man. This guy seems closeted as hell.

 

[captain stone]

Urban Meyer could use a lesson from buddy Bill Belichick on how to handle the media, that’s for sure. Had Meyer chosen to go the route that Bill would’ve taken (“I’m not going to comment on another coach’s personal matters”), he could have avoided this drama.

Or go the even more preferred route that Bill takes, by not hiring people like Smitty in the first place.
Bill is a lot of things, many of which I've mentioned over the years, but to my knowledge at least he has hired solid, upstanding men to join his staff, and for that he should be commended.

 

[captain stone]

Given the new revelations, I’m going to guess that it’s a man. This guy seems closeted as hell...

...or trying to over-compensate like hell.

 

[supafly]

This is a lot more than he said/she said. Look I've heard some crazy sh it over the past few years but justifying keeping this guy (Smith) around young people is nuts. And that's exactly what UM did.
The HC is a liar who covered for a scum bag. Imagine believing anything he says after this?

OSU will be fine whether he stays or goes. The longer he stays the worse it looks imo.

Justifying keeping him when the police looked into it and found no reason to press charges? In a he said/she said domestic dispute? His big “cover up” is allowing the police to decide whether or not to press charges, while allowing the process to play out? Seems kind of weak to me.

As far as all of this other stuff with sex toys etc, no one knew of that. What is Meyer supposed to do, police someone’s private mail?

In terms of the “HC being a liar who covered for a scum bag,” he lied to a reporter. That’s not a fireable offense, nor should it be. I’m sure Belichick has done it before. They don’t owe anything to the members of the media. We already have proof that Meyer went through the proper channels within the college to bring it to his AD’s attention.

I agree with you that it’s not a good look, but you don’t fire the best coach in college football (not named Nick Saban) unless the circumstances are dire. We’ll know soon enough whether the committee and trustees deem this situation as dire. I’m not sure that I would, but we live in a PC world these days, so they may can his ass.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Justifying keeping him when the police looked into it and found no reason to press charges? In a he said/she said domestic dispute? His big “cover up” is allowing the police to decide whether or not to press charges, while allowing the process to play out? Seems kind of weak to me.

As far as all of this other stuff with sex toys etc, no one knew of that. What is Meyer supposed to do, police someone’s private mail?

In terms of the “HC being a liar who covered for a scum bag,” he lied to a reporter. That’s not a fireable offense, nor should it be. I’m sure Belichick has done it before. They don’t owe anything to the members of the media. We already have proof that Meyer went through the proper channels within the college to bring it to his AD’s attention.

I agree with you that it’s not a good look, but you don’t fire the best coach in college football (not named Nick Saban) unless the circumstances are dire. We’ll know soon enough whether the committee and trustees deem this situation as dire. I’m not sure that I would, but we live in a PC world these days, so they may can his ass.

You don't need charges to be filed in order to fire someone & the idea that this is a he said/she said in laughable at best. You don't need charges filed to understand the guy is a scum bag. It went back years, this isn't something, one thing, that just happened.
You seem to be stuck on certain points like lying to the media as opposed to allowing this guy to spend time around & influence young adults.

 

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You don't need charges to be filed in order to fire someone & the idea that this is a he said/she said in laughable at best. You don't need charges filed to understand the guy is a scum bag. It went back years, this isn't something, one thing, that just happened.
You seem to be stuck on certain points like lying to the media as opposed to allowing this guy to spend time around & influence young adults.

He’s gone, BGC. They fired him. The question now is whether or not Urban Meyer should be punished, when he followed protocol and reported it to the AD.

As far as “he said/she said,” yes!!! There have been numerous examples, including the fact that the criminal justice system investigated the instances and did not find reason to press charges. Obviously, that’s pretty much the definition of two sides of the story. Also, her mom came forth this week and stated that her daughter is lying about some of the stuff. So much that the mom has not talked with her and has taken Zach Smith’s side during the entire investigations process. She said that her daughter made some comments about how she was going to get revenge on not just Zack, but the whole entire organization.

How any of this applies to Urban Meyer is beyond me, aside from lying to the reporter and allowing the criminal justice process to play out. Too many people attempt to place blame with the wrong party. This is all Zack and Courtney Smith’s drama. They are the people at fault who allowed their personal life to spill over. They should take responsibility. Not drag someone else into it.

 

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He’s gone, BGC. They fired him. The question now is whether or not Urban Meyer should be punished, when he followed protocol and reported it to the AD.

We don’t have the first clue whether or not he followed protocol and reported it to the AD, or whether or not he told the AD the same lies he told the media last month. You’re making things up here.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Justifying keeping him when the police looked into it and found no reason to press charges? In a he said/she said domestic dispute? His big “cover up” is allowing the police to decide whether or not to press charges, while allowing the process to play out? Seems kind of weak to me.

As far as all of this other stuff with sex toys etc, no one knew of that. What is Meyer supposed to do, police someone’s private mail?

In terms of the “HC being a liar who covered for a scum bag,” he lied to a reporter. That’s not a fireable offense, nor should it be. I’m sure Belichick has done it before. They don’t owe anything to the members of the media. We already have proof that Meyer went through the proper channels within the college to bring it to his AD’s attention.

I agree with you that it’s not a good look, but you don’t fire the best coach in college football (not named Nick Saban) unless the circumstances are dire. We’ll know soon enough whether the committee and trustees deem this situation as dire. I’m not sure that I would, but we live in a PC world these days, so they may can his ass.

You don't need charges to be filed in order to fire someone & the idea that this is a he said/she said in laughable at best. You don't need charges filed to understand the guy is a scum bag. It went back years, this isn't something, one thing, that just happened.
You seem to be stuck on certain points like lying to the media as opposed to allowing this guy to spend time around & influence young adults.

We don’t have the first clue whether or not he followed protocol and reported it to the AD, or whether or not he told the AD the same lies he told the media last month. You’re making things up here.

He's obviously too close to the situation in some way. Stuck on the same bullet points you hear in media speak.

 

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We don’t have the first clue whether or not he followed protocol and reported it to the AD, or whether or not he told the AD the same lies he told the media last month. You’re making things up here.

All accounts have him reporting it to Gene Smith, who then eventually fired Zach Smith. If Meyer were actually lying to everyone during a time where he’d been placed on leave knowing damn well that in 2-3 weeks the truth would come out, he’s an absolute moron who will never have a coaching job again.

 

[supafly]

He's obviously too close to the situation in some way. Stuck on the same bullet points you hear in media speak.

I’ve said plenty of times that I hope that he stays, but I don’t think that I’m too close to anything.

I’m simply stating that I don’t believe that someone should be fired from their job if a police investigation has cleared another person of a domestic violence accusation, that’s all. I don’t want to live in a society where we need to police one another when the actual police have found nothing wrong.

Our system has a very strict and often successful domestic violence protocol in place.

 

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All accounts have him reporting it to Gene Smith,

Which accounts are those? The accounts of a guy who has already been caught red handed lying his ass off??

who then eventually fired Zach Smith.

Zach Smith was fired years after the incidents took place.

If Meyer were actually lying to everyone during a time where he’d been placed on leave knowing damn well that in 2-3 weeks the truth would come out, he’s an absolute moron who will never have a coaching job again.

He wasn't on leave when he lied through his teeth to the media. Now while I don't think anyone cares about lying to the media, it is valid to wonder if he was telling the OSU admin those same lies.

We don't have the first clue what Meyer told the AD and admin or when he told them. The fact that this is taking so long does not bode well for the man.​

 

[supafly]

We don't have the first clue what Meyer told the AD and admin or when he told them. The fact that this is taking so long does not bode well for the man.​

The timeline has been 14 days throughout the whole process. The committee ends tomorrow and the trustees will hear them and vote on the matter, next week. I’m not sure what you mean by suggesting that it’s taking a long time? In this day and age, a 2 week turnaround is practically unheard of.

Again, to this point, all that we know is that Smith has DV accusations against him that didn’t produce charges, and that Meyer denied any knowledge to the media. While our PC world likely means that he’ll be fired, I’m going to let the process play out before rushing to judgment.

 

[XLIX]

The timeline has been 14 days throughout the whole process. The committee ends tomorrow and the trustees will hear them and vote on the matter, next week. I’m not sure what you mean by suggesting that it’s taking a long time? In this day and age, a 2 week turnaround is practically unheard of.

Again, to this point, all that we know is that Smith has DV accusations against him that didn’t produce charges, and that Meyer denied any knowledge to the media. While our PC world likely means that he’ll be fired, I’m going to let the process play out before rushing to judgment.

If you think "that's all we know" then you just haven't been following the story.

 

[supafly]

Now while I don't think anyone cares about lying to the media, it is valid to wonder if he was telling the OSU admin those same lies.

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Obviously, just about everyone cares because that’s their main point in arriving to a guilty conclusion—the fact that he lied to the media.
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[supafly]

If you think "that's all we know" then you just haven't been following the story.

I’m following it as closely as I choose to, although I’m starting to wonder if anyone else has since some are making repeated references to “UM,” as well as comments about how the committee is taking so long, when we’ve known the short turnaround 2 week timeline since the initial stages.

Seeing as how we have opposing viewpoints, it’s probably best to let it go and move on. I’ve stated my opinion, and you yours. It’s a highly controversial matter and I doubt that we’ll get anywhere. I respect your thoughts and if I had to bet, I’d probably say that he’ll be let go, but I’d like to see some damning evidence behind it if that’s the case.

 

[XLIX]

Obviously, just about everyone cares because that’s their main point in arriving to a guilty conclusion—the fact that he lied to the media.
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It’s what he did that has him in trouble, not the fact that he lied to the media.

If what he did wasn’t a big deal, then why lie about it in the first place? He lied because he knew how bad his actions - or perhaps I should say “lack of actions” - were.

 

[supafly]

So, the investigators concluded that Meyer was not part of any so-called cover up, but the OSU school President pushed for some type of small suspension since he’s the leader of his assistants and is ultimately responsible for everyone’s actions.

Seems fair to me, I guess. Still think there were some who were a bit quick to drag his name through the mud.

 

[PittPatriot]

So, the investigators concluded that Meyer was not part of any so-called cover up, but the OSU school President pushed for some type of small suspension since he’s the leader of his assistants and is ultimately responsible for everyone’s actions.

Seems fair to me, I guess. Still think there were some who were a bit quick to drag his name through the mud.

Did you ever truly think OSU would let Meyer go? I live in Columbus. I don't think most people feel he should have been dragged into this and even less seem to feel this is a fireable offense.
To me, it's about having a winning program. Losing Urban would be detrimental.