Book claims that Brady was furious with Kraft after Deflategate.

[SHOWTIME15]

How is the book? Worth buying / reading?

I just got the kindle sample. I’m going to try to look at it this weekend.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

There is little chance the colts and ravens knew what the ideal gas law was. These are not educated people were talking about, even their owners and GMs. They probably thought the patriots were actually deflating the balls because they are too stupid to realize the weather conditions had an effect on ball pressure.

They didn't know when this all started but anyone with half a brain did after a couple weeks. I know I know, most of them dont have half a brain, especially goody.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

It still would’ve implicated the NE Patriots organization as cheaters, so I don’t think it was too difficult of a decision for him. At least I hope not, anyway.

It would have been construed by the public (and rightfully so) as an admission of guilt. How can you "throw them under the bus" without saying that you knew they were doing it? It would be an admission that the NE organization was cheaters and an admission that he himself was essentially a cheater since he knew it was being done even if it wasn't doing it himself.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

It would have been construed by the public (and rightfully so) as an admission of guilt. How can you "throw them under the bus" without saying that you knew they were doing it? It would be an admission that the NE organization was cheaters and an admission that he himself was essentially a cheater since he knew it was being done even if it wasn't doing it himself.

Exactly. We all know how it would have gone down - Brady blames them and no one cares because they're essentially nobodies, so it still comes back on him..

Of course this is all under the premise that anything nefarious was going on... science says there wasn't.

 

[patfanken]

I've skimmed through most of this thread and come to the following conclusions.

1. Kraft made a huge mistake in capitulating to Goodell and accepting the suspension.

2. Kraft recognized that mistake and, while too late, publically stated that very clearly.

3. Brady had every right to be pissed at Kraft. That didn't take any "investigative reporting" to figure out. Just a keen sense of the obvious.

4. The other ridiculous "hot take" from this OP's press release was that shipping JG out of town was Kraft's way of kissing up to Brady after his gaff.

That is just RIDICULOUS. While it's great media fodder it fails on SO many levels of facts.

a. JG was NOT coming back to the Pats for the 2018 season. There was absolutely no way he would have signed an extension, and despite what the "cap is crap" crowd would like you to believe, there was no way the Pats could franchise him to be Brady's backup and still be viable.

b. Now if you want to complain about the deal that the Pats wound up with in the end, I'll understand. Lots of rumors that the Browns offered more, but there were also lots of rumors that there were great deals offered by teams at the draft that turned out to be nothing more than draft day rumors NOT actual offers.

c. say what you will about the SF deal, but the Pat got at least something for a guy who was going out the door in 2 more months for nothing.

d. Bottom line: JG's trade had nothing to do with some Brady/Kraft conspiracy to "get rid of the competition. (I mean is there anyone here that believes that JG was the best QB on the Pats for any of his 3+ years here, I'd like him to stand up an be counted). Time simply ran out for the Pats with JG and Brady's was and still is the better QB. So nothing earthshattering here.....UNLESS of course, you are trying to sell books.

 

[Jackson 2]

I've skimmed through most of this thread and come to the following conclusions.

1. Kraft made a huge mistake in capitulating to Goodell and accepting the suspension.

2. Kraft recognized that mistake and, while too late, publically stated that very clearly.

3. Brady had every right to be pissed at Kraft. That didn't take any "investigative reporting" to figure out. Just a keen sense of the obvious.

4. The other ridiculous "hot take" from this OP's press release was that shipping JG out of town was Kraft's way of kissing up to Brady after his gaff.

That is just RIDICULOUS. While it's great media fodder it fails on SO many levels of facts.

a. JG was NOT coming back to the Pats for the 2018 season. There was absolutely no way he would have signed an extension, and despite what the "cap is crap" crowd would like you to believe, there was no way the Pats could franchise him to be Brady's backup and still be viable.

b. Now if you want to complain about the deal that the Pats wound up with in the end, I'll understand. Lots of rumors that the Browns offered more, but there were also lots of rumors that there were great deals offered by teams at the draft that turned out to be nothing more than draft day rumors NOT actual offers.

c. say what you will about the SF deal, but the Pat got at least something for a guy who was going out the door in 2 more months for nothing.

d. Bottom line: JG's trade had nothing to do with some Brady/Kraft conspiracy to "get rid of the competition. (I mean is there anyone here that believes that JG was the best QB on the Pats for any of his 3+ years here, I'd like him to stand up an be counted). Time simply ran out for the Pats with JG and Brady's was and still is the better QB. So nothing earthshattering here.....UNLESS of course, you are trying to sell books.

Please back off with this rational, reasoned thinking BS. You're f###### up this entire board with that crap. Come on!

 

[Angelpats]

It speaks volumes about a man’s character when he refuses to point blame at someone so he can clear his own name for something that never even happened. Even haters should know how honorable that is.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

It speaks volumes about a man’s character when he refuses to point blame at someone so he can clear his own name for something that never even happened. Even haters should know how honorable that is.

Well, it wouldn't have cleared his name anyways and actually probably would have made people think even worse of him.

 

[Raymond]

True.

But then why didn't they trade JG earlier? And what is the succession plan?

Bill said it in an interview. It was more important to have a solid backup than to lose him unessarily. Bill valued a bacupbwhen you had a good one.

 

[Raymond]

Why couldn’t they keep both.

The arguments are:

1. They couldn’t afford him
2. Brady wanted him traded.

Nobody knows the truth.

You have no clue on how the cap works.

 

[Angelpats]

Well, it wouldn't have cleared his name anyways and actually probably would have made people think even worse of him.

Yeah. People will hate anyway. It’s that mentality about not throwing anyone under the bus, no matter how insignificant, that tells you a lot about the person.

 

[Jackson 2]

There is little chance the colts and ravens knew what the ideal gas law was. These are not educated people were talking about, even their owners and GMs. They probably thought the patriots were actually deflating the balls because they are too stupid to realize the weather conditions had an effect on ball pressure.

Respectfully disagree. They may not have known the scientific condition by name, the Ideal Gas Law, but I suspect some of them knew weather affects things like tire pressure. They just didn't care and knew the media and public would get phallically aroused, after Spygate, by the slightest suggestion that the "Cheatriots" were at it again. They couldn't lose, and they knew it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You have no clue on how the cap works.

Then why do we keep hearing these rumors that “Brady forced him out?”

If the cap was an issue, why is this even an argument?

We still haven’t heard anyone from the Pats come out and say they let him go because of cap reasons.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I would expect nothing less of Brady. He has been a stand up guy his entire time in New England. He would never do something like that. It is absolutely insulting to even offer him such a deal if true.

Yup.. you nailed it

Cretin men like Goodell who are in positions of power and authority are basically sociopaths.. so to them they're like "This is a gift offer for you, we'll just pin it on those nobody ball boys and call this one done, alright partner?"

Integrity is something you can take with you all the way to the grave, its a great virtue and has more value than any fortune a human could ever amass.. You can always buy another car, house, boat, plane, whatever the hell it is.. you could set it on fire and buy another one if you really wanted to.. but you can't buy integrity

 

[Jackson 2]

Then why do we keep hearing these rumors that “Brady forced him out?”

If the cap was an issue, why is this even an argument?

We still haven’t heard anyone from the Pats come out and say they let him go because of cap reasons.

With all due respect, and I genuinely mean that, if you don't know the answers to both of your questions I don't think anyone can help you understand.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Then why do we keep hearing these rumors that “Brady forced him out?”

If the cap was an issue, why is this even an argument?

We still haven’t heard anyone from the Pats come out and say they let him go because of cap reasons.

They didn't come out and say it but BB basically implied it when he said the situation if having both QBs was not sustainable.

 

[Kdo5]

It still would’ve implicated the NE Patriots organization as cheaters, so I don’t think it was too difficult of a decision for him. At least I hope not, anyway.

He lost some money, but I’m not sure that pointing the finger at the ball boys would have been that great of a look for him, either. I don’t know.

No it would have made him look very bad. Though I have my doubts about this part of the story. I don't think Goodell or the owners he was beholden to were ever considering removing his suspension. The stuff about a deal involving blaming the ball boys doesn't add up, at least to me.

 

[MagicMarker]

The big mystery is why haven't Jastremski and MacNally ever said anything. The obvious answer is somebody paid them for their silence. But who?

I think they threatened to sue the NFL for defamation and the league paid them off.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

With all due respect, and I genuinely mean that, if you don't know the answers to both of your questions I don't think anyone can help you understand.

either he's being purposefully dense or intellectually dishonest or he's a troll.

 

[Tony2046]

I think you’re misunderstanding my post with respect to the point being made in the book. Here you have Brady’s NFLPA lawyers asking for Brady to cooperate with the investigation and his agent not only turning them away, but telling them he would take it from there. This wasn’t the first time Yee, steps over them, he did it in the immediate aftermath of the media report but convincing Brady to hold a PC despite Smith and McPhee telling him not to. From the NFLPA perspective, play nice with Wells out of professional respect because he would have an uphill battle against Brady.

I think Yee was smart. Those ass wholes had an agenda and he sensed it. The NFL screwed up not knowing wtf an ideal gas law was and went on a witch hunt trying to muster up any pseudo evidence they could find to save face.

In the end they got his phone records and of course there was nothing but at least we now know what kind of pool cover Brady prefers.