Garcia cut!

[captain stone]

The fact they cut a 3rd Rd pick who was on a cheap contract who played a position in need speaks volumes.

It does, though I'm unsure if all of us want to hear what that is, exactly.

 

[DaBruinz]

Except that the fact that Wynn is also hurt and won't be able to participate in mini camp, making it even more unlikely that he ends up as the starting LT. Nobody knows anything about Cannon status either, all we know is that he can't practice now either, so right now, the Pats have a guy they just traded for in Brown and Cranston as tackles. YIKES!!!

Help me understand what you think goes on at mini-camps that makes you believe that Wynn wouldn't be able to participate despite recovering from the Labrum surgery (he's 3 months post-op already). Mini-camps are non-contact affairs with no shoulder pads and no shells.

As for who the Pats have at Tackle, you need to update your information.
The Pats have the following:
Matt Tobin
Andrew Jelks
Trent Brown
LaAdrian Waddle
Ulrick John
Cole Croston

 

[DaBruinz]

Dont cry for me New England.

Garcia lost 40 lbs during treatment. He is cleared to play since March. Another team with time to spare until Garcia gets back into game shape could very well pick him up.

That loss of 40 lbs occurred before December. He'd been putting weight back on. There was no information released about what he weighed currently. The only thing we knew is that HIS doctors (not team) cleared him to return to football.

Does ANYONE truly believe that any doctor out there is going to give a player with a life threatening issue the go ahead to play? Let's be serious. Not happening in this age of liability and litigation.,

 

[DaBruinz]

Hold up on that pro bowl vote.

Wynn hasnt played a game yet.

And @robertweathers didn't imply otherwise. Just because you only think in binary logic doesn't me that applies to the rest of us.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes - he tweeted out that he was cleared to play and was cut a week later with the team citing the reason was not football related.

Are you saying the Pats cut him because he was too skinny?

Your timeline is a bit off there. Garcia tweeted about being cleared back on March 20th. He wasn't released until May 11th. That's nearly 2 months difference.

The non-football injury designation only means that the Patriots don't have liability for whatever reason he failed. We do not know the specific reason why NFI was used. Only that it could be used because Garcia had been on the Pats NFI list due to the blood clots. His being underweight could have been an issue. There could have been something else that BB and Scar felt he hadn't done and they cut him for that reason.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Your timeline is a bit off there. Garcia tweeted about being cleared back on March 20th. He wasn't released until May 11th. That's nearly 2 months difference.

The non-football injury designation only means that the Patriots don't have liability for whatever reason he failed. We do not know the specific reason why NFI was used. Only that it could be used because Garcia had been on the Pats NFI list due to the blood clots. His being underweight could have been an issue. There could have been something else that BB and Scar felt he hadn't done and they cut him for that reason.

You are right. Not sure why I thought the timeline was more condensed.

I hate to speculate why he was cut. I'm assuming they just didn't think he'd ever get to the level of physical health that they needed.

 

[maineman209]

You are right. Not sure why I thought the timeline was more condensed.

I hate to speculate why he was cut. I'm assuming they just didn't think he'd ever get to the level of physical health that they needed.

I'm not sure that I'd say "physical health" in terms of, like, conditioning. He could bulk up to 320 lbs of solid muscle, be able to lift like James Harrison, run a 4.8 40, etc. - and none of it would matter if his condition requires him to be on even moderate doses of blood thinner constantly.

The problem is NFL-level contact. Ordinary football bruising that other guys could shrug off - and especially a concussion, even a relatively minor one - could become immediately life-threatening for him. Having been a caretaker for a couple of elderly folks who were on blood thinners for similar conditions, even minor bruising simply can't be taken lightly.

IF that's Garcia's situation, I really don't see how the Pats could keep him on the team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not sure that I'd say "physical health" in terms of, like, conditioning. He could bulk up to 320 lbs of solid muscle, be able to lift like James Harrison, run a 4.8 40, etc. - and none of it would matter if his condition requires him to be on even moderate doses of blood thinner constantly.

The problem is NFL-level contact. Ordinary football bruising that other guys could shrug off - and especially a concussion, even a relatively minor one - could become immediately life-threatening for him. Having been a caretaker for a couple of elderly folks who were on blood thinners for similar conditions, even minor bruising simply can't be taken lightly.

IF that's Garcia's situation, I really don't see how the Pats could keep him on the team.

I used the term physical health in a broad sense. For example, the team might think he has a chance of his blood clot condition raccurring.

 

[maineman209]

I used the term physical health in a broad sense. For example, the team might think he has a chance of his blood clot condition raccurring.

I've been under the impression (possibly mistaken) that his "condition" - some form of hypercoagulation - is ongoing/continuous, and that it's not the risk that clots in his lungs may recur that is the issue, it's the risk presented by the medication he needs to take to prevent a recurrence of dangerous clotting.

 

[Triumph]

That loss of 40 lbs occurred before December. He'd been putting weight back on. There was no information released about what he weighed currently. The only thing we knew is that HIS doctors (not team) cleared him to return to football.

Does ANYONE truly believe that any doctor out there is going to give a player with a life threatening issue the go ahead to play? Let's be serious. Not happening in this age of liability and litigation.,

Thank you Dr Doolittle for your expert medical opinion.

Reggie Lewis found a Doctor to clear him. There were lawyers and lawsuits back then just like there is today. But, youre probably a lawyer too, so you already know.

 

[Triumph]

And @robertweathers didn't imply otherwise. Just because you only think in binary logic doesn't me that applies to the rest of us.

Lets see Wynn make through camp first.

 

[RayClay]

Thank you Dr Doolittle for your expert medical opinion.

Reggie Lewis found a Doctor to clear him. There were lawyers and lawsuits back then just like there is today. But, youre probably a lawyer too, so you already know.

What a dumb comparison.

 

[Triumph]

What a dumb comparison.

Doctors make mistakes.

Look at you.

 

[Triumph]

With a combined weight of +/-670 lbs ... yeah probably not "nothing".

Wynn is listed at 6 - 2 and 302. Thats light. Hes moving from Guard to LT and a report that I read stated he struggled some on the edge.

Dante said that Brown weighs 380. He must be the heaviest LT in the league.

 

[DaBruinz]

Thank you Dr Doolittle for your expert medical opinion.

Reggie Lewis found a Doctor to clear him. There were lawyers and lawsuits back then just like there is today. But, youre probably a lawyer too, so you already know.

Typical moronic comment from you, Triumph.
HUGE difference between 30 years ago and now in regards to doctors being held accountable for players health because of quacks like the one who OKed for Reggie Lewis to play.. Of course, you also forget that Lewis didn't stop using Coke.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wynn is listed at 6 - 2 and 302. Thats light. Hes moving from Guard to LT and a report that I read stated he struggled some on the edge.

Dante said that Brown weighs 380. He must be the heaviest LT in the league.

Isaiah Wynn is listed at 6'2 6/8 and 313lbs. That's what his Combine weight was. Not sure where you got 302..

Wynn played LT in HS and again as a Senior in College. Every LT struggles some on the edge at times. Be in Matt Light, Bruce Armstrong, Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden or Peter Boulware.

I'm curious where you saw that Scarnecchia claimed that Brown was 380. Care to offer a link?

 

[BelichickFan]

I'm curious where you saw that Scarnecchia claimed that Brown was 380. Care to offer a link?

It was in Reiss' notes today and noted in various places last week :

One leftover from an entertaining Friday media session with veteran Patriots offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia: He’s never coached an offensive lineman as big as 6-foot-8 Trent Brown, whom he said weighs 380 pounds. Brown was listed at 355 on the 49ers’ roster last season, although rosters are seldom updated when a player's weight fluctuates. One recent example of that in New England was with defensive tackle Alan Branch.

Patriots coaches share life lessons learned from their mothers

 

[RayClay]

It was in Reiss' notes today and noted in various places last week :



Patriots coaches share life lessons learned from their mothers

Well, there goes the mystery of how we got him so cheap. Many of our best big men have struggled with weight,Wilfork, Branch, Woody[still a force, though he couldn't snap]. The guy's young, and if he buys in and keeps to his weight incentives we might have a real bargain. Like they say, you can't coach that size and athletic ability.

 

[supafly]

Well, there goes the mystery of how we got him so cheap.

A 3rd round draft pick is “cheap?”

Not sure about the “mystery,” but his (positive) body of work consists of one full NFL season where he made it as a 7th round draft pick in 2016, and a comment from Von Miller about how he’s got a promising future due to size and arm length, which occurred after a joint practice. Miller went on to say that he’s probably the best RT that he’s faced and that he’s got the potential to be a top 5 tackle, overall. That said, Von Miller has also gone on record many times praising the talent of Brock Osweiler and Paxton Lynch, so I’m not sure why any of us actually give a damn about his evaluations.

It was widely reported that the 49’ers were unhappy with his weight management issues and he’s coming off a season where he was placed on IR due to a shoulder injury that he’s still recovering from. The 49’ers were in a pretty good situation, cap wise, when they made the decision to trade him, so obviously they don’t agree with the talent assessment here, or felt that a 3rd rounder was too good to pass up. Either way, I’m not as sure as you are that he was cheap.

Fingers crossed that he heals up and competes well in TC. He’s got some nice size to him.

 

[maust]

A 3rd round draft pick is “cheap?”

FWIW the Pats did not trade a 3rd for Brown. They traded their late 3rd (95) for Brown and a high 5th (143) so the real cost was dropping 48 draft spots. The misconception that they traded a 3rd straight up for Brown has just been repeated so much in such a short time that it's become accepted as fact.