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I called this my binkie.
Screw the posters here who called me dumb for recommending him.

I didnt quite understand why they were making fun when you suggested Hill. He is nothing special but is bigger than anybody we have right now. At the right price he could be a nice addition. Then let the RBs battle it out over camp.
 
Well, he'll always be remembered with such fondness here in New England due to his missed tackle on Agholor on a key third and long in the Super Bowl.

Good freakin riddance....

Yes, lets remember a player for one missed play instead of every other ****ing play he made that year. He was a good CB stand-in while Gilmore was out with his concussion and played very well on ST. And to even trigger you a bit more.. he was among the best tacklers on the team.
 
I didnt quite understand why they were making fun when you suggested Hill. He is nothing special but is bigger than anybody we have right now. At the right price he could be a nice addition. Then let the RBs battle it out over camp.
I would still like to add a young, cheap RB in the draft no matter what happens. It’s interesting that Hill is going so far under the radar since he had a few acceptable/good seasons. I’m guessing that’s due to his poor year in ‘17 which was affected by his ankle injury.
 
I would still like to add a young, cheap RB in the draft no matter what happens. It’s interesting that Hill is going so far under the radar since he had a few acceptable/good seasons. I’m guessing that’s due to his poor year in ‘17 which was affected by his ankle injury.

This draft is stacked with RBs that can pass protect into day 3. There is no way we are not adding one at some point around the end of the draft. Since the only realistic way to hang around would be the PS I dont really think it would happen too early..
 
This draft is stacked with RBs that can pass protect into day 3. There is no way we are not adding one at some point around the end of the draft. Since the only realistic way to hang around would be the PS I dont really think it would happen too early..
I don’t know if that’s necessarily the only way to hang around. Last year: Gilleslee, Lewis, Burkhead, White, Bolden, Devlin (6)

We could easily see a battle between Gilleslee and the rookie, if Gilleslee doesn’t end up as a TC cut no matter what. He’s far from a lock. The same could even be said for a hypothetical Hill signing.

Locks so far: Devlin, White, Burkhead, probably Bolden (3-4)

Depth/competition: Gilleslee, rookie, Hill or another vet signing
 
I don’t know if that’s necessarily the only way to hang around. Last year: Gilleslee, Lewis, Burkhead, White, Bolden, Devlin (6)

We could easily see a battle between Gilleslee and the rookie, if Gilleslee doesn’t end up as a TC cut no matter what. He’s far from a lock. The same could even be said for a hypothetical Hill signing.

Locks so far: Devlin, White, Burkhead, probably Bolden (3-4)

Depth/competition: Gilleslee, rookie, Hill or another vet signing

You said it yourself.. there are really only 3-4 slots for RBs on the team. Devlin is a lock as FB and Bolden punches his ticket via the ST.

White and Burkhead are roster locks. And the rest (Gillislee & whoever that might be) will fight for the other 1-2 slots. I generally go with the assumption that before knowing anything it is more realistic that veterans will beat out (day 3/UDFA) rookies in camp.

Once we are past OTAs that picture will be reset anyway.
 
You said it yourself.. there are really only 3-4 slots for RBs on the team. Devlin is a lock as FB and Bolden punches his ticket via the ST.

White and Burkhead are roster locks. And the rest (Gillislee & whoever that might be) will fight for the other 1-2 slots. I generally go with the assumption that before knowing anything it is more realistic that veterans will beat out (day 3/UDFA) rookies in camp.

Once we are past OTAs that picture will be reset anyway.
I’m just saying that it’s quite possible that there are only 2 spots available for 3 guys battling (Gilleslee, Hill/vet, and a rookie).

I don’t necessarily think that RB would only be addressed on day three/UDFA like you do, but even if that was the case, we’ve seen guys like that beat out vets all of the time. Put it this way—when was the last time you saw someone (non-ST player) as a healthy scratch for the majority of the year see a significant role the next year? I’m sure there are cases that I’m not thinking of, but I think Gilleslee is 50/50 at best, and the odds of a vet could be similar depending on the specifics of the pact, of course.

Bottom line: I’m fully expecting a rookie RB on the 53 man roster this year, but you may be right and maybe they do it your way in order to try and stash a PS player. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did both. Burkhead and White are the only 2 constants we have signed past 2018 (who are actual RBs).
 
I will not respond to the roster speculation because we are into the first weekend after FA opened, the draft has not even happened yet so we dont know anything of the 2018 roster yet. But as with every position.. until the players actually step on the (practice) field I will always give the advantage to the ones with more experience over day 3 / UDFA players.

Put it this way—when was the last time you saw someone (non-ST player) as a healthy scratch for the majority of the year see a significant role the next year? I’m sure there are cases that I’m not thinking of, but I think Gilleslee is 50/50 at best, and the odds of a vet could be similar depending on the specifics of the pact, of course.

I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it actually was. Not that I particularly care about Gillislee. So if they upgrade on him it works for me.. if they dont.. whatever.. I dont think he was particularly bad as a powerback last year either.
 


What a payment. He did not even have a good warm up in San Fran and got 28 mln. for a start.
 
I don’t know if that’s necessarily the only way to hang around. Last year: Gilleslee, Lewis, Burkhead, White, Bolden, Devlin (6)

We could easily see a battle between Gilleslee and the rookie, if Gilleslee doesn’t end up as a TC cut no matter what. He’s far from a lock. The same could even be said for a hypothetical Hill signing.

Locks so far: Devlin, White, Burkhead, probably Bolden (3-4)

Depth/competition: Gilleslee, rookie, Hill or another vet signing


They might carry only 4 + Dev this year on 53 on account of extra QB. Then again they did carry D.J. Foster as an UDFA despite 3 QBs..

This is the longest stretch they didn't draft RB since BB is here (last time they passed for 3 consecutive years they drafted 2 high) . but it is so hard to economically justify drafting RB esp. for NE O if you can have a very solid and versatile 4-man committee + backup/insurance for less than 10M..
 
The Bills have a standing offer to Preston Brown.
This is one player I wish we would steal.
Helps us greatly and hurts a divison opponent.
 
Yes, lets remember a player for one missed play instead of every other ****ing play he made that year. He was a good CB stand-in while Gilmore was out with his concussion and played very well on ST. And to even trigger you a bit more.. he was among the best tacklers on the team.
I don’t care if Bademosi set the single game interception record in the regular season twelve times, he choked on the grandest stage of them all and was a contributor to a Super Bowl loss. He can be the greatest tackler known to mankind, yet he whiffed in embarrassing fashion on one of the most important downs of the most important game.

The only person triggered here seems to be you, since your vehemently defending some JAG special teamer who should’ve never been playing those important snaps in the first place, if not other than poor coaching.
 
The Bills have a standing offer to Preston Brown.
This is one player I wish we would steal.
Helps us greatly and hurts a divison opponent.


I don't think its realistic to expect Pats bringing in another LB on 8M apy salary/hit after having invested 8.5M in HT and 3.6M cap hit in KVN even if they move on from McC (3.2M). Casillas or M.Flowers (or both at some 2-3M apy/1.5M 2018 cap hit) would be good news . and then Draft..
 
I’m just saying that it’s quite possible that there are only 2 spots available for 3 guys battling (Gilleslee, Hill/vet, and a rookie).

I don’t necessarily think that RB would only be addressed on day three/UDFA like you do, but even if that was the case, we’ve seen guys like that beat out vets all of the time. Put it this way—when was the last time you saw someone (non-ST player) as a healthy scratch for the majority of the year see a significant role the next year? I’m sure there are cases that I’m not thinking of, but I think Gilleslee is 50/50 at best, and the odds of a vet could be similar depending on the specifics of the pact, of course.

Bottom line: I’m fully expecting a rookie RB on the 53 man roster this year, but you may be right and maybe they do it your way in order to try and stash a PS player. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did both. Burkhead and White are the only 2 constants we have signed past 2018 (who are actual RBs).

I agree with @luuked that Bolden and Develin aren't a part of the "RB count" on the roster.
-- Bolden is, first and foremost, a special teamer who just happens to be a decent, dire-emergency RB reserve, too.
-- Develin is also a core member of the KR and PR blocking units, and, as a blocking FB, he's nearly certain to be on the roster regardless how many "live" RBs the Pats carry for the RBBC, or who they are. Also, since Solder has been lost, I think there's a better chance that "extra blocker" types like Develin (and Allen) will stick almost regardless because the new LT, whoever that may be out of the choices at hand, is likely to need the help.

So, we're really talking about 3-4 spots for "live" members of the RBBC. Whether that ends up being 3 or 4 doesn't necessarily depend solely on WHO they are and/or what different traits they may have, but may also depend on how many QBs and OL the Pats may want/need to carry in 2018. It seems likely that the Pats will acquire a rookie QB this draft and carry 3 instead of 2. Given the OT situation, they may also elect to carry 9 OL instead of 8. Both of these increases would, perforce, affect the roster counts at other positions, possibly including RB (or WR).

It seems that, for now, the Pats are still shooting for a 4-man RBBC (given that they're "interviewing" Hill and Woodhead). They have, IMHO, a good base with three solid contributors (Burkhead/White/Gillislee) who have NFL experience as well as at least a year's experience in the Pats offensive system.

While Gillislee's versatility seems relatively limited (so far), and while he certainly wasn't, in 2017, the dynamic runner that most fans expected (this could change in 2018), he's really not significantly more expensive than a mid-round rookie would be and his NFL/Pats-system experience may be worth the (+/- $1.5M) premium to BB.

If the Pats end up with 4 "live" RBs, Gillislle is certainly not a poor choice for the bench-depth guy who'll be inactive most weeks that there isn't an injury to one of the other three ... and that's assuming that (A) the Pats carry 4 "live" RBs, and (B) that the Gillislee isn't "promoted" to the active-3, with the new guy becoming the inactive bench-reserve in a 4-man committee. Anyway, it seems to me that an inexperienced rookie would need to be something pretty special to knock Gillislee off the roster entirely at this point. Could happen, but I wouldn't count on it.

WRT to Jeremy Hill - I'd be surprised if they sign him if his 2018 cap hit will exceed $2.5M. Given his 2017 performance, he might agree to stay under that on a 2-3 year deal. Woodhead, if the Pats consider him still capable, certainly fits the versatility profile and seems likely to sign for the veteran minimum. There are likely to be other potential NFL-experienced candidates out there (e.g., Zach Zenner - whose cost would likely be close to late-round draftee level), and - with three capable RBs now under contract, the Pats can afford to take their time sifting through the candidates and making a decision at this point.
 
I don’t care if Bademosi set the single game interception record in the regular season twelve times, he choked on the grandest stage of them all and was a contributor to a Super Bowl loss. He can be the greatest tackler known to mankind, yet he whiffed in embarrassing fashion on one of the most important downs of the most important game.

The only person triggered here seems to be you, since your vehemently defending some JAG special teamer who should’ve never been playing those important snaps in the first place, if not other than poor coaching.


So hard to deal with perfect people. Goodbye and good luck.
 
So hard to deal with perfect people. Goodbye and good luck.
This is New England. We don’t give out high fives for choking on a big stage, but performing well in the regular season.

If you like doing that, go root for Peyton Manning.

I’ve wasted quite enough of my time now talking about Johnson freakin Bademosi.
 
I don’t care if Bademosi set the single game interception record in the regular season twelve times, he choked on the grandest stage of them all and was a contributor to a Super Bowl loss. He can be the greatest tackler known to mankind, yet he whiffed in embarrassing fashion on one of the most important downs of the most important game.

The only person triggered here seems to be you, since your vehemently defending some JAG special teamer who should’ve never been playing those important snaps in the first place, if not other than poor coaching.

I dont care if Tom Brady set any regular season records and won the MVP, he chocked on the grandest stage of them all and was a contributor to a Super Bowl loss. He can be the greatest quarterback known to mankind, yet he whiffed in embarrasing fashion on of the most important downs of the most important game.

You can insert any name into this sentence and it will be true. There was not a single player on this team that did not screw up at some point during this game.

Where was Malcom Brown and his first round pedigree in this most important game ? Where was Trey Flowers apart from being always a step late on his "rushes" ? KVN ? Lawrence Guy ? Dietrich Wise ? Eric Lee ? Where they all with that fat **** of a DL at the food court ?

But instead lets just bash special teamers who got into the game for a few snaps and dare to miss one tackle.

And please either shut up or respond in a reasonable manner instead of making this about the clearly overdramatic use of Brady in the initial example. Point being is that you cant judge players by single mistake. Clearly Brady played a great game and still the strip sack was even more impactful than the missed tackle. Similarly, Brown didnt make any as obvious errors as Bademosi or Brady and, yet, with his ineffectiveness on almost every snap contributed more to a loss than any of the two.
 
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